Representative Democracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote whoever cass

Just hope the Chancellor can pick well

No chance I'm ever around for eod

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so, no more double vote?

WRT El Barto

Votes Barto with generalised reasons/anti-town behaviour, later comments that it's unusual for him to do Towny intent unless there's threat of death.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Visorslash

Vote: El Barto

I should be chancellor because for once I've actually got enough time to play properly. This also means I'm going to get killed early by the scum, which means you'll get another pick soon enough.

Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.

El Barto should swing because he's trying to stretch a self-serving metagame justification for non-revealing behaviour to cover actively anti-town behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

He can do townie intent.

Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.

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WRT Monty, Sooh, Zack, Cuth.

Pushes strongly, with more specific reasons afaict.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Do you ever act this hammy as town?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

That's a genuine question, btw.

I don't recall having seen it before.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.

W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.

W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Standard brush-off, not convincing.

Where's the solving, Monty?

You're top of the post pile, but it's all chatter and ham.

Give us some reads.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.

Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.

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WRT Sooh

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.

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WRT Zack

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

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WRT Cuth

After full ISO, when Visor votes him - which he does for no-one else in re-read

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.

Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.

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@Winston Hughes / anyone

How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?
Why El Barto over other scummy reads?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum

i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game

and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack

who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need

what time is eod again

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Originally Posted by Renata

Coming from someone who has zero wolves right now I'll take that with as many grains of salt as required.

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You can play the game your way and I'll play mine

I don't go into your bakery and scream about how all your bread is a day old

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.

It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.

That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.

I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.

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These two posts still don't sit well with me

Tally # 5 (till post 930)
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema		Cass
Cuthillius	Cuth	Zack	Visor
Renata	Dp101	Cass	Choxorn
Choxorn	Cuth	Zack
Dp101	Cuth	GH	Sooh
Jabbz	Dp101	Cass	Zack
dicetosser1	Dice	Cass	Monty
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Visor	Cass	El barto
BSmith	Winston	Visor	Al sips
Visor	Visor	Visor	Cuth
Csargo	Winston	Cass	Sooh
Riedquat	Visor	Visor	Visor
El Barto	El Barto	El Barto	Winston
Monstrbro	Visor	Visor	Sooh
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	GH	Cass	Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh	Cass	Sooh	Zack
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief	GH	Zack	Sooh
Zack	Zack	Zack	Jabbz
atheotes	Cass	Winston	Choxorn

unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Listen. There are 934 posts so far this game. If I'm going to go back and read them thoroughly it'll take me more than the 2 1/2 hours that are left until EOD. I can catch up overnight if I'm still alive, but that's a big IF. I'll try for the time that's left to get as far as I can, so that I can at least have some informed votes at EOD.

FTR
First time I posted this game was right after it begun. I was snarky and having fun, or at least I thought so. Next time I came in the majority was mechanics talk, and I gave my opinions on that, as well as commented on whatever I saw that I felt like commenting on. Sometimes just a fun quip, sometimes a thought.
Since then I've been pretty much up to my neck in Christmas preparations, sleep and work. I have been given ZERO leeway this game, compared to others who have barely posted.

tl:dr
Lynch me if you want.

I have claimed that I have a PR, but I have not claimed what yet. I was actually worried about revealing too much when I spoke to Atheotes when he was PR fishing earlier.

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you are not up for lynch today. Ppl have backed off since you claimed. But what are the odds that you will be alive tomorrow? thats why i would like to see some reads from you.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

These two posts still don't sit well with me

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Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?

Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:

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Originally Posted by atheotes

OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.

Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.

Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.

Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto

Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
Vote: El Barto

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He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.

Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes

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Can you give all your reasons why pls?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?

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Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game

I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.

At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons

At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now

The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:



He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.

Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?

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You had made a few posts but there was no content.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?

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Lynch him and see what the host says is standard procedure.

But I do feel his contribution here has lacked town intent even by his usual standards, and this after he's shown glimpses of actual town play in a game or two more recently.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Why El Barto over other scummy reads?

