Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[atheotes]

Vote whoever cass

Just hope the Chancellor can pick well

No chance I'm ever around for eod

so, no more double vote?

[Cass_]

WRT El Barto

Votes Barto with generalised reasons/anti-town behaviour, later comments that it's unusual for him to do Towny intent unless there's threat of death.

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Visorslash

Vote: El Barto

I should be chancellor because for once I've actually got enough time to play properly. This also means I'm going to get killed early by the scum, which means you'll get another pick soon enough.

Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.

El Barto should swing because he's trying to stretch a self-serving metagame justification for non-revealing behaviour to cover actively anti-town behaviour.

He can do townie intent.

Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.

WRT Monty, Sooh, Zack, Cuth.

Pushes strongly, with more specific reasons afaict.

Do you ever act this hammy as town?

That's a genuine question, btw.

I don't recall having seen it before.

Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.

Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.

W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.

W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.

Standard brush-off, not convincing.

Where's the solving, Monty?

You're top of the post pile, but it's all chatter and ham.

Give us some reads.

Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.

Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.

WRT Sooh

Sooh's posting lacks substance, looks scummy.

Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.

WRT Zack

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

WRT Cuth

After full ISO, when Visor votes him - which he does for no-one else in re-read

Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.

Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.

@Winston Hughes / anyone

How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?
Why El Barto over other scummy reads?

[Monstrdude]

cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum

i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game

and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack

who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need

what time is eod again

Coming from someone who has zero wolves right now I'll take that with as many grains of salt as required.

You can play the game your way and I'll play mine

I don't go into your bakery and scream about how all your bread is a day old

[Monstrdude]

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

As for Renata, I don't know how to read her.

It's weird to try and analyse someone with whom you've played a ton of games, but all of them at least a half-decade ago.

That she is the original source of my most intense paranoia trips does not make things any easier.

I certainly would not lynch today, but nor is she getting any townpoints as yet.

These two posts still don't sit well with me

[atheotes]

Tally # 5 (till post 930)
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema		Cass
Cuthillius	Cuth	Zack	Visor
Renata	Dp101	Cass	Choxorn
Choxorn	Cuth	Zack
Dp101	Cuth	GH	Sooh
Jabbz	Dp101	Cass	Zack
dicetosser1	Dice	Cass	Monty
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Visor	Cass	El barto
BSmith	Winston	Visor	Al sips
Visor	Visor	Visor	Cuth
Csargo	Winston	Cass	Sooh
Riedquat	Visor	Visor	Visor
El Barto	El Barto	El Barto	Winston
Monstrbro	Visor	Visor	Sooh
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	GH	Cass	Visor
Al Sipsclar
Sooh	Cass	Sooh	Zack
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief	GH	Zack	Sooh
Zack	Zack	Zack	Jabbz
atheotes	Cass	Winston	Choxorn

[Monstrdude]

unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes

[atheotes]

Listen. There are 934 posts so far this game. If I'm going to go back and read them thoroughly it'll take me more than the 2 1/2 hours that are left until EOD. I can catch up overnight if I'm still alive, but that's a big IF. I'll try for the time that's left to get as far as I can, so that I can at least have some informed votes at EOD.

FTR
First time I posted this game was right after it begun. I was snarky and having fun, or at least I thought so. Next time I came in the majority was mechanics talk, and I gave my opinions on that, as well as commented on whatever I saw that I felt like commenting on. Sometimes just a fun quip, sometimes a thought.
Since then I've been pretty much up to my neck in Christmas preparations, sleep and work. I have been given ZERO leeway this game, compared to others who have barely posted.

tl:dr
Lynch me if you want.

I have claimed that I have a PR, but I have not claimed what yet. I was actually worried about revealing too much when I spoke to Atheotes when he was PR fishing earlier.

you are not up for lynch today. Ppl have backed off since you claimed. But what are the odds that you will be alive tomorrow? thats why i would like to see some reads from you.

[Cass_]

These two posts still don't sit well with me

Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?

[Sooh]

Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:

OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.

Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.

Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.

Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto

Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
Vote: El Barto

He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.

Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?

[Cass_]

unvote
Vote: Winston Hughes

Can you give all your reasons why pls?

[Monstrdude]

On Zack vs. Jabbz:

Zack knows that most people struggle to adapt to a new meta, and that this makes them vulnerable to misunderstanding, overreaction, and any number of other traps that can lead to a mislynch.

Jabbz has shown confidence in his standard meta (even if he hasn't explained it very well), and a willingness to engage with people who are self-evidently very capable players.

I'd neither trust nor lynch either at this stage, but right now it's Zack who's trending scummier for me.

Mindmeld, but why for you and is this simply tinfoil/is it even relevant to try and assess those possi-connections/setups right now with 30-45mins to try and find top scum to vote given the rest of his content?

Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game

I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.

At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons

At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now

The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.

[atheotes]

Pushes feel simple and unsubstantiated at this point of the game and in terms of his content. This "all caught up" post caught my eye:



He FOSes GH for voting for Zack for chancellor and himself representative, because that's a good place to be, FOSes Renata and Monty for TMI. I didn't see anything up until then about why El Barto or myself should be in his scum reads. I had one short conversation with him, the one I quoted earlier when I said he was fishing for PRs.Don't know why he would think that would make me scummy as he didn't say if it was that or something else that made me scummy in his eyes.

Atheotes? What were you thinking at this point in time?

You had made a few posts but there was no content.

[Winston Hughes]

How do you tell the difference between Town/Scum El Barto ?

Lynch him and see what the host says is standard procedure.

But I do feel his contribution here has lacked town intent even by his usual standards, and this after he's shown glimpses of actual town play in a game or two more recently.

Why El Barto over other scummy reads?

As per my previous post, I've not placed him over other scummy reads, I've just not changed my vote.

[Renata]

Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. @Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? @Schema, where's your vote? @dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?

[Sooh]

You had made a few posts but there was no content.

You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?

[Cuthillius]

cuth how do you sleep at night?

why on earth do you think I am scum, what in GODS NAME is wrong with my push on Sooh.

GO READ WHAT I QUOTED AND REFUTE ANY SINGLE PART OF IT.

I want you to TELL ME that the 25 posts of absolute NOTHING in relation to the game at hand is villagery. PLEASE. Tell me it is how a villager plays the game. From someone who is up to date and continually catches up and provides absolutely ZERO relevant thoughts on the game state at numerous times.

And you think I am a wolf pushing that for ????????????????????????????? reasons?

TELL ME HOW SHE IS A VILLAGER FROM THE POSTS SHE HAS MADE.

I didn't want to go all caps, but you seem to be interested in showcasing some serious performance art, so please, show me.

i was taking issue with your stance of only/most noticable person without towny posts>scum

i think that position is contrived

particularly given that i personally am seeing sooh's normal behavior

and i'm not becoming less convinced that you're scum

but mostly not because of the push

[Monstrdude]

Ugh at that District 1 representative voting. @Dp101 why on earth are you voting for Cuthilius for this? @Schema, where's your vote? @dicetosser1 would you consider voting for dp instead so I can at least have one of my town reads get the job?

DON'T LISTEN TO RENATA IT'S A TRAP

Listen to me and do what Renata says

[Cass_]

Entire Csargo ISO

Vote: Montmorency

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Sooh

I feel your pain.

This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.

unvote, Vote: Cass_

@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

[Monstrdude]

Visor, cuth is a Probable Villager (TM)

[Monstrdude]

Entire Csargo ISO






This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.






@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

I thought Csargo was Csarmi but he's probably not

[Renata]

Entire Csargo ISO






This was wrt content/volume being brain melting.






@Csargo

The brain-melting I get, but where is the rest of your content?

Why are Monty and Winston Town/worthy of being representative to you?

Why me for Chancellor?

Thoughts on anyone else?



@everyone else

Does Csargo play like this as Town?

Probably. It's been years, but I remember extreme low posting.

[Sooh]

Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.

Which part was ballsy?

[Cuthillius]

How have you been anything like mike in this game anyways

again

or maybe not again given i didn't go into this as much earlier

he is going after people less like a bitter pedantic normal visor

i genuinely don't think he believes what he's saying

his arguments and defenses of himself sounds like he thinks sooh is scummy but that he knows he's scum

and it does feel a tiniest bit cftwr to me

[Sooh]

Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?

[Renata]

Right now this is shaping up as Visor (2 votes) vs Cuthilius (1 vote), with little to do for the third rep to do but agree or not agree on Cuthilius deserving death. I don't like this; neither of them should be reps IMO.

[Renata]

Somebody please tell me why Atheotes is being considered town?

IMO townie tone later on.

[Monstrdude]

Vote: monstrman

I will vote as my people command

I am the vessel on which we will glide safely to victory

A bro you can trust

A vote for me is a vote for democracy

[Sooh]

IMO townie tone later on.

Examples?

[Cass_]

Because they're two long posts that say "I have no feelings one way or the other" about like every player in the game

I mean, he even uses the same spiel when talking about Zack too "I'd trust nor lynch either" but just goes in the opposite direction saying Zack is scum. The point about Jabbz uses a meta crutch then offers nothing else of investigative value.

At best, it looks like pushing a bunch of townies on thin reasons

At worst idk. If he's a villager, odds are he's right on someone that he's pushing because he's not being listened to or pushed right now

The problem is he seems to tie into a Renata/visor team and I'm fairly certain that's just impossible.

I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'

Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?

I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.

Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.

[atheotes]

Can you give all your reasons why pls?

Looks like Al sips is a no show and you can choose yourself as the rep. Who are you going to vote for?

Jabbz /Winston Hughes
GeneralHankerchief/Montmorency/El Barto /
Sooh* / Schema

Amoung your wolf tier, I dont want you to lynch Jabbz, Winston or Sooh. I am null on Schema.