04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

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Originally Posted by ladd

so why did you not care to see why people were wolf reading bart and pzelda?

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Sry, missed this

I had read enough to get the general idea of why they were being scumread but I guess I just hadn't found any of it compelling enough.

how many bads are we probably looking at in a game this size? insaner keeps talking like there's only 1 left but that seems like not many. we usually have 9 good/3 bad in our games

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Originally Posted by merl1n

how many bads are we probably looking at in a game this size? insaner keeps talking like there's only 1 left but that seems like not many. we usually have 9 good/3 bad in our games

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There are usually 4 wolves in a 17er. I was assuming Egix was a wolf and I was talking about his remaining partner, but I am now beginning to doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

There are usually 4 wolves in a 17er. I was assuming Egix was a wolf and I was talking about his remaining partner, but I am now beginning to doubt it.

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i could have sworn you said something about egix being the last, but it was a bleary eyed read through of stuff i missed overnight on my phone. ill chalk it up to misreading/misunderstanding, ok thx

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Originally Posted by Insaner

I think it's probably just Egix tbh.

Was gonna ask what Choxo did in order to remove himself from exactly rand category but they just claimed tracker.

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was this post i think my brain added a left in there somewhere

it feels awfully convienent that the 2 ppl i was suspecting are semiclearing each other with the track to someone going nowhere. they probably arent bad together tho, espec with choxorn saying it doesnt clear egix

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Originally Posted by Insaner

I guess it isn't the fact that GH is giving Egix the benefit of the doubt itself but rather the contrast between how he started today ("Egix is always the lynch") and the sudden loss of conviction that is putting me off so much. Egix didn't make any towny posts in that time and GH didn't come up with any new suspects either so I don't understand where this change of heart is coming from.

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Where are you seeing a loss of conviction? Am I just completely missing something here?

PART I

Prefatory statement: Have fun with your towncore guys but I've learned from painful experience that you shouldn't take them too rigidly or extensive. Many a successful town has been felled by complacency out of the early game. GH for one knows this well. Giving people until F3 never works because there's inevitably too much disruption in the meantime. I'm still lock town though. And I still have to produce wagonomics.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm about to go to bed, and while obviously we still have a long while to go before the day ends, I'd much rather prefer an Egix lynch here over a Choxorn one (or one for anybody else, but this post is talking about Choxorn specifically). This is partly because I think Egix has straight-up been scummier than Chox, partly because of various nightkill-related musings I've had that I'll share if I deem the time to be right. Somebody ping me about this tomorrow or Monday in case I forget to elaborate on it.

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I don't know if you've done this yet, but I ping.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

I don't think I can really defend how crappy I was yesterday- I'm busy IRL a lot and don't always pay enough attention and that turns into me being way too inactive.

Current thoughts: Zack is lock town, merl1n, Insaner, ladd, GH, and Fable are all likely town, lots of the thread looks somewhere between town and scum to me. Looks like lots of folks wanna lynch either me or Egix today based on how we acted yesterday, and I also thought he was suspicious yesterday- but I also tracked him doing nothing last night, which is far from clearing but is certainly a point in his favor.

Really need to read things a bit more to get a stronger idea of who's scummy, I'll get to that later but for now I need to go eat dinner.

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Now, I'm not saying we should lynch Choxorn today but his unnecessary and jarring tracker claim makes me think the following, if you could hear my thoughts as I was stylistically representing myself reading them to you:

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KILL CHOXORN

KILL HIM WITH FIRE

HE'S A MAFIA TRACKER

HE'S GONNA GO DEEP FOR GOD's SAKE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING

If he goes deep we're all dead

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0. Tracker is almost as mafiatized a role as roleblocker.
1. There was no reason for Choxorn to make that claim in this gamestate.
2. Despite a tracker claim there's little reason to expect town-Chox to resolve by nightkill because, if he were town Mafia would have many other plausible targets - whom Choxorn could point to to excuse his own survival as scum-Chox.
3. Any Town PRs out there, blocking or investigative or whatever, get on Chox's rear tonight.

Choxorn is one of those players who can go deep UTR when his partners have been demolished. If only Renata were here.

But I'll let it slide today. Not tomorrow or any day after, but today - not you.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

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4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius,)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)


Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo

This seems correct?

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From 1.5 hour before EOD.

VERY INTERESTING

I am lock town my dudes

Love it when I'm lock town.

