Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Splitpersonality]

Chaotix is indeed dead.

[woad&fangs]

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)

[FactionHeir]

Ninjas have 2 kills each night so far, so it wouldn't have made much sense for them to go after the real pever and a fake pever with their intention (as per end comment). SK may have killed the actual pever for other reasons possibly - and maybe have expected the ninjas to kill the fake ones, without knowing them.

Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.

[LittleGrizzly]

GH and Sasaki are my top suspects.

Off the top of my head... based on being very experienced players TinCow could probably go on that list as well..

Beefy i did kind of follow you line of though on the pever's, thats why i voted YLC, and the other living pever is Rythfelwyr (horribly misspelled)

Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.

Well in Midgaard there were three of us mafia but we only had 2 kills a night... of course the other option is a defender for the master ninja or some kind of detective ninja...

FH i get what your saying but there was a risk of overlap...

[LittleGrizzly]

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)

Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)

I have taken this one out as Beefy challenged GH but didn't vote for him...

[TinCow]

Gut instinct is a great reason for voting someone and the foundation of the game.

I completely agree, which is why I haven't put up much of a protest on that point. If all the votes against me were "gut instinct" I'd respond with a and do my best to survive in other ways. However, your vote was the only true gut instinct vote. The rest all then tried to manufacture relatively flimsy excuses for their votes. That is, ironically, far weaker than just clocking it up instinct and leaving it at that. Needless to say, being confronted with growing bandwagon that included a "URL avatar" vote made me .

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well now that you mention it...your avatar is an assassin...

[ULC]

Bring in whatever you want, I'm putting out the only useful evidence I see so far. As I previously said, I thought it would be useful at a later date to figure out exactly which kills were committed by which killers. That's been the objective of my write-up analysis so far. I see nothing remotely incriminating in the write-ups at all, so this is the extent of their usefulness in my mind. If you think I'm being unhelpful and leading us nowhere, then you presumably see something else useful in the write-ups that I am not discussing. If so, please enlighten us. If not, why aren't you also going after other people who have done the exact same thing, such as FactionHeir? Why are you singling me out?

I apologize if you don't think I've produced anything useful so far, but I'm doing my best to pull something solid out of the extremely limited evidence that has been presented to us. I am not the Oracle, I'm not psychic, and I don't know the location of the Holy Grail. You'll have to forgive me if I don't manage to ID a mafioso for you in the second round of the game.

Why, specifically, are you leaving out segments of my quotes? Any reason besides it leaves out clarification on your previous statements, and thus making the subject narrower and easier to handle?

I'll look at other suspects as well, but your here to be questioned and are always willing to answer.

So lets start -

Post 483

An attempt to analyze the write up - no issue here, normal townie behavior, even though you admit there is nothing to go on - Andres doesn't usually give ANY clues, if at all however.

Post 504

Again, another attempt to analyze the write up, yet your analysis contains faulty logic - your quick to assume and assign rational to Ichigo's vote, yet, if what you said is true, then it would, you know, make sense that Ichigo would either A) not make his case so early, and bide his time to find another, or B) bring his case forward to get the mafioso lynched - available doctors can then protect him.

If you make the argument that Ichigo would not play it that way because he likes to be random, then you can't assign any logic to his vote, since why he did is "random". You were looking for a way to make an easy case against someone and place a vote, even if the case was upon shaky ground, at best.

Post 566

Your previous attempt is foiled! AMG!! Because traitors and ninjas are not aligned? Wasn't this common knowledge? It was shown that the traitors were not only new to the game, but also independent of the ninjas in motivation. Your analysis was originally based on the assumption as well that the Ninja and Samurai operated as two separate entities. Hmmm...

Post 586

The main reason was that your case against GH was flawed initially - no one was going to follow it when it was based on a false assumption. But why jump on Sigurd specifically? I don't see a reason that would have negated you from not jumping on the "stupidly large bandwagon".

Post 596

You attempt to explain your reasoning for voting for Sigurd. It's fine as is, but 3 is a pressure vote? Not usually, that's more like it's under serious consideration by a few people. And Yaropolk was the only option? In a game with only half the people posting? They aren't lurking at all? No, but Sigurd is a strong player, and a good one at analyzing behavioral patterns. He is also known for being less active once killed off when not having a role, rather convenient, especially if he really is just to busy to come and post.

Post 601

You assert dueling hurts the town - no issue here, it's your personal opinion, nothing more, and it has a fair chance of being right.

Post 609

Asking for duel scores - can whatever they tell you be considered truthful? Won't trying to analyze what they tell and whether or not they are lying lead to WIFOM? How is this actually helpful, except to eliminate a target for the mafioso?

Post 615

Wow we move fast - first none productive and bordering on self-destructive, it can now be used to find mafioso! But wait, isn't that the opposite of what you asserted before?

Post 781

Pointless post made about eliminating players who annoy you because they changed their username. This one just simply smells scummy to me, and I can't quite articulate why.

Post 789

Whoops, dueling is bad again. You won't actively discourage it though, or create a process to control it. Hmmm.....

