04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[ladd]

vote: El Barto

I do think Monty looks better, and I'm less comfortable with my company on that wagon

plus Barto is definitely pretty low-key

and I think it's a helpful lynch no matter what

can you elaborate on both of the bolded?

I know the first is kinda self explaining but I wanna know exactly how you felt about people on both wagons at that point and what made you switch like that

[ladd]

also for post game credit, I had empoof as a PR

that's the thign that kinda makes me fear this game maybe not be super easy as we are thinking since after that EoD I feel empoof would be the nk only if choxorn is a wolf or if wolves are paying attention and PR read him as well

[Zack]

Insaner spitroasted a wolf and thinks it's a role madness game. The wolves didn't know barto was going to die and should have been expecting to sacrifice him d2 if they let me live through the night.

Empoof defended zelda iirc and was not really gunning after anyone except choxorn that I remember. I don't know why they would kill him if chox is villa

Not sure why everyone thinks dya is so villagy. She is near the bottom of my POE.

I'm also chuckling at insaner's God read of capage now being correct 3 out of 4 games, which is literally just rand lol

[Zack]

Maybe one of those people that was all "why do people think Merlin is so villagy?!?!?!" is w/w with Merlin

[ladd]

Maybe one of those people that was all "why do people think Merlin is so villagy?!?!?!" is w/w with Merlin

lol an ever green

choxorn just claimed tracker fwiw. I agree with you that game would make more sense if Choxorn was a wolf but shrug, seems pointless to go there today

[Zack]

Also let's take a moment to acknowledge that I had the sickest soul read of all time

[ladd]

can you elaborate on both of the bolded?

I know the first is kinda self explaining but I wanna know exactly how you felt about people on both wagons at that point and what made you switch like that

Tally:
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius,)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)


Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo

This seems correct?

to add some context, this was the votecount at the time where cuth switched from monty to barto cause he said wagon composition looked better

I don't get why you thought so since you had pzelda as a villa read?

and you didn't town read anyone on bart wagon except zack afair

feel free to correct me if I am misremembering something, or if insaner vc was wrong

[Cuthillius]

can you elaborate on both of the bolded?

I know the first is kinda self explaining but I wanna know exactly how you felt about people on both wagons at that point and what made you switch like that

4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)

most recent vote tally at the time

monty was trending up relatively heavily, i've been reading zack soundly villager all game, and i also thought empoof was town-- my only real hesitation there was gh wolf-reading him pretty strongly

didn't and still don't really have much of a personal opinion on ladd's alignment

at this point i was on board with the idea of el barto because, like i said (more or less), he typically has a certain fire that was, as zack pointed out, definitely lacking

also i think there's been a similar lynch in the past with me on the wrong side? something like that

i remember this being a Thing before

but the other option was just a completely disengaged village barto who'd been about the most talked about person this game, and that wouldn't be a terrible lynch either if it came to that

also while i was initially reading pzelda as villagery because his posting was too awkward, other people who actually knew him were saying otherwise so that was trending down

but i didn't have as much reason to go there or anywhere else, barto was the strongest wolfread i had apart from private tinfoils which were coming in and out of style throughout the phase

[ladd]

4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius)

most recent vote tally at the time

monty was trending up relatively heavily, i've been reading zack soundly villager all game, and i also thought empoof was town-- my only real hesitation there was gh wolf-reading him pretty strongly

didn't and still don't really have much of a personal opinion on ladd's alignment

at this point i was on board with the idea of el barto because, like i said (more or less), he typically has a certain fire that was, as zack pointed out, definitely lacking

also i think there's been a similar lynch in the past with me on the wrong side? something like that

i remember this being a Thing before

but the other option was just a completely disengaged village barto who'd been about the most talked about person this game, and that wouldn't be a terrible lynch either if it came to that

also while i was initially reading pzelda as villagery because his posting was too awkward, other people who actually knew him were saying otherwise so that was trending down

but i didn't have as much reason to go there or anywhere else, barto was the strongest wolfread i had apart from private tinfoils which were coming in and out of style throughout the phase

where?

and why was monty trending up?

if you explained it yday, just say so and I can dig it up on my own

[Cuthillius]

where?

and why was monty trending up?

