The Final US Election Thread

So apparently it only takes 1 billion devalued U.S. peso's to buy the presidency. Much lower then I had expected, was hopping it'd be sold for at least 3. Being the one of the largest contributors to the democratic campaign is quite possibly one of the only intelligent investments fannie may and freddie mac have made in recent years.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

An interesting take over at Beliefnet:

1. The modern conservative movement began with the crushing defeat of Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential race. The modern conservative movement ends with the crushing defeat of Arizona Sen. John McCain -- who took Goldwater's Senate seat upon his retirement -- in the 2008 presidential race.
2. Modern liberalism began its implosion with riots in Chicago's Grant Park at the 1968 Democratic Convention. Tonight, modern liberalism is reborn at Chicago's Grant Park, where a black Chicago Democrat will celebrate winning the presidency.

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no way. conservatism has a long time left, IMO.

Obama Won... Jesus.... Help us all :sweatdrop:

Obama won jesus ?!

hell, what other cool perks does the president get ?

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Originally Posted by {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88

Obama Won... Jesus.... Help us all :sweatdrop:

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welcome, Comrade, to the United Soviet Socialist States of America.....
he, jk.
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http://www.laughatliberals.com/blog/...ma-emporer.jpg

Godspeed You Black Emperor

I'm glad that you Euro fellas are happy with this outcome. It must be hard year after year to be utterly ruled by a president whose election you have no sway in, eh? Maybe this will take away the sting.

If Obama stays to the right where he has positioned himself during the election and doesn't sign that FOCA, I may warm to him. He is easily likable and as long as prop 8 passes and Foca stays off the table I wont writhe in agony all that much.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

hell, what other cool perks does the president get ?

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Whenever he orders mexican, the president gets free guacamole

I-1000 (Doctor assisted suicide, opposed by the American Medical Association and requiring falsification of death certificates) passed up here in WA,
as did I-1209, a big gimme to unions that couldn't even pass in our legislature,
And it looks like Rossi is losing, because of crowds of morons in Seattle.

At least Darcy Burner, idiot extraordinaire, is losing.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I-1000 (Doctor assisted suicide, opposed by the American Medical Association and requiring falsification of death certificates) passed up here in WA,
as did I-1209, a big gimme to unions that couldn't even pass in our legislature,
And it looks like Rossi is losing, because of crowds of morons in Seattle.

At least Darcy Burner, idiot extraordinaire, is losing.

CR

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congrats on i-1000.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

I'm glad that you Euro fellas are happy with this outcome. It must be hard year after year to be utterly ruled by a president whose election you have no sway in, eh? Maybe this will take away the sting.

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I'll be glad when Obama shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush -- in office. The fact that America & its media are voluntarily almost isolated from the rest of the world (missile shield, almost sounds like Bush was even detached from the 'real' American world) is telling.

Ah well, if the (ironically, US American) futurologists get it right this will be the Century of China anyways -- so we need not worry about USA as much; then we can all (US Americans more than anyone, 'cause it's Chinese money the US Americans are living off) be happy when the 'right one' next Chinese Communist Party President gets voted to power.

America has chosen McObama. The Game is over for Ocain. If he could help the rest of the world...

BTW, welcome back Beirut!

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

I'll be glad when Obama shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush -- in office. The fact that America & its media are voluntarily almost isolated from the rest of the world (missile shield, almost sounds like Bush was even detached from the 'real' American world) is telling.

Ah well, if the (ironically, US American) futurologists get it right this will be the Century of China anyways -- so we need not worry about USA as much; then we can all (US Americans more than anyone, 'cause it's Chinese money the US Americans are living off) be happy when the 'right one' next Chinese Communist Party President gets voted to power.

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well, we dont know if he will show better practical, common, political sense than Bush....
not until he gets into office.

so "when" isnt correct here, but "if," IMO.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

I'm glad that you Euro fellas are happy with this outcome. It must be hard year after year to be utterly ruled by a president whose election you have no sway in, eh?

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The hardest part was seeing such a powerful nation being represented by that anti-president Bush. So yes, we're all pretty happy with this. :beam:

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

well, we dont know if he will show better practical, common, political sense than Bush....
not until he gets into office.

so "when" isnt correct here, but "if," IMO.

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Yes. You are right: Obama isn't in office yet.

no, the point was that you were talking about obama as if his success in the white house was guaranteed. nothing in this world is guaranteed, not even for a "messiah" like obama.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

He is easily likable and as long as prop 8 passes and Foca stays off the table I wont writhe in agony all that much.

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Even if (no on) 8 passes why would that be a black mark against Obama? He had nothing to do with it. It's a state issue.

Best comment on the election so far, courtesy of Slashdot:

"I think Washington D.C. will become a radioactive wasteland and the survivors will spend their waking hours hunting mutant ants in collapsed subways. Oh, wait. My copy of Fallout 3 arrived yesterday and that's all I can think about."

good Conservative/Libritarian summary of the election, by Neal Boortz:
here

Wow, bitter, party of one?

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

no, the point was that you were talking about obama as if his success in the white house was guaranteed. nothing in this world is guaranteed, not even for a "messiah" like obama.

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Begging your pardon, but no I wasn't really. Unless in America "I'll be glad if" means something completely different from what it seems to mean in the rest of the world. In which case my apologies for the misunderstanding, I was intending to convey the notion that I'm not happy on account of Obama's election just yet, but provided that he shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush did, while in office then I'll be glad. Hope it's better this way?