Vote: Cuth

PART II

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Well since it looks like Egix has given up I suppose there's no use holding this back now. What I was gonna say is I think that Cuth is the last wolf based on the following quotes:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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GH, Zack, and others should tell me if I'm right to notice that Cuth is more passive-aggressive lately. Is that real or is my meta busted?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

lol

you don't say

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This post sounds like caught scum.

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Originally Posted by ladd

also for post game credit, I had empoof as a PR

that's the thign that kinda makes me fear this game maybe not be super easy as we are thinking since after that EoD I feel empoof would be the nk only if choxorn is a wolf or if wolves are paying attention and PR read him as well

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Can you explain what you mean? What does an Empoof NK have to do with Chox specifically being mafia?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

I'm also chuckling at insaner's God read of capage now being correct 3 out of 4 games, which is literally just rand lol

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How is 3/4 rand?

So, wanna get Choxorn, or not yet?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Also let's take a moment to acknowledge that I had the sickest soul read of all time

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Renata soul read on Choxorn Representative Democracy - and then she and Cass nabbed Barto soon after. :eyebrows:

But yeah, good job if you're town.

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Originally Posted by ladd

any ORGer has tips to read csargo?

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Read the two mini games in 2018. In one he was scum, in the other he was town. My reads were switched though. There was also the Pokemon game in 2017 where (primarily) Zack nailed him for scum.

My career gut on him is probably ~rand in the end.

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

This post is so stupid :laugh4:

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I don't really get it, but why is it stupid? Is merlin your partner? :smash:

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Originally Posted by Insaner

I think merl1n wanting to hold me accountable for Capage flip shows he really had no clue he was going to flip wolf. His posting was super villagery even though his reads were very wrong by the looks of it. He's still in my top towns.

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Yes. Merlin is mislynch reach goals for mafia IMO.

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Originally Posted by Egix

Insaner was willing to vote you, and the general impression I was getting was that other Monty voters might be moving off him (e.g. on to Zelda/Bart)

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Who were the voters on me besides Zelda, Bart, and Cuth?

open ? for ppl

is ladd some1 with good reputation?

the way i see it we had 4 options yesterday by the end: pzelda, el barto, ladd, and choxorn. bads knew that el barto and pzelda were both bad, so its important to consider that when looking through what happened. why did pzelda and el barto end up as top 2 vote getters if there were other options? im good and i was pushing ladd. empoof was good and was pushing choxorn. but ppl didnt do either

i still dont understand how el barto or pzelda were correctly identified. ive read their posts KNOWING they are bad last night and it doesnt seem any different from some of the other players who werent posting much yesterday. i can accept maybe its the kind of thing where when u know someone rlly well u pick up on small things, i do that in irl games where some of my friends i can just know when they are bad because its small differences from when good

i think with choxorn and egix not both being bad we had to have had some1 voting for a bad who is also a bad and knew they were doomed. idk if i want to kill ppl who voted for bads yet though

Still reading up but pls don't listen to Monty on Chox lmao

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you elaborate on both of the bolded?

I know the first is kinda self explaining but I wanna know exactly how you felt about people on both wagons at that point and what made you switch like that

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4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)

most recent vote tally at the time

monty was trending up relatively heavily, i've been reading zack soundly villager all game, and i also thought empoof was town-- my only real hesitation there was gh wolf-reading him pretty strongly

didn't and still don't really have much of a personal opinion on ladd's alignment

at this point i was on board with the idea of el barto because, like i said (more or less), he typically has a certain fire that was, as zack pointed out, definitely lacking

also i think there's been a similar lynch in the past with me on the wrong side? something like that

i remember this being a Thing before

but the other option was just a completely disengaged village barto who'd been about the most talked about person this game, and that wouldn't be a terrible lynch either if it came to that

also while i was initially reading pzelda as villagery because his posting was too awkward, other people who actually knew him were saying otherwise so that was trending down

but i didn't have as much reason to go there or anywhere else, barto was the strongest wolfread i had apart from private tinfoils which were coming in and out of style throughout the phase