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As per my previous post, I've not placed him over other scummy reads, I've just not changed my vote.

Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. @Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? @Schema, where's your vote? @dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?

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Originally Posted by atheotes

You had made a few posts but there was no content.

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You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?

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Originally Posted by Visor

cuth how do you sleep at night?

why on earth do you think I am scum, what in GODS NAME is wrong with my push on Sooh.

GO READ WHAT I QUOTED AND REFUTE ANY SINGLE PART OF IT.

I want you to TELL ME that the 25 posts of absolute NOTHING in relation to the game at hand is villagery. PLEASE. Tell me it is how a villager plays the game. From someone who is up to date and continually catches up and provides absolutely ZERO relevant thoughts on the game state at numerous times.

And you think I am a wolf pushing that for ????????????????????????????? reasons?

TELL ME HOW SHE IS A VILLAGER FROM THE POSTS SHE HAS MADE.

I didn't want to go all caps, but you seem to be interested in showcasing some serious performance art, so please, show me.

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i was taking issue with your stance of only/most noticable person without towny posts>scum

i think that position is contrived

particularly given that i personally am seeing sooh's normal behavior

and i'm not becoming less convinced that you're scum

but mostly not because of the push

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Originally Posted by Renata

Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. @Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? @Schema, where's your vote? @dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?

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DON'T LISTEN TO RENATA IT'S A TRAP

Listen to me and do what Renata says

Entire Csargo ISO

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote: Montmorency

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Sooh

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I feel your pain.

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This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

unvote, Vote: Cass_

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@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

Visor, cuth is a Probable Villager (TM)

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Entire Csargo ISO






This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.






@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

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I thought Csargo was Csarmi but he's probably not

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Entire Csargo ISO






This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.






@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

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Probably. It's been years, but I remember extreme low posting.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.

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Which part was ballsy?

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Originally Posted by Zack

How have you been anything like mike in this game anyways

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again

or maybe not again given i didn't go into this as much earlier

he is going after people less like a bitter pedantic normal visor

i genuinely don't think he believes what he's saying

his arguments and defenses of himself sounds like he thinks sooh is scummy but that he knows he's scum

and it does feel a tiniest bit cftwr to me

Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?

Right now this is shaping up as Visor (2 votes) vs Cuthilius (1 vote), with little to do for the third rep to do but agree or not agree on Cuthilius deserving death. I don't like this; neither of them should be reps IMO.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?

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IMO townie tone later on.

Vote: monstrman

I will vote as my people command

I am the vessel on which we will glide safely to victory

A bro you can trust

A vote for me is a vote for democracy

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Originally Posted by Renata

IMO townie tone later on.

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Examples?

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game

I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.

At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons

At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now

The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.

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I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'

Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?

I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.

Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Can you give all your reasons why pls?

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Looks like Al sips is a no show and you can choose yourself as the rep. Who are you going to vote for?

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Jabbz /Winston Hughes
GeneralHankerchief/Montmorency/El Barto /
Sooh* / Schema

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Amoung your wolf tier, I dont want you to lynch Jabbz, Winston or Sooh. I am null on Schema.

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Originally Posted by Renata

OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.

The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.

If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.

Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.

tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.

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this is towny

Atheotes:

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Originally Posted by Sooh

You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?

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Originally Posted by Cass_

I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'

Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?

I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.

Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.

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Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either

I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers

Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"

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Originally Posted by atheotes

Actually, Cuth is in the lead. and he will be voting for Visor.

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possibly, but that is not a guarantee

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

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Originally Posted by Zack

Like, HALF of your reason for voting me was for something dp101 said. When it was determined that I didn't say it, HE did, you completely dropped it. How come you didn't then think dp101 was suspicious? Because it's all just made up crap.

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I don't think this was ever addressed or even acknowledged

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Examples?

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About 90% this for me:

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Originally Posted by atheotes

Renata trending up!

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It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.