if you explained it yday, just say so and I can dig it up on my own

gh's wall shortly beforehand

not like a top wolf read but

Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

monty was trending up because i didn't find anything objectionable about his posts after the initial one i took issue with and the homesiters were all saying he was rather villagery

[Cuthillius]

gh's wall shortly beforehand

not like a top wolf read but



monty was trending up because i didn't find anything objectionable about his posts after the initial one i took issue with and the homesiters were all saying he was rather villagery

@ladd here's the post

i'd voted him/had suspicions initially basically entirely because of how he talked about me early on that i didn't like (game-wise, wasn't offended or anything lol)

but then his other posts were fine and didn't make that suspicion greater and people much more used to him were overwhelmingly calling him v-- you'll notice that i mentioned my opinion of him changing shortly after gh posted his reads

[Cuthillius]

also @ ladd, i'm not going to quote specific posts of mine because i don't think that's really going to help anything

is less a "i did this specific thing" than a "i'm playing outside of my typical wolf range" in a fair number of ways and i'm disappointed people like gh in particular aren't picking up on that where i'd expect them to than a "i'm objectively super villagery"

in particular: i'm terrible at motivating myself to play as a wolf unless there's good reason to

if the game looks quite winnable/i'm widely villageread OR i have wolfmates i know and trust

i can easily outpost my village self if i need to in terms of general wim, whether that's length or frequency or intensity

if none of that is the case, well

i typically post like a wet paper bag pretty quickly

granted, if there's a four-wolf team that's perhaps not the most compelling argument but it's very definitely a thing

furthermore

this is sort of a two-headed point

number one, i bussed in some unfortunate places many years ago and the reputation has managed to stick with me for a long time since i've renounced the practice in almost all cases

if i did so in this particular game i'd be setting myself up perfectly for loads of fun in that department

number two as such my wolf game is typically to try to outvillage the villagers, which i actually manage surprisingly frequently, and then convert, which i don't

but i typically go out of my way not to bus and to sort of poke the game in different directions

which, let's be honest, hasn't really happened this game

i've been pretty passive and not expecting anyone to listen to me or trying to make them, but not in a dejected sort of way like i've given up?

iunno

it's a thing

[merl1n]

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

[ladd]

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

GH has a ~100% read on Logic afaik and he says he is a villager

I also don't really mind logic's posts anyway

[Montmorency]

i read the opening rule thing after part of it got quoted to me d1, and it said powers are randomized, so my understanding is that any role can be good or bad. i dont understand why you think #1 here? everyone had him and egix as the two ppl that looked the worst, and he had clarifying information potentially on both ppl

It's very good timing if you're mafia.

#2 also seems wrong bc if hes not killed and we narrow it down to only 1 bad left he is incredibly strong as a role. so he either has to clear ppl as bad or bads have to kill him or risk getting caught

Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.

with regards to #3, investigative seems fine but not blocking??? he can either catch a bad if good or has to target in who we want him to target as bad and be accountable for target selection/result

Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?

tracker is the investigative role i play w/ the most in irl games bc no one likes cops. it's rlly weak early in game but rlly strong with most of the bads dead. i actually kind of think chox might be good for the claim bc as bad it means he never wins when making that claim and not dying

You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

[merl1n]

It's very good timing if you're mafia.



Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.



Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?



You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

[ladd]

vote: dyachei

[Cuthillius]

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

[merl1n]

i think general is good

he had a very different read on me than the rest of the game and i think bads are reluctant to go against grain like that. he also voted for barto, and then followed empoof onto choxorn, before going to pzelda, when he could have stayed on choxorn and had the accountability b on empoof

[ladd]

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

[Cuthillius]

alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

if i remember correctly, i was figuring the lynch would clear some things up there

because there was likely to be at least a little contrast between the viewpoints of the thread

as it is that happened and gh swung more towards the center of consensus

which i think is fairly resolving for that thread

[Montmorency]

no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too.

[merl1n]

I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too.

i had bad reads on d1, but it doesnt mean i dont have a lot of exp playing with trackers in irl games and how to handle them. ur not considering that hes going to have a lot of night actions between now and a final 3 to either catch bads, not catch bads, or have to explain away not catching bads. i think ur concerned about something that is basically impossible to happen