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)

most recent vote tally at the time

monty was trending up relatively heavily, i've been reading zack soundly villager all game, and i also thought empoof was town-- my only real hesitation there was gh wolf-reading him pretty strongly

didn't and still don't really have much of a personal opinion on ladd's alignment

at this point i was on board with the idea of el barto because, like i said (more or less), he typically has a certain fire that was, as zack pointed out, definitely lacking

also i think there's been a similar lynch in the past with me on the wrong side? something like that

i remember this being a Thing before

but the other option was just a completely disengaged village barto who'd been about the most talked about person this game, and that wouldn't be a terrible lynch either if it came to that

also while i was initially reading pzelda as villagery because his posting was too awkward, other people who actually knew him were saying otherwise so that was trending down

but i didn't have as much reason to go there or anywhere else, barto was the strongest wolfread i had apart from private tinfoils which were coming in and out of style throughout the phase

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where?

and why was monty trending up?

if you explained it yday, just say so and I can dig it up on my own

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

0. Tracker is almost as mafiatized a role as roleblocker.
1. There was no reason for Choxorn to make that claim in this gamestate.
2. Despite a tracker claim there's little reason to expect town-Chox to resolve by nightkill because, if he were town Mafia would have many other plausible targets - whom Choxorn could point to to excuse his own survival as scum-Chox.

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i read the opening rule thing after part of it got quoted to me d1, and it said powers are randomized, so my understanding is that any role can be good or bad. i dont understand why you think #1 here? everyone had him and egix as the two ppl that looked the worst, and he had clarifying information potentially on both ppl

#2 also seems wrong bc if hes not killed and we narrow it down to only 1 bad left he is incredibly strong as a role. so he either has to clear ppl as bad or bads have to kill him or risk getting caught

with regards to #3, investigative seems fine but not blocking??? he can either catch a bad if good or has to target in who we want him to target as bad and be accountable for target selection/result

tracker is the investigative role i play w/ the most in irl games bc no one likes cops. it's rlly weak early in game but rlly strong with most of the bads dead. i actually kind of think chox might be good for the claim bc as bad it means he never wins when making that claim and not dying

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Can you explain what you mean? What does an Empoof NK have to do with Chox specifically being mafia?

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empoof is a strong player, but in this game there are other strong players who are also villas

if chox is a villa, empoof didn't have the best EoD so it'd be weird to kill him over someone like zack or gh (who I personally thought was gonna get attacked tonight)

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Where are you seeing a loss of conviction? Am I just completely missing something here?

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In the post I quoted, lol.

vote: egix

also @ ladd, i'm not going to quote specific posts of mine because i don't think that's really going to help anything

is less a "i did this specific thing" than a "i'm playing outside of my typical wolf range" in a fair number of ways and i'm disappointed people like gh in particular aren't picking up on that where i'd expect them to than a "i'm objectively super villagery"

in particular: i'm terrible at motivating myself to play as a wolf unless there's good reason to

if the game looks quite winnable/i'm widely villageread OR i have wolfmates i know and trust

i can easily outpost my village self if i need to in terms of general wim, whether that's length or frequency or intensity

if none of that is the case, well

i typically post like a wet paper bag pretty quickly

granted, if there's a four-wolf team that's perhaps not the most compelling argument but it's very definitely a thing

furthermore

this is sort of a two-headed point

number one, i bussed in some unfortunate places many years ago and the reputation has managed to stick with me for a long time since i've renounced the practice in almost all cases

if i did so in this particular game i'd be setting myself up perfectly for loads of fun in that department

number two as such my wolf game is typically to try to outvillage the villagers, which i actually manage surprisingly frequently, and then convert, which i don't

but i typically go out of my way not to bus and to sort of poke the game in different directions

which, let's be honest, hasn't really happened this game

i've been pretty passive and not expecting anyone to listen to me or trying to make them, but not in a dejected sort of way like i've given up?

iunno

it's a thing

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Originally Posted by ladd

empoof is a strong player, but in this game there are other strong players who are also villas

if chox is a villa, empoof didn't have the best EoD so it'd be weird to kill him over someone like zack or gh (who I personally thought was gonna get attacked tonight)

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Zack said he was gonna be busy on N1. GH was somewhat wolfread by a few people and so were you to an even bigger extent. I think Empoof was the best NK from a purely lolspk standpoint.

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

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Originally Posted by ladd

where?

and why was monty trending up?

if you explained it yday, just say so and I can dig it up on my own

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gh's wall shortly beforehand

not like a top wolf read but

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Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

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monty was trending up because i didn't find anything objectionable about his posts after the initial one i took issue with and the homesiters were all saying he was rather villagery

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Who were the voters on me besides Zelda, Bart, and Cuth?