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Wow, bitter, party of one?

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It's quite funny in a very sad way, though. Compare it [Boortz' article] to The Onion article posted by you in the Weird News thread. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_daily

That just makes your day doesn't it? Especially when you read the disclaimer about Hate Speech and realise...
I can see that Fairness Doctrine getting somewhere like that.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

It's quite funny in a very sad way, though. Compare it [Boortz' article] to The Onion article posted by you in the Weird News thread. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_daily

That just makes your day doesn't it? Especially when you read the disclaimer about Hate Speech and realise...
I can see that Fairness Doctrine getting somewhere like that.

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"After enduring eight years of near constant trauma, the United States is, at long last, ready for equality."

That line was great.

I can understand partisans being bitter about yesterday. What really perplexed me was when partisan Republicans were sore winners in 2000 and 2004. If we (Dems) were Republicans, I suppose right about now we'd be discussing which sub-basements we're going to force the Republican minority subcommittees to go have their meetings in and not let them have use of any meeting facilities.

Congratulations to Obama.
I'll celebrate if and when Obama shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush - in office.

I just heard McCain's speech. Absolutely beautiful. America can be proud that a man like McCain has wished to serve it.

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I couldn't help but notice...everywhere I went today, I saw smiling Black faces. They walked prouder, more upright, laughed harder. Our Black security officer wore his tie straight, he stood upright most of the day, projecting welcome to our guests, instead of just sitting behind his desk.

There was nothing truly unusual about it, just a sense like...it reminded me of when France won the World Cup. You just notice it.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Maybe that's because I've been quite disapointed by politics, but I found the speech rather boring. Nothing but catch-sentences ("We can !", already tired by this one) and the usual lies served by any elected guy. I can't understand why people were looking at him as he was some kind of god.

But he at least had a good point. America shown us a great lesson of 'democracy' by electing an african-american.
European snobish and arrogant intellectual elites might think twice before criticizing the US for all and nothing now.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Now if only I was that guy that staked his reputation in 2004 on the then unthinkable prediction that - before the end of the decade! - America would be the hippest thing on the planet.

Wait...I am him. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Wow, bitter, party of one?

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One good election deserves another. As I recall liberals were incredibly bitter about their losses in 2000 and especially in 2004 when Dubya managed to defy the odds and beat Kerry. I was working at CBS on election night during the Bush/Gore race and as the results streamed in the sheer panic that gripped my co-workers was borderline psychotic. Nervous body language, agitated expressions, lashing out. I remember one young, decidedly gay attorney talking on the phone in the office near my desk... "Zomg, look at all those red states!!! How can this be happening?!? I can't believe this!!!"

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

good Conservative/Libritarian summary of the election, by Neal Boortz:
here

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Great piece. He gets a little looney with his far flung projections but I loved this part...

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Several times in the last few day's I've mentioned the concept of "The Tipping Point." I'm using that term in the context of voting and taxpaying. Right now we are at the point where about 43% of American income earners pay absolutely NO income tax. I've been saying for years that if the Democrats ever gain absolute control in Washington we're going to see that percentage climb ... climb to over 50%. That's the tipping point. Imagine a political campaign where the majority of voters do not pay income taxes. Imagine a campaign where the majority of voters actually get a check from the government instead of writing a check to the government. Can you hear the Democrat campaign themes then? "Vote for the Republicans and they're going to make you pay income taxes."

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This article makes the pic posted by TuffStuffMcGruff even more poignant. After all, wasn't it Caesar's appeals and promises to the mob that ensured his success?

Dontcha just love Michael Ramirez's work?

https://img58.imageshack.us/img58/66...n110508qk6.jpg

A good article by George Wallace's daughter:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ama/index.html

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Originally Posted by TinCow

A good article by George Wallace's daughter:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ama/index.html

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I'm not certain I understand the rant by Peggy Wallace Kennedy, or your intention in posting it. That people that disagree with the Democratic Party platform are the bigoted cultural heirs of George Wallace?

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Originally Posted by DNC party shill

And now a new call to arms has sounded as Americans face another assault on freedom. For if the stand in the schoolhouse door was a defining moment for George Wallace, then surely the aftermath of Katrina and the invasion of Iraq will be the same for George W. Bush.

The trampling of individual freedoms and his blatant contempt for the rights of the average American may not have been as obvious as an ax-handle-wielding governor, but Bush's insidiousness and piety have made him much more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Begging your pardon, but no I wasn't really. Unless in America "I'll be glad if" means something completely different from what it seems to mean in the rest of the world. In which case my apologies for the misunderstanding, I was intending to convey the notion that I'm not happy on account of Obama's election just yet, but provided that he shows sufficiently more practical, common, political sense than Bush did, while in office then I'll be glad. Hope it's better this way?

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ah, ok. i understand. no hard feelings? :beam:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm not certain I understand the rant by Peggy Wallace Kennedy, or your intention in posting it. That people that disagree with the Democratic Party platform are the bigoted cultural heirs of George Wallace?

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I posted it because I thought it was interesting and well-written. I thought that under the current circumstances the opinion of the daughter of the last person to run a major Presidential campaign on a platform of segregation would be interesting to a few posters. I am not quite sure why you are offended by it it being posted.

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Originally Posted by hooahguy

ah, ok. i understand. no hard feelings? :beam:

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Sure.