Post 806

You acting as if you had not read the write up, when, to assert that a large portion of the "pevers" were already dead, you'd have to read the write up. Your making a statement that you could have paired with Post 781, it would have been obvious had you checked the alive or dead list, and your running over something you asserted earlier and should be obvious - the ninjas are working together.

This whole thing feels sloppy and/or scummy. Also, anyone having pad attention will notice the groupings by which hour the kills take place, so this was, essentially, a null point your trying to make - your being idle while looking helpful, just as you were with the dueling, just like the round when Stephen was under pressure.

Post 817

First you state that Andres prioritizes them in such a way so that all night actions happen each night, which is technically impossible since in gaming terms mafia actions have a higher priority then non-mafia actions for ability resolution. But I digress - you quickly switch to the assertion that each is then order from top to bottom in chronological order. But if this is true, then that breaks the prioritization based on getting in all abilities - each hour set is dominated by one faction, not broken up so all act individually - there is to much consistency on how the kills are managed for it not to be a "Ninja's kill first, Traitors/SK's kill second".

And as the votes for me being a surviving Pever - your argument can be turned upon it's head and be stated that it was done to MAKE me a target. Indeed, by renaming myself "PeverYellow" to have some fun, I unwittingly made myself a target. And ask Pevergreen himself, I volunteered, that was all - I recruited no one, and was recruited by Pevergreen himself. And if I has used it to make it make me less suspicious, then I would end up only being made looking suspicious and attempting to use WIFOM - better kill him instead. Either case results in me becoming lynched.

I'd FoS you but that includes Reenk, and Reenk is at least being logical in following his "master", even if the reasoning is faulty.

[ULC]

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)

Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)

I have taken this one out as Beefy challenged GH but didn't vote for him...

Your missing El Daiblo's Challenge of me and my Challenge of TinCow, and White Eyes as well

[LittleGrizzly]

You can FoS me without including Reenk... and if i do get lynched Reenk is a free samurai... or only in the service of Lord Takeda anyway...

And as an instruction to my Loyal Samurai if someone votes for me and i vote them back (whether i claim its a perfectly good lynch or not) you are to choose your own suspect...

Look it is a big bluff and i used one (with the help of TC) to win as mafia in Midgaard... if you can pull of the bluff it becomes your best friend... that being said it is quite early to pull such a bluff... but this probably was the only time you could pull off this bluff...

hmm going in circles... ill have a look at your case against TC...

[LittleGrizzly]

I wasn't going for a challenge list but correcting the tally... but ok...

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)


Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC

You did mean WE challenged TC right ?

Edit: and for the life of me i cant find the post im looking for... noticed that we challenged you though..

[ULC]

You can FoS me without including Reenk... and if i do get lynched Reenk is a free samurai... or only in the service of Lord Takeda anyway...

And as an instruction to my Loyal Samurai if someone votes for me and i vote them back (whether i claim its a perfectly good lynch or not) you are to choose your own suspect...

Look it is a big bluff and i used one (with the help of TC) to win as mafia in Midgard... if you can pull of the bluff it becomes your best friend... that being said it is quite early to pull such a bluff... but this probably was the only time you could pull off this bluff...

hmm going in circles... ill have a look at your case against TC...

Like I said, it creates WIFOM. WIFOM brings one out into the lime light and makes you more susceptible to being lynched simply because you are a conundrum. The town as a whole must be convinced enough to dismiss it as a whole, otherwise it will be brought back. It's simply to risky, because your then the "next best lynch otherwise". We have 49 remaining players in the game, even with the dueling, that's still 7-8 rounds left in the game, assuming kill level remain consistent.

[ULC]

I wasn't going for a challenge list but correcting the tally... but ok...

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)


Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs TC

You did mean WE challenged TC right ?

No, WE challenged me.

I have a 75% challenge of fighting someone tomorrow, and, because of randomization, a 50% chance of surviving that. By doing so, I open myself up further to be investigated based upon the duel.

So are the votes upon me doing any good?

[Beskar]

I have to comment, YLC did a good argument. Well done on that, sincerely.

It makes me suspect TinCow, on top of three others I suspect (mafia-role) and I think of I know two town roles (not going to say names so they don't get targeted). Unfortunately, saying names again makes me a target, or am I bluffing?

I will Vote: Stephen Asen for now, but I might change to break a tie breaker if I suspect one of them to be a mafia and the other, not. I highly suspect him being Traitor role.

[TinCow]

I'll look at other suspects as well, but your here to be questioned and are always willing to answer.

That's a long post, and I'm off to bed at the moment. I will respond tomorrow morning.

[LittleGrizzly]

Well your vote did seem like bandwagoning but i though it was a little fleshed out... (and after searching for ages) i found out it was like a 3 line post with a vote and a challenge. And with the challenge it does seem too risky. Without the challenge (which i couldn't remember) you weren't really putting yourself out there too much

Combined with the fact i confused your first post with maybe a later post..

