Futurama Dramarama Mafiarama! (Ramarama) [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Yet all that falls apart when my PM explicitly said I stopped you from killing last night. Explain that away, oh wait, you can't, that is why you are voting against me, even though I am a town role and star of Futrama, Phillip J. Fry,

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Are you just pulling that out your :daisy:? Mighty convenient if you ask me, since it's inexplicably hard to question and is an investigation coupled with roleblock. You only bring up the fact that it said so in your role PM when it seems your argument might fold like a deck of cards. If it were true Beskar, you'd have stated it outright.

If your argument is sound at any level, then you should not fear me voting you - yet you focus in on it like it's the worlds best evidence! You seem to assume that my word is some how divine mandate, and that by voting for you, I'll make you go away. Thats delusional in the extreme.

Again, you are BESKAR, not Philip J Fry, and are trying to argue on the merits of your character instead of the merits of your argument. Professor Farnsworth and Zap Brannigan were mafia last game! Being the "star" of the show pales into comparison as to what your actual role is!

He will be investigated tonight, Zapp will make sure of it.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Are you just pulling that out your :daisy:? Mighty convenient if you ask me, since it's inexplicably hard to question and is an investigation coupled with roleblock. You only bring up the fact that it said so in your role PM when it seems your argument might fold like a deck of cards. If it were true Beskar, you'd have stated it outright.

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As it is said in the rules I can't copy and paste what is said, however, I can say what happened in the sense I prevented a kill action by you. The results I receive are very detailed, I even seen people murdered during the role-block, unfortunately in those cases, no name to the murderer, just the fact they are murdered and how they were. (details of it)

So yes, you are confirmed Mafia and nothing you are going to say is going to save you. Just say "good game" and walk away.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

He will be investigated tonight, Zapp will make sure of it.

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If he is worthy of investigation, then he his argument holds no water, does it not? I'm starting to think Beskar might be third party - not necessarily a serial killer material, but not town either.

I'll state it again, if Beskar blocked me, and I am mafia, then all kills should have been blocked if I get two kills. If AVSM was mafia, and that I am the last mafia, then White Eyes will vindicate me when he says he protected you, which means that what we see is clearly not Beskar blocking me, and thus it does not explain the extra kill.

However, the last two nights, all kills have been performed by the same killer, so it can be assumed that we are indeed down to one mafioso - which makes Khaan one of the mafioso. Go back and read the write ups to see the change in kill style. This means, again, that if Beskar did block me, then why is their still a kill attempt! Both kills should have been blocked!

My guess? Mafia chose one kill last night, AVSM is not mafia, and Beskar is using this to try and lynch the only person who would go after him in the last round.

So let me get this straightened out:

1) Pever claims AVSM was found guilty, by detective.

2) AVSM is lynched.

3) Following AVSM's death, there is a drop in kills from 2 to 1.

Now, I admit I'm not great at this townie business, but I'm fairly sure that this is a solid indicator that AVSM was guilty, not withstanding the fact that he was BENDER, possibly a more untrustworthy character than the robot mafia themselves.

So, let's say this is correct. This means that, in order for their to be two kills, the remaining mafioso would be required to kill TWO people themself. If YLC was indeed blocked, why was he allowed one kill, and not the other? That not only makes no sense, but it forces one to ponder why one kill would go through instead of the other, particularly given that the one kill was pever, who claimed contact with the detective. Plainly to me, the fact that YLC was blocked while there were any kills practically exhonerates him, as he could not have issued any kills.

Please people think this through.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

As it is said in the rules I can't copy and paste what is said, however, I can say what happened in the sense I prevented a kill action by you. The results I receive are very detailed, I even seen people murdered during the role-block, unfortunately in those cases, no name to the murderer, just the fact they are murdered and how they were. (details of it)

So yes, you are confirmed Mafia and nothing you are going to say is going to save you. Just say "good game" and walk away.

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I see, so your roleblock does not actually prevent murders then? So your going to contradict yourself even further? Nice.

Stop taking to make Eve bite into the apple, YLC. You are the Mafia FACT

And yes, it does prevent murderers from taking action, it doesn't protect the people I am role-blocking since I am afterall, a role-blocker and not a protector.

Isn't that obvious?

As for Shishei Khaan, your post is unwanted, I got a confirmed result on YLC, he is indeed the Mafia, what is there to even think about it?

Also, read this!

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Originally Posted by YLC

However, the last two nights, all kills have been performed by the same killer, so it can be assumed that we are indeed down to one mafioso - which makes Khaan one of the mafioso.

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and ShiseiKhaan is saying:

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

Now, I admit I'm not great at this townie business... etc etc

Please people think this through.

(tl;dr defence of YLC)

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Stop taking to make Eve bite into the apple, YLC. You are the Mafia FACT

And yes, it does prevent murderers from taking action, it doesn't protect the people I am role-blocking since I am afterall, a role-blocker and not a protector.

Isn't that obvious?

As for Shishei Khaan, your post is unwanted, I got a confirmed result on YLC, he is indeed the Mafia, what is there to even think about it?