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Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

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Originally Posted by merl1n

i read the opening rule thing after part of it got quoted to me d1, and it said powers are randomized, so my understanding is that any role can be good or bad. i dont understand why you think #1 here? everyone had him and egix as the two ppl that looked the worst, and he had clarifying information potentially on both ppl

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It's very good timing if you're mafia.

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#2 also seems wrong bc if hes not killed and we narrow it down to only 1 bad left he is incredibly strong as a role. so he either has to clear ppl as bad or bads have to kill him or risk getting caught

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Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.

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with regards to #3, investigative seems fine but not blocking??? he can either catch a bad if good or has to target in who we want him to target as bad and be accountable for target selection/result

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Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?

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Originally Posted by merl1n

tracker is the investigative role i play w/ the most in irl games bc no one likes cops. it's rlly weak early in game but rlly strong with most of the bads dead. i actually kind of think chox might be good for the claim bc as bad it means he never wins when making that claim and not dying

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You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

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Originally Posted by Egix

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

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you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Still reading up but pls don't listen to Monty on Chox lmao

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Why not?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

if the game looks quite winnable/i'm widely villageread OR i have wolfmates i know and trust

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Like GH?

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Originally Posted by merl1n

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

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GH has a ~100% read on Logic afaik and he says he is a villager

I also don't really mind logic's posts anyway

i think general is good

he had a very different read on me than the rest of the game and i think bads are reluctant to go against grain like that. he also voted for barto, and then followed empoof onto choxorn, before going to pzelda, when he could have stayed on choxorn and had the accountability b on empoof

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Originally Posted by Egix

Why not?

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Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

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Originally Posted by Insaner

In the post I quoted, lol.

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I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I can see where Zack would make the comparison to my DS vote in the last game where I was mafia against him, but you're forgetting the part a little later on in the day where I independently iso'd Zelda, picked out a post that I found to be a bad look, and signed off on the lynch based on my own reading.

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This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

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alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

It's very good timing if you're mafia.



Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.



Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?



You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

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no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

vote: dyachei

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Like GH?

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eh, not if he peaced out entirely for the majority of the first day

but yes he fits that category more than most people in this game lol

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Originally Posted by ladd

you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

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Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

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Why? What if you, Zack, merlin, and GH are all town?

What happens if it's F3 with me, GH, and Choxorn? Who do I vote? Oops!

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Zack said he was gonna be busy on N1. GH was somewhat wolfread by a few people and so were you to an even bigger extent. I think Empoof was the best NK from a purely lolspk standpoint.

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What is lolspk?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.

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Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

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Originally Posted by ladd

alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

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if i remember correctly, i was figuring the lynch would clear some things up there

because there was likely to be at least a little contrast between the viewpoints of the thread

as it is that happened and gh swung more towards the center of consensus

which i think is fairly resolving for that thread

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Originally Posted by merl1n

no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

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I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

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All right all right keep your shirt on

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Why? What if you, Zack, merlin, and GH are all town?

What happens if it's F3 with me, GH, and Choxorn? Who do I vote? Oops!



What is lolspk?



Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

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You obviously vote Choxo if it gets this far WTH. The point is if he's town, he isn't supposed to get to F3.

Spk=strong player kill.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too. :shrug:

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i had bad reads on d1, but it doesnt mean i dont have a lot of exp playing with trackers in irl games and how to handle them. ur not considering that hes going to have a lot of night actions between now and a final 3 to either catch bads, not catch bads, or have to explain away not catching bads. i think ur concerned about something that is basically impossible to happen

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Originally Posted by Egix

Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

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this is villagery, I am liking your posts today a lot more :thumbsup:

can you link me a wolf game if possible?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

What is lolspk?

Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

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- SPK = Strong Player Kill. Lol is as in 'lolwilves' I can only presume.

- From your recollection, how towny did Logic appear to be in that game?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

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Yeah, it's difficult.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

reading el barto now and it seems pretty empty?

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can you explain this read, dya?

I don't think barto iso was empty at all

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Originally Posted by Insaner

You obviously vote Choxo if it gets this far WTH. The point is if he's town, he isn't supposed to get to F3.

Spk=strong player kill.

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I'm not giving GH the satisfaction of that classical victory! You're gonna get us killed, insaner.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

i had bad reads on d1, but it doesnt mean i dont have a lot of exp playing with trackers in irl games and how to handle them. ur not considering that hes going to have a lot of night actions between now and a final 3 to either catch bads, not catch bads, or have to explain away not catching bads. i think ur concerned about something that is basically impossible to happen

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Well, I've done what I can. Let's see how the chips fall.