Unvote

Funnily enough i did kind of get an uneasy feeling about TinCow but i don't see why he would put himself out there when im sure he could have easily blended in with some roleplaying or something...

tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 3- (El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)


Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC

[ULC]

Well your vote did seem like bandwagoning but i though it was a little fleshed out... (and after searching for ages) i found out it was like a 3 line post with a vote and a challenge. And with the challenge it does seem too risky. Without the challenge (which i couldn't remember) you weren't really putting yourself out there too much

Combined with the fact i confused your first post with maybe a later post..

Unvote

Funnily enough i did kind of get an uneasy feeling about TinCow but i don't see why he would put himself out there when im sure he could have easily blended in with some roleplaying or something...

Not TC's style, it would be picked out and questioned. Also, it's easier to blend in as a helpful townie then it is to roleplay or Lurk - Lurk, and no one sees you and your absence is noted, point incase - Sigurd. Roleplay, and your noted for it, point in case - Gregoshi. TC is to high profile and to well known for either.

[Csargo]

No, WE challenged me.

I have a 75% challenge of fighting someone tomorrow, and, because of randomization, a 50% chance of surviving that. By doing so, I open myself up further to be investigated based upon the duel.

So are the votes upon me doing any good?

Vote:YLC

Scum

[ULC]

Vote:YLC

Scum

I am Sanada Yukimura - I fear no man nor death. I am also historically accurate

[GeneralHankerchief]

I challenged Rhyfelwyr and YLC as well, although I believe only the Rhyfelwyr one counts.

[ULC]

I challenged Rhyfelwyr and YLC as well, although I believe only the Rhyfelwyr one counts.

I believe you can only make one challenge, correct me if I am wrong. Since you made your against Rhyfelwyr first, the one you made against me would not count then.

[Beefy187]

I am Sanada Yukimura - I fear no man nor death. I am also historically accurate

Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas)

Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.

Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.

[Beskar]

Fatality:

YLC 5 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Ichigo

TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar

Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar

Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief

Abstain 1 Caius, taka



Mortal Kombat:

GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally is off. Doesn't have my vote for Beefy nor my (valid) challenge for Rhyfelwyr.

[Beskar]

Some one didn't do the tally right at all then. I will make sure it is fully correct now.

[ULC]

Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas)

Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be surprised if our enemies received their role with real names.

Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.

Um, what o.O? I;m the host? If I am the host, then I can't be lynched...plus -

Sanada Saemon-no-Suke Yukimura (真田 左衛門佐　幸村 ,Sanada Yukimura?, 1567–June 3, 1615) was a Japanese samurai, second son of the Sengoku period daimyo Sanada Masayuki (1544-1611). His proper name was Sanada Nobushige (真田信繁), named after Takeda Shingen's younger brother Takeda Nobushige （武田信繁), who was a brave and respected warrior. Sanada Yukimura was called "A Hero who may appear once in hundred years" and "crimson demon of war", and Shimazu Tadatsune (島津忠恒, arguably the best performer in the invasion of Korea) called him the "number one warrior in Japan." ("日本一の兵", 兵 means soldier originally, but here it is read as "tsuwamono" which means samurai or warrior, so it is not appropriate to translate it as soldier.)

I was utterly loyal to Takeda Shingen, as is my father, Sanada Masayuki.

Links to Sanada Yukimura and Sanada Masayuki

The relation to the game is utter fallacy - your just coming up with an excuse to vote for me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas)

Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.

Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.

So...you think andres gave ylc (who you say is the ninja master) a name from a playstation II game and didn't tell him that if he posted it in the thread he would be revealed? Or maybe they were randomly generated like he said they were...

[Beefy187]

Um, what o.O? I;m the host? If I am the host, then I can't be lynched...plus -

Sanada Saemon-no-Suke Yukimura (真田 左衛門佐　幸村 ,Sanada Yukimura?, 1567–June 3, 1615) was a Japanese samurai, second son of the Sengoku period daimyo Sanada Masayuki (1544-1611). His proper name was Sanada Nobushige (真田信繁), named after Takeda Shingen's younger brother Takeda Nobushige （武田信繁), who was a brave and respected warrior. Sanada Yukimura was called "A Hero who may appear once in hundred years" and "crimson demon of war", and Shimazu Tadatsune (島津忠恒, arguably the best performer in the invasion of Korea) called him the "number one warrior in Japan." ("日本一の兵", 兵 means soldier originally, but here it is read as "tsuwamono" which means samurai or warrior, so it is not appropriate to translate it as soldier.)

I was utterly loyal to Takeda Shingen, as is my father, Sanada Masayuki.

Links to Sanada Yukimura and Sanada Masayuki

The relation to the game is utter fallacy - your just coming up with an excuse to vote for me.

Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"

Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents

[Beefy187]

So...you think andres gave ylc (who you say is the ninja master) a name from a playstation II game and didn't tell him that if he posted it in the thread he would be revealed? Or maybe they were randomly generated like he said they were...

Kessens based on Sengoku Jidai. So most of the characters did exist.

I wasn't really sure about the character setting thats all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"

Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents

I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.

Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.

Really now