You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.

renata, i'd be willing to give the representative power to you

i voted for myself and am campaigning not because i trust myself to make the proper decisions, but because i didn't have any townreads in my district other than dp

and i don't want dp to have that vote; not because he's scummy but because he's relatively inexperienced and somewhat pocket-prone

and i don't think has the current mafia personality to use the role properly

if you want it, i'll vote for you for rep

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

If Jabbz is a wolf Winston is probably a villager?

I need to reread to make sure of that one

i think schema's about 89% town here

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Originally Posted by Renata

About 90% this for me:



It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.

You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.

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So basically anti-omgus/pocket read.

i want to say one of gh/winston

but i'm not 100% on that

meh on sooh's posting

it's nothing a wolf couldn't do and i don't really lean either way on it

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Originally Posted by Schema

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

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Which posts make you think visor is scum and why?

Of the content I could actually understand without brainslide/disappointment

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Wait, Dp. Are you seriously stating that you want to put the mafia in charge of the lynch? I might have to read the OP to get to grips with this.

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Had the same thoughts so considered it could be Towny.
In retrospect he didn't follow up though.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Saw about 250 posts, read two dozen of 'em at most, selected from those related to me:



Hey, we both did that!



It wasn't me, I didn't do it.

Sheeping Renata?

OK, I am not obligated to vote for you anymore. And Dp101 has put Sooh in the lead, so I must abide by lawful custom and Vote: Winston Hughes.

(Cass_, I vote you in spirit).

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Didn't like this post, especially the bold.

But I liked most of this, because ?effort ?thought.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I meant he was pocketing you, actually.

Let's see.
It's D1.
I've spent a lot of the day doing stuff and then an hour calculating bets and RPS results.
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.

I'd honestly tell you to vote Sooh just to save my sorry arse and see what I can do in a few days when the RPS game has ended, but honestly, no. You can always burn Monty for having been scum last game, but that would apply only to me.

I'm not sure whether Monstrbro pings me because I've never played with him before or because he's doing something scummy. Beyond that… I always tend to analyse on the basis of votes. I'll see about that tomorrow. The group stage of RPS ends then and then the number of matches is halved every 24 hours. Yay.

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Don't understand the Monty comment.

But @Winston Hughes is this post more in the vein of the extra effort you mention he's been putting in? Or is it still scum.

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

Who else has Atheotes as town?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

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Well damn. New informations.

Can you explain your change, please?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

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why chox specifically

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either

I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers

Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"

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I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Who else has Atheotes as town?

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I sort of do, but I'm kind of waiting for that "Aha! There it is!" Moment I get that bolsters my towns for me

wow i shitposted in discord for a minute and a new page happened

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

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Probably town, because I don't think scum would vote for a claimed PR at this point.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

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I made a post about not liking those posts directly to winston before that

This isn't point a to b

It's from a to B back to a

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

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she's making short posts with weak reasons, citing omgus and using WIFOM

also the classic "why isn't <> getting looked at very closely" without really saying much else, in particular when combined with the previous line

also helps me evaluate visor

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i think schema's about 89% town here

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Why?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i think schema's about 89% town here

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why not 90 lol

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Cuth is a villager btw

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Who else has Atheotes as town?

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raises hand

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i think schema's about 89% town here

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Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?


I like the casual tone and humour is :) regardless of alignment but 'catching up' etc and reads left me feeling eh

- Why Mont/Renata/Winston? for scum? Town reads on myself and Dice possibly too easy.

Interactions when she came in seemed a good start, concerned they didn’t seem to go anywhere/follow up on/relate to reads.

She backtracks from Renata on general grounds quickly after Renata initiates a little pressure but still pushes back in that direction.
Not sure what to make of that atp.

Question to her about Atheotes because 'I noticed you commented on their reads list earlier' feels leading and I can't figure out the Town purpose/thought process behind it.

Similar one to Visor about GH because nothing was previously expressed in either of those directions.
Mentions she works better on interactions, pokes at Monstr and Visor questions but doesn't give own opinions. Also doesn't do any digging into other scum reads despite saying 'considering all their posts and any arguments made toward them and a lynch in that direction'.