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Originally Posted by Egix

- SPK = Strong Player Kill. Lol is as in 'lolwilves' I can only presume.

- From your recollection, how towny did Logic appear to be in that game?

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You can read the game, it's called Chess Mafia (full disclosure: I solo-scummed to victory). Pizza had some kind of soul read on Logic based on differences from the previous game's performance, something to do with passive-aggressiveness. He was annihilated, and GH and Zack sacrificed themselves trying to save him. Now apparently GH has taken over as the knower of Logic meta, and this game was two years ago, so I figure we can defer to his judgement. I would like to see Logic comment more though, especially now that he's only playing one game.

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you link me a wolf game if possible?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80920

My most recent one

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Originally Posted by Egix

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80920

My most recent one

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how did the cop get lynched day one

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I'm not giving GH the satisfaction of that classical victory! You're gonna get us killed, insaner.

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So you are going to mislynch our tracker earlier than that? I'm curious how that works out in your head, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

So you are going to mislynch our tracker earlier than that? I'm curious how that works out in your head, honestly.

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I said from tomorrow onward, bloods.

If only you understood how pro-town I'm being.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

how did the cop get lynched day one

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tl;dr he was quickhammered by another townie

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I said from tomorrow onward, bloods.

If only you understood how pro-town I'm being.

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We should join our forces and lynch GH today tbh.

Can't give him that satisfaction amirite

egix is a lot more serious and content heavy in this other game im reading pretty much immediately

well your wolf game isn't as bad as you are claiming it to be from a quick skim

sorry if I am asking you a barrage of questions (I am trying to decide if I want to stone wall your lynch), but why exactly do you have no read on me/zack/gh? and why ar eyou nto trying to get one?

for example you had me as scum yday and now today you are sheeping consensus on me without understaing the reasons, why?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

You can read the game, it's called Chess Mafia (full disclosure: I solo-scummed to victory). Pizza had some kind of soul read on Logic based on differences from the previous game's performance, something to do with passive-aggressiveness. He was annihilated, and GH and Zack sacrificed themselves trying to save him. Now apparently GH has taken over as the knower of Logic meta, and this game was two years ago, so I figure we can defer to his judgement. I would like to see Logic comment more though, especially now that he's only playing one game.

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I was aware of it from scrolling down in this same subforum, I don't really think I'll have time to read it tho.
I didn't know you were another one of his buddies, I was just assuming you had been town in it :rolleyes:

I'm at my second job this weekend, and thus I haven't read much beyond the flips. But the wagon composition tells me Ladd probably isn't scum.

Will post more later, but that's my updated reads for now.

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Originally Posted by Egix

I'm town. I don't have any powers (apart from my voice and vote ofc)

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:inquisitive:

also I let the tinfoil theories run for a bit cause it's fun, but gh is ~always a villager

only small detail giving me pause is that he should have me as clear but besides that I don't really think he is a wolf

don't let the #fear get the better of you

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Originally Posted by ladd

well your wolf game isn't as bad as you are claiming it to be from a quick skim

sorry if I am asking you a barrage of questions (I am trying to decide if I want to stone wall your lynch), but why exactly do you have no read on me/zack/gh? and why ar eyou nto trying to get one?

for example you had me as scum yday and now today you are sheeping consensus on me without understaing the reasons, why?

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Well er, thanks I guess? I'm probably pretty biased here but I think that anyone who knows me well would have easily determined that I was scum...

The problem is that this game is going a lot faster than I was anticipating, and atp I'm feeling like I can't go back to reading older posts from this game without missing out on a lot of more recent stuff.

Hmmmmmm you've got me on that one. So what are those reasons?

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Originally Posted by Egix

Well er, thanks I guess? I'm probably pretty biased here but I think that anyone who knows me well would have easily determined that I was scum...

The problem is that this game is going a lot faster than I was anticipating, and atp I'm feeling like I can't go back to reading older posts from this game without missing out on a lot of more recent stuff.

Hmmmmmm you've got me on that one. So what are those reasons?

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zack buried barto

I pushed both pzelda and barto

gh has been villagery and voted zelda/barto

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Originally Posted by ladd

:inquisitive:

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Just to be safe ;)

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Originally Posted by Logic

I'm at my second job this weekend, and thus I haven't read much beyond the flips. But the wagon composition tells me Ladd probably isn't scum.