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So thus, it's not a roleblock at all, since a roleblock prevents an action from being completed :wall:

Now your claiming your "roleblock" was an investigation! Which is it!

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Also, read this!



and ShiseiKhaan is saying:

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Yes, because mafia never coordinates strategies when online and self incriminate one another. Your trying to hard Beskar, to hard. You do realize that by acknowldeging the idea that Khaan is mafia, and saying I am the last mafia, confirms Khaans theory? Oh what a twisted paradox we weave.

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Originally Posted by YLC

So thus, it's not a roleblock at all, since a roleblock prevents an action from being completed :wall:

Now your claiming your "roleblock" was an investigation! Which is it!

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Stop purposely trying to say I said something else other than what I said, I said I am 1) a role-blocker, 2) I block the target person doing their ability 3) The write-ups I receive are detailed, to the point of the person I am role-blocking gets murdered, I see what happened, except for the name of the killer.

When does a Role-block also protect people they are role-blocking? How can I prevent murders of people I am role-blocking? For one saying about pot-holes, you are pulling the straw out of your hat in attempts to discredit me. I got a detailed result of preventing you killing some one, as I role-blocked you. It is that simple.

As I am the only one with any degree of intelligence here, I invoke Brannigans Law.

We'll lynch YLC today, have Beskar investigated tonight and go from there.

I am happy to go with that, if I am indeed guilty, you can lynch me. After all, I just need to kill the Mafia to win, so as long as we do that, I don't care about my own life.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Stop purposely trying to say I said something else other than what I said, I said I am 1) a role-blocker, 2) I block the target person doing their ability 3) The write-ups I receive are detailed, to the point of the person I am role-blocking gets murdered, I see what happened, except for the name of the killer.

When does a Role-block also protect people they are role-blocking? How can I prevent murders of people I am role-blocking? For one saying about pot-holes, you are pulling the straw out of your hat in attempts to discredit me. I got a detailed result of preventing you killing some one, as I role-blocked you. It is that simple.

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:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

You must be tired, please look over your statement again - your suggesting that by roleblocking, you did not roleblock me at all. A roleblock prevents an action from being taken, IE an investigation(s), a defense(s), a night kill(s).

First, you claim that we are short one kill because your roleblocked me and prevented it, which is patently false, since your acknowlegding that Khaan is the last mafioso, and thus I have been performing two kills a night, when their has been only one this night - why was the other one night blocked of as well?

Next, you claim that your roleblock of me did not prevent me from killing someone, when in fact no one was killed last night, and that it said clearly I was guilty, when from the start your argument was based on inference.

Now, you claim that you did not roleblock me at all, instead roleblocking someone else, and got to view a death that never happened.

Oh, your rich :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by YLC

If he is worthy of investigation, then he his argument holds no water, does it not? I'm starting to think Beskar might be third party - not necessarily a serial killer material, but not town either.

I'll state it again, if Beskar blocked me, and I am mafia, then all kills should have been blocked if I get two kills. If AVSM was mafia, and that I am the last mafia, then White Eyes will vindicate me when he says he protected you, which means that what we see is clearly not Beskar blocking me, and thus it does not explain the extra kill.

However, the last two nights, all kills have been performed by the same killer, so it can be assumed that we are indeed down to one mafioso - which makes Khaan one of the mafioso. Go back and read the write ups to see the change in kill style. This means, again, that if Beskar did block me, then why is their still a kill attempt! Both kills should have been blocked!

My guess? Mafia chose one kill last night, AVSM is not mafia, and Beskar is using this to try and lynch the only person who would go after him in the last round.

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Couple of points, YLC. First, we do not know who does the writeups. Could be Tratorix, or it could be the mafia. If its the host, then we can't say for sure what, if anything, the writeups mean. If the mafia are doing writeups, they could have picked a single style at any random point to incriminate someone or simply to disguise their numbers.


Mmmm...

The snake spread his lies, he attempts to disguise it with "truth and ambiguity" yet, there is the fact that remains, there was a successful role-block on him, stopping him from doing a night kill. Whatever lies he sprouts out, the snake tries his best to detract from this. The simple fact of this is what will make the town win as the town won't listen to the lies of the snake.

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Beskar- who is the other mafioso, then? If YLC was blocked, there needs to be another mafioso to kill. Why will you not address this?

I am role-blocking them tonight. All I will say,Branningans Law will tell us who it is.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I am role-blocking them tonight. All I will say,Branningans Law.

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Stop dodging. Was AVSM registered by the detective as guilty or not?

It is not dodging, it is simply pointless. Lynch the known positive Mafia then bother with the other after. If he isn't the last one, then I have strong suspicions on who they are and I will be role-blocking them.

Why are you defending YLC so much, Khaan?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

It is not dodging, it is simply pointless. Lynch the known positive Mafia then bother with the other after. If he isn't the last one, then I have strong suspicions on who they are and I will be role-blocking them.

Why are you defending YLC so much, Khaan?

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You aren't using logic. One mafioso = one kill. Or, conversely, one mafioso = two kills after one is dead.

If AVSM was guilty, then one of two things happens. One mafioso left. One mafioso = one kill. This exhonerates YLC because he was blocked while the kill occurred. Or, one mafioso left, and gets two kills. This still exhonerates YLC, because he was blocked and there was one a kill. If he was blocked, he could not have killed anyone. I'm getting aggravated because you are insisting on lynching a person who, by all given information, is not only not suspicious, but in fact is the most innocent person left.

So please, was AVSM guilty or not?

I haven't a clue, I just know for a solid fact revealed to me from Role-blocking YLC that I prevented him from doing a kill.

So unless Tratorix lied to me, I have no reason to doubt my result, it is that simple.

Facts:
- Beskar's Role-block shows that he successfully prevented a kill
- YLC confirms that he was indeed role-blocked
- This certainly proves YLC is indeed, our Mafia (or one of them)
- With the combined knowledge when YLC is lynched, if there is another Mafia, it can be narrowed down to maximum of two (though I suspect who it would be)
- This will ensure there will be a town victory.


There is no reason from going from quasi-made up logic or anything else, the facts say it all.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I haven't a clue, I just know for a solid fact revealed to me from Role-blocking YLC that I prevented him from doing a kill.

So unless Tratorix lied to me, I have no reason to doubt my result, it is that simple.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I haven't a clue, I just know for a solid fact revealed to me from Role-blocking YLC that I prevented him from doing a kill.

So unless Tratorix lied to me, I have no reason to doubt my result, it is that simple.

Facts:
- Beskar's Role-block shows that he successfully prevented a kill
- YLC confirms that he was indeed role-blocked
- This certainly proves YLC is indeed, our Mafia (or one of them)
- With the combined knowledge when YLC is lynched, if there is another Mafia, it can be narrowed down to maximum of two (though I suspect who it would be)
- This will ensure there will be a town victory.


There is no reason from going from quasi-made up logic or anything else, the facts say it all.

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Couple points.

Firstly, the rest of the players cannot see your role block private message. We must take your word for it that your are telling the truth. Thus, that it says exactly what you say it does is not in fact a fact.

Second, YLC confirming a role block does not mean anything in of itself. It does mean(suspending belief of something truly bizarre) that you did in fact role block him. For those of us not named Beskar, that is where it ends- we cannot know whether it actually blocked anything at all, or, if it did, what it blocked. That is up to the town to decide. Thus,

Third, your first two points do not in any way add up to YLC being mafia to those of us not named Beskar.

Meanwhile, a supposed detective revealed that AVSM was guilty. If we accept this as true, it would imply that the mafia very likely went from two members to one. If one mafioso = one kill, AVSM's guiltiness, backed by detective(a least as far as the public is aware), explains the drop in kills from two to one.

Thus, it is actually you, Beskar, that is guilty of using quasi-made up logic. I have presented why YLC is not only guilty, but, in fact, almost guaranteed of being innocent. Your only counter is a private message that we cannot see, to cover for leaps in logic that you seem to be unable to explain.

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Originally Posted by Tratorix

Lynched (3):
Shinseikhaan

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:nospam::nospam:

@YLC,Beskar

:argue::argue::argue::argue::argue:

:wall:~:handball:

:clown::smash:

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

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As I am the only one with any degree of intelligence here, I invoke Brannigans Law.

We'll lynch YLC today, have Beskar investigated tonight and go from there.

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:yes::yes:

Vote:YLC

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

:nospam::nospam:

@YLC,Beskar

:argue::argue::argue::argue::argue:

:wall:~:handball:

:clown::smash:

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:



:yes::yes:

Vote:YLC

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Thanks so :daisy:ing much DIY :brood:

Whatever, I'm not going to bother debating ever again, or use reason or logic, and just simply call people guilty with irrational reasoning.

I'll stake my upcoming large game on the fact I am not mafia, and I am not bluffing.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Thanks so :daisy:ing much DIY :brood:

Whatever, I'm not going to bother debating ever again, or use reason or logic, and just simply call people guilty with irrational reasoning.

I'll stake my upcoming large game on the fact I am not mafia, and I am not bluffing.

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:embarassed:

Vote:?????????

:help:

Unvote; YLC
Vote: Abstain

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

:embarassed:

Vote:?????????

:help:

Unvote; YLC
Vote: Abstain

:holmes:

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The point I am trying to make is that I am betting no one will actually go through the thread and read the argument in it's entirety without trying to interject bias, and it's just downright irritating and discouraging. Why bother putting effort into a game when not only does no one care, but it nets only negative results?

Nothing is discouraging as time zones when you have a positive mafia result on some one and you are sat there thinking "When will you come online and just vote for the damned Mafia already".

On that note, don't listen to the snake and re-vote for YLC. I have a confirmed positive result that he is indeed Mafia and my story is legitimate and no changes or worming like YLC has done throughout this turn.

Vote:YLC....:dizzy2:

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Alive (5):
pevergreen
White eyes
Beskar
Splitpersonality
Death is yonder

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Killed by Mafia (6/7 ??):
Captain Blackadder
atheotes
ATPG
Diana Abnoba
CDF
??
??

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---> Vote:Beskar