TLDR, atp it feels more general than solvey. Leaning meh-possi-scumm. Want to see follow ups and more substantial reads.
@Schema

- What don't you like about Mont/Renata/Winston?

- What's your read/lean on Atheotes and why'd you ask Renata where she was at?

- Why'd you ask Visor for his opinion of GH? Where are you at on both of these players?

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

I made a post about not liking those posts directly to winston before that

This isn't point a to b

It's from a to B back to a

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In fact I'm surprised you don't remember because I spoke directly to you as well

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Originally Posted by Zack

why chox specifically

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because we actually know each other

unlike other people

and he actually voted for me

and i don't think dp knows me as well

sooo there are really only two people that i could possibly say that about and chox is the only one where it would be realistic?

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

In fact I'm surprised you don't remember because I spoke directly to you as well

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And you claim to have iso'd me

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Originally Posted by Zack

raises hand

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Why?

Atheotes: You still haven't explained why El Barto was in your first list of scum leans.

cass i feel like you are always making long posts that are talking about "old" stuff

i don't think it's really alignment-indicative but i thought it was interesting, i'm pretty sure it's just a playstyle quirk

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Originally Posted by Schema

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

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i like

1)her thing on renata-she clearly elaborates why renata is where she is
2)mildly goes against thread consensus
3)actively gamesolving in a towny fashion

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

renata, i'd be willing to give the representative power to you

i voted for myself and am campaigning not because i trust myself to make the proper decisions, but because i didn't have any townreads in my district other than dp

and i don't want dp to have that vote; not because he's scummy but because he's relatively inexperienced and somewhat pocket-prone

and i don't think has the current mafia personality to use the role properly

if you want it, i'll vote for you for rep

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I'm not going to stop you, but I'm much more comfortable backseat gaming right now. For one thing ,the only reason I'm even here right now is because my son is sick -- I was planning to go out this afternoon and am definitely going to be out this time two days from now. My husband is talking about Christmas shopping right now even at that.

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Who else has Atheotes as town?

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Me for now. Feel like he's pulling trains of thought out of my head throughout, and he's seemed questioning/solvey.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101

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would you be willing to vote renata

Tally as of 1020
Not verified yet, PM me with corrections.
<1.5 hours remain.

Straw polling results:

Person voting - District / Chancellor / Lynch

Schema --- Cass ---
Cuthillius Cuth Zack Sooh
Renata dp101 Cass Choxorn
Choxorn Cuth Zack ---
Dp101 Cuth GH Sooh
Jabbz dp101 Cass Zack
Dicetosser1 Dice Cass Monty

Winston Visor Cass El Barto
Bsmith Winston Visor Al Sips
Visor Visor Visor Cuthillius
Csargo Winston Cass Sooh
Riedquat Visor Visor Visor
El Barto El Barto El Barto Winston
Monstrbro Monstrbro Visor Winston

Montmorency GH Cass Visor
Al Sipsclar --- --- ---
Sooh Cass Sooh Zack
Cass_ --- --- ---
Generalhank GH Zack Sooh
Zack Zack Zack Jabbz
Atheotes Cass Winston choxorn


RESULTS SO FAR:

District One
Cuthillius leads the district with the support of 3:7 registered voters. Hardly a mandate, and his lead in the polls is tenuous, running on a campaign to change his name back to Cuthalion. dp101 is the nearest candidate with 2:7 registered voters supporting him. His platform confuses his supporters, mainly because he's supporting his opponent. Dicetosser1 is the only other candidate with any name recognition, unfortunately he gives speeches to supporters in empty arenas while wearing nothing but fuzzy dice in a strategic location. If Cuthillius is elected, he promises to lock Sooh up and investigate her emails. At least one undecided voter has yet to comment on the election.

District Two
Visor leads the district and is polling at (3:7), running on a campaign of slashing taxes for the middle class, but raising it for the upper class, and giving puppies to the poor. When asked how he will pay for it, he said "free trade", confusing everyone. Winston is in second place, running a long shot campaign against the current favorite, with only two supporters, not even including himself. Winston's strategy mainly involves electing Visor instead, curiously. And finally, El Barto is running a Quixotic campaign against the unstoppable Visor powerhouse, reminding people of Charles Doty, who couldn't even get his wife to vote for him. If Visor is elected, he promises to deport Cuthillius back to wherever he came from, probably the moon.

District Three
With several constituents not responding to pollsters, the race for district three is too close to call. Some people seem to support Cass, although she has yet to even accept the nomination to run for the district and is apparently unaware she's in the running. Noted four-star General Cornelius P. Hankerchief has announced his candidacy, and has even managed to win the support of his own campaign manager. Meanwhile, at Zack headquarters, the candidate sits alone in an unlit office with no electricity, heat, or running water, dreaming of at least being elected Chancellor. If Cass is elected, she promises to decide on a campaign platform. If GeneralHankerchief is elected, he promises to get at least five stars at his pirate-themed restaurant, noted for its ornate pocket squares. If Zack is elected, he promises to be even more Zack-like. It's unclear who the lynchee will be in this race.

Chancellor race
Cass: 7/21
Visor, Zack: 4/21
GH, El Barto, Winston, Sooh: 1/21

At Cass headquarters, supporters are cheering due to their lead in the polls. Supporters intend to inform Cass that she's about to be elected Chancellor anytime now, as she is blissfully unaware and still hasn't announced that she was even a candidate. She's in for a big surprise. Meanwhile, Visor and Zack are splitting the left wing vote, causing problems between the Judean people's front and the People's front of Judea, not to mention the Popular Front of Judea (Sooh). At the third party debates, El Barto promises to dismantle the entire federal structure and replace it with kitteh pictures.


Lynch
Who knows? Could be Sooh, could be Cuth, could be anyone at this rate. The leading candidates for the district races don't even agree on a suspect, so forming a united coalition in the currently divided Gameroom Congress could be difficult. Or it could be easy. I just do polls, don't ask me. They're usually wrong, too.


Editors note: This just in!
Poll does not reflect this updated information:

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Originally Posted by Dp101

limited time, 2-3 pages behind. Vote: Choxorn and Vote: Dp101

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We will adjust our tallies accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Why?

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something something T O A N

That's two game days from now. Wednesday I'll probably be around.

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Originally Posted by Renata

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?

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I don't have enough experience with him to say really, but i haven't read him either way and i don't feel like i can trust him.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

@Schema

- What don't you like about Mont/Renata/Winston?

- What's your read/lean on Atheotes and why'd you ask Renata where she was at?

- Why'd you ask Visor for his opinion of GH? Where are you at on both of these players?

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1) I'm better with Renata based on consistency and breadth of pushes. No bad feels there anymore today. Winston is more a weird gut feeling, not really aligning with posts he's made. Same thing with Monty, really, except that I have a thought and sometimes Monty says something that is the exact opposite of where my head goes, if we're talking mechanics and reads. But that might be more temperament. I need to read more specifically on what he has said since I was itt last night.

2) Atheotes hasn't done much that makes me go, "Look, there's a townie town." Just kind of hereabouts. I asked Renata because I was trying to sift reads and wanted to see how she responded to that, but I called it a night soon after and didn't make it back to see what kind of reply she gave. Hope she did.

3) I asked Visor for a read on GH because I hadn't noticed him saying much that direction. Reply from him was... unwilling, noncommittal. Didn't care for it.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I'm not going to stop you, but I'm much more comfortable backseat gaming right now. For one thing ,the only reason I'm even here right now is because my son is sick -- I was planning to go out this afternoon and am definitely going to be out this time two days from now. My husband is talking about Christmas shopping right now even at that.

What's your feeling on dicetosser as decision-maker?

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just shop on amazon, if you have prime i'm pretty sure they're giving free one-day shipping around this time of year (i know i had that option even though normally only 2-day shipping would be free)

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I don't have enough experience with him to say really, but i haven't read him either way and i don't feel like i can trust him.

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Based on any evidence, or feels?