You must get confused because I go in with a stretched leg, not my problem if that is what you read, I am used to lefties having a conversation with their dogma's when pavlov says DANCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
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You must get confused because I go in with a stretched leg, not my problem if that is what you read, I am used to lefties having a conversation with their dogma's when pavlov says DANCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Funny you should say that, did the Bell at the Mosque just ring? You are salivating again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Edit: Yes, probably a good idea to lock this topic.
Only on friday and mosques don't have bells, I guess you have no idea what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
edit: go Geertje, Halsema of the greens admittingly ain't too bad either https://www.youtube.com/user/hetvrij.../0/bUAwYBtK3W4
Well I have to agree with Beskar, first white kids can't do no wrong and it's only the non-whites, then when pressed suddenly only a portion of the immigrant kids are the problem and beating a mailman to death is an exception.
That's not going in with a stretched leg, that's just backing up and realizing you were wrong.
Can't agree with someone on how other people think. Bringing up a very isolated case and presenting it as an argument is grasping at straws at best, I can bring you plenty statistics of how much more criminal muslim youth is, pick your country and I will deliver np, we all know that is a fact. There has never been a racist murder in the Netherlands, I would go so far that there aren't any serious racist incidents in the Netherlands at all. And yeah, I find it pretty hard to believe white kids ever gave you any trouble. Not for being jewish at least. Why don't you go all orthodox and take a stroll, I give you 10 minutes at best.
:laugh4: Apart from the balant obvious socio-economic divisions, you are now trying to argue they are some-how more criminal. Go to any council estate in the United Kingdom, and get swarmed by creamy white track-suit cladded youth. Funnily enough, even in basically 'all-white' areas, council estates (where the low-income working class/non-working class dwell) has significantly highest crime-rates around. Also, funnily enough, poor immigrants end up in these areas and assimilate into that culture. So any statistics would be like what racists use in America, where they pick all the 'black' people in the poor income ghetto's and compare them to suburban upper-middle class 'white' kids to say they have an evil gene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Wait... what does going orthodox jewish got to do anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Try it, you will love itQuote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Apart from the balant obvious socio-economic assumtions, you are now trying to argue they are some-how more criminal
Fixed
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...s-role-in.html
Psychologist Nicolai Sennels concludes from talks with young suspects of light-crimes that young Muslims see themselves as victims and lack respect for society.
According to Nicolai Sennels there it too much talk and victimization of the individual and too little focus on cultural problems, when the Copenhagen Municipality deals with youth of Muslim background.
Apart from the fact it is spelled "assumption", you are actually incorrect, it is not an assumption, it is a fact. I can guarantee there are plenty of Sociology/related peer-reviewed journals on the matter. Your own ignorance doesn't mean something is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Then do bring up some statistics. Here you go, Google is your friend and statistics prove Fragony is always right about everything:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
An alarming overrepresentation then. What is the reflex of the political-academic class to this? Twofold, both of what Fragony argues: they get their knickers in a twist, and so, firstly, make the unsubstantiated reflexive claim that 'alarming overrepresentation of ethnic backgrounds is 'not due to ethnic backgrounds'. and secondly, they try to 'solve this problem' by finding means to ban registration of ethnicity in crime statistics:Quote:
More than half of young Dutch men with Moroccan backgrounds in Rotterdam have had problems with the police. Their Antillean, Surinamese and Turkish counterparts also figure highly in the latest report on crime in the city. Criminology professor Frank Bovenkerk calls his findings alarming, but in his farewell speech at Utrecht University said, “It’s not due to ethnic backgrounds”.
New crime statistics show an alarming overrepresentation of ethnic groups.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/fa...ighly-disputedQuote:
Crime figures are normally compiled on a yearly basis. However, Professor Bovenkerk has looked at criminal behaviour spanning a number of years, between the ages of 18 and 24. His approach has resulted in an entirely different outcome. The professor linked information based on ethnicity to crime figures.
This is not permitted in the Netherlands, but the police department, youth care organisations and advisory groups in Rotterdam have been allowed to make the link, thanks to a special legal construction introduced in 2002.
[...]
There is resistance to Rotterdam’s policy of registering the ethnic background of ‘high-risk’ youth. The Aruban - Antillean organisation MAAPP, for example, criticises the practice. Chairman Raymond Labad says, “Ethnic registration has been banned since World War II.” His reference may be a bit charged, but his fear of discrimination and stigmatisation is clear.
In local Rotterdam as well as in national politics, ethnic registration is highly disputed. The minister responsible for integration, Eberhard van der Laan, feels “a principle discussion must take place based on constitutional and international agreements”. A national privacy ‘watchdog’ is looking at whether Rotterdam has actually broken the law.
My master, for a reward, I demand another girl. :balloon2:
I can screw up pretty badly in 6, (7 if I flatter myself) languages how about you. Probably just one. I will probably beat you in that single one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
language, the last stand.
edit, thx Luigi
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The bright side
What exactly are you saying Louis? That ethnic backgrounds are a deterministic factor in the overrepresentation in crime stats or that they are circumstantial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I should imagine that any sane person, or one equipped with a minimum of rudimentary intelligence would find it hard not to agree with Beskar that it is social class and conditions which is the determining factor of a particular segment of society's presence in crime statistics. Except when it comes to Belgians, they are all theives.
Of course they are circumstantial, the circumstances of Islam being a shield against equal treatment of all citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
theives <-- see Beskar, too easy
I should use the spell check too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I don't really understand the second part of your sentence: "the circumstances of Islam being a shield against equal treatment of all citizens."
I meant circumstantial as in "not enough to prove anything", e.g. circumstantial evidence in a murder trial -as opposed to a good solid piece of evidence which clearly inciriminates the accused.
I don't need a spell-checker.Quote:
Originally Posted by alh_p
It's pretty straightforward what I mean, the Islam has a special place.
I do not think that condition 2) is still met and we are at least on the line to fail on condition 1)Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Time to close this.
Thanks for the contributions
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