Will post more later, but that's my updated reads for now.

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id like to hear this logic (xD)

if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look

the known bads i should say (barto/pzelda)

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Originally Posted by ladd

zack buried barto

I pushed both pzelda and barto

gh has been villagery and voted zelda/barto

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:rtwyes:

I'm always town here for two reasons: First of all, while I wasn't on Barto quite as early as Zack, I too quickly pointed out a discrepancy in one of his earliest comments and would have explored it further were the f3 in my other game (now concluded) not about to start. Secondly, I consistently voted for and pushed the two mafiosi pretty much all day yesterday, always ranking Barto ahead of Monty in my personal "lynch preference" list, jumping to PZelda, independently isoing PZelda and providing further ammunition to the fire, and ultimately ending up on him. I briefly switched to Chox, yes, but that was mostly out of deference to Empoof trying for some wagonomics and I was always intending to end back up on PZelda, as I think I made pretty clear over the course of EOD1. I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Egix

Just to be safe ;)

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did you go back and recheck or rememebr it by heart?

I don't wanna go too much into detail on this one but it's actually been bugging for a bit and it should be fien since it's in the OP

idk. reading this other game egix linked, it felt like he faked a lot more content in it than he would have if he was a bad this game

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.

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you are really that convinced he is a wolf uh

Re: Egix

As far as I'm concerned, he is looking behaviorally better today, yes, but the PZelda list I quoted earlier today from D1 where he lists four townreads, two of whom have already flipped town, is almost certain to contain a partner and I think it's more likely that it's PZelda than Merl1n (the other unflipped townread).

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Re: Egix

As far as I'm concerned, he is looking behaviorally better today, yes, but the PZelda list I quoted earlier today from D1 where he lists four townreads, two of whom have already flipped town, is almost certain to contain a partner and I think it's more likely that it's PZelda than Merl1n (the other unflipped townread).

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think that's a poor assumption that a bad has to include a fellow bad in their good reads

(admittedly its part of why im voting egix xD)

general, skim his posts in that game egix linked? i think there different than here, more serious and more contentful. is giving me a little pause, but idk how much to weight that given 1) he linked and chose the game himself 2) idk how much ppls play differs from site to site/game to game in this setting

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm always town here for two reasons: First of all, while I wasn't on Barto quite as early as Zack, I too quickly pointed out a discrepancy in one of his earliest comments and would have explored it further were the f3 in my other game (now concluded) not about to start. Secondly, I consistently voted for and pushed the two mafiosi pretty much all day yesterday, always ranking Barto ahead of Monty in my personal "lynch preference" list, jumping to PZelda, independently isoing PZelda and providing further ammunition to the fire, and ultimately ending up on him. I briefly switched to Chox, yes, but that was mostly out of deference to Empoof trying for some wagonomics and I was always intending to end back up on PZelda, as I think I made pretty clear over the course of EOD1. I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.

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Lynch a wolf today, or perish.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Lynch a wolf today, or perish.

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thats dumb. ppl can be wrong and still be good.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

general, skim his posts in that game egix linked? i think there different than here, more serious and more contentful. is giving me a little pause, but idk how much to weight that given 1) he linked and chose the game himself 2) idk how much ppls play differs from site to site/game to game in this setting

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I'm about to head out and won't be able to read it in detail for the next few hours, but I don't really ascribe much to any differences there might be simply because of the environment (it was specifically a newbie game and this one has a lot of experienced players who know each other well) and the phaselengths are very different. Easier to fake content if you're doing so over a period of 10 days and have time to think about it compared to 48/24.

i thought dyachei was maybe good because of her hard attack on pzelda and fact that like only ppl she asked questions to were the two known bads. maybe that's a little too on point u could argue

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Re: Egix

As far as I'm concerned, he is looking behaviorally better today, yes, but the PZelda list I quoted earlier today from D1 where he lists four townreads, two of whom have already flipped town, is almost certain to contain a partner and I think it's more likely that it's PZelda than Merl1n (the other unflipped townread).

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This is a fallacy.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

thats dumb. ppl can be wrong and still be good.

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Call me dumb, then.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

Lynch a wolf today, or perish.

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I'm glad to know that my pushing of two flipped mafia in one phase is enough to buy me exactly one day of goodwill. :wings: