I'm glad to know that my pushing of two flipped mafia in one phase is enough to buy me exactly one day of goodwill. :wings:
Good. I am not usually this generous.
12-08-2019, 18:56
GeneralHankerchief
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Insaner
This is a fallacy.
There's other wagonomics-related reasons too, but I'm annoyed at this point and just wanted to get my thoughts down. Will get more into detail about it when I get back but I really don't deserve the treatment that I'm getting from exactly you right now considering how my D1 and would greatly appreciate it if you recognized my contributions and started looking elsewhere.
12-08-2019, 18:58
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
gh has a point that egix just makes the most sense from every PoV
also it does look like he doesn't care about who the wolves are
but I find some of the things he is saying kinda villagery?
we shall see
12-08-2019, 18:59
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
i have a kind of uneasy setting that im getting set up for a mislynch, but its hard 2 tell bc i was pretty wrong on d1 and its understandable to have doubts
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
12-08-2019, 19:01
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by ladd
talk to me about:
newyin
dya
cuth
soemone has a strong read on any of them?
I think newyn is good! maybe its dumb reasoning but i feel it. can try 2 pull up posts
12-08-2019, 19:03
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
unvote
should be back for another round of posting in abit
after that I am full of meetings tomorrow so I'll barely be able to post probably, but will try to sneak in for the last couple of hours of the day if manage
rest of the week should be a bit better
12-08-2019, 19:22
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
newyn stuff
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
12-08-2019, 19:47
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by merl1n
newyn stuff
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
alrighty, thanks
I am not sure how much of this is super indicative (in particular I think 4 means nothing and it s actually kinda wolfy) but I do kinda dig point #2
12-08-2019, 19:57
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by ladd
alrighty, thanks
I am not sure how much of this is super indicative (in particular I think 4 means nothing and it s actually kinda wolfy) but I do kinda dig point #2
i think the way #3 played out is v good for him, if u read back through that
i paid the most attn to ppl who didnt end on a confirmed bad in my reread (newyn, egix, choxorn, logic) bc it makes sense for a starting point
because I didn't know who el-barto was and he mentioned earlier in the game he had played with me before
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Originally Posted by ladd
can you explain this read, dya?
I don't think barto iso was empty at all
I read the first half of it before it was 5 minutes to EOD and had to stop. Empty meaning very little content. Felt like a lot of talking about nothing
12-08-2019, 20:16
Logic
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by merl1n
id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Quick answer:
Scum almost certainly had a village counterwagon at some point. You should be looking more closely at the D1 Ladd voters, especially when he was in serious contention.
It's not foolproof, but the odds are slim that Ladd is also scum.
12-08-2019, 20:19
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Logic
Quick answer:
Scum almost certainly had a village counterwagon at some point. You should be looking more closely at the D1 Ladd voters, especially when he was in serious contention.
It's not foolproof, but the odds are slim that Ladd is also scum.
I think merl1n's point is that they in fact didn't.
12-08-2019, 20:20
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
need a live playerlist if anyone has one.
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
Dead 3/17:
9. Pzelda, Princess, Mafia, lynched D1.
15. Empoof, Priest, Town, died N1.
3. El Barto, Diviner, Mafia, died N1.
thanks insaner
Town
Montmorency
Zack
ladd
insaner
lean town
fable
merl1n
GH
logic
null
Chox
csargo
cuth
egix
newyn
lean wolf
wolf
I obviously have some work to do today to work out what to do with my null section. And yeah, i'm aware of chox' claim
12-08-2019, 20:25
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
It looks like you can't save more than 7 multiquotes at a time here? uhhhh
12-08-2019, 20:25
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by ladd
agree merl1n is posting well today
what you think abiut cuth dya?
he's someone I consistently have a hard time reading and I usually let others do it. I'll be looking at his posts hopefully in a bit.
12-08-2019, 20:30
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?
12-08-2019, 20:33
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Csargo
I'm still reading through the thread, I've had a busy few days, but my impressions so far:
Zack's opening was strong, but that's to be expected, Zack's a strong player. I'm hesitant to prematurely say he's town, but everything points in that direction. He spews sunshine and rainbows.
Empoof seems in a similar vein to Zack, nothing gives me pause about their play so far. Though I'm not familiar with Empoof's play in general, but from my perspective it's all been good so far.
I'm okay with merl1n, Insaner, and Logic overall. I don't particularly think Insaner's "I'm townier, answer my question." was productive, but to each their own. Other than that I haven't read anything from Insaner that would make me think negatively. merl1n just seems pure and engaged, it's refreshing, nothing negative to say about any of their contributions honestly. Logic's opening was meh, but his recent postings were pretty good I thought, and that makes me think he's town.
I agree with Zack's meta read of Barto's behavior, generally I'd expect Barto to vote Insaner there. It probably doesn't mean much, but it seemed cautious to me, which is unexpected from Barto. I might be reading too much into it though.
GH's opening bothered me initially, a bit generic maybe? or just fell flat with me I'm not sure exactly how to describe it. Plus his interaction with Zack about Insaner seemed odd to me. I generally agree with what he posted this morning, so I'm a bit torn overall about how to feel.
Monty is an enigma. I'm not sure how to feel about him currently.
I don't have much else, but I'll continue reading.
tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.
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Originally Posted by Csargo
My reads on people who I don't have much or any experience playing with are extremely tentative. I'm not terribly confident nor is my track record terribly good in such cases. I have trouble reading generally in mafia games, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is I'm bad :sweatdrop:
he even talks about that here
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Originally Posted by Csargo
Vote: El Barto
good vote though
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Don't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.
but again, he's afraid to clear people
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Feel like Egix or Choxorn should be lynched today. Choxorn's hard to read in my experience, and I don't know anything about Egix. I read Choxorn's iso yesterday and wasn't impressed I guess you'd say and what you've posted of Egix doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what to make of ladd at this point. I want to give them some amount of credit for putting the damning vote on zelda, but looking at the vote count at the end makes that hard for me. I wouldn't vote them anytime soon though.
Felt like merl1n was good on my initial read through, and haven't really seen anything to change my mind so far other than being off the two main wagons yesterday.
Don't know anything about Newyn and nothing has stood out to me about them so far.
I'm 90% certain Logic is town. I'm pretty alright with saying you, Zack, and Insaner are town.
I feel like Cuth is playing different from what I remember about their play, so it's up in the air.
I have no read on Dya, other than zelda vote is good.
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction
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Originally Posted by Csargo
I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.
This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
12-08-2019, 20:34
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by merl1n
can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?
don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real
12-08-2019, 20:36
GeneralHankerchief
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by dyachei
don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real
I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?
12-08-2019, 20:39
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?
I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there
12-08-2019, 20:40
GeneralHankerchief
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by dyachei
I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there
I called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.
12-08-2019, 20:42
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
Don't mind me, this took a while to fetch so I'm just saving it here for my own perusal so it doesn't get lost :hide:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Csargo
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Sup everyone.
Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.
Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.
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Also to honor this site's heritage I'm going to exclusively use townspeak.
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Calling things town/mafia/scum etc instead of "w*lf/v*llager" etc.
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Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)
If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?
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I don't mind Insaner so far.
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oh boy here we go again
Talk to me about why? Seems like he's just kind of easing into the flow of things and trying to dig into something he's not sure about.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Checking in, haven't read since last night, won't be able to until tomorrow. Apologies.
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Morning.
Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:
Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.
Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.
dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.
I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.
Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less :daisy:posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. :book2: (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)
Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.
I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.
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> "This is more of a 'I like Monty for town' read than a 'I like Barto for scum' read"
> GH is totally holding onto that Barto scumread amirite
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I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
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Confirming this.
Taking a few hours off to get my head straight and then I'll dive in here.
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Logic's town, consider this locked in.
Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.
ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.
I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.
Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:
It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.
Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.
Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:
Logic
Fable
Zack
Insaner
Monty
ladd
--- town line ---
Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix
Empoof
Choxorn
--- null/idk line ---
merl1n
El Barto
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Not actually sure how much I like El Barto at the bottom but I don't really have the energy to try to find a different non-Monty lynch right now in my null territory.
Vote: El Barto
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Ok.
Vote: PZelda
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Honestly, I'd probably describe it as Not Your Town Game and then go into the process of describing your town game.
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Straight up, I'm a bit annoyed that Insaner was like "I HAVE A PERFECT READ ON PZELDA AND HE IS ALWAYS MAFIA HERE" and then immediately walked it back to "well I've read him right 2 out of 3 games" but whatever, riding with this for now.
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Ah no, Voxx and I were DMing about something at the time and he asked me to do one. I forgot I even made it until this very moment.
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Consider the alliance sealed.
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EST+1 I believe, maybe 2.
Last I was aware he was in South America.
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I've read the pzelda iso for myself and am officially signing off on that wagon beyond "I'll sheep Insaner on it". My main problem can be best summarized by this post:
There is no attempt at following up on this. There is no hint of an attempt at following up on this. There's clarifications, a good bit about talking about MU people and meta and anything besides actual reads and takes on people, but there's very little actual solving spirit, and in my experience people making statements similar to the bolded and going absolutely nowhere with them is a pretty reliable scumtell.
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ISOing is similar to POG, dya.
Gotta go back to the Gameroom index, click on the number of posts, and click on the person's postcount in the window that pops up. One of the sticky threads (the offsite guide) provides pictoral help.
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Pretty much same.
Would feel kinda bad about Choxorn going down but that's mostly because I think I can get him with another day. Would certainly prefer him to ladd if it comes to it.
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Got any mafia? Top town? Why?
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Re: Choxorn
There's a concept about him on this set of communities (org, cfc, etc) called the Choxorn Line where anybody below his post count is officially labeled a slanker and anyone above him is ok.
Which is a roundabout way of saying yeah he's kind of a lowposter regardless of alignment, which is part of why I'm somewhat gun-shy on going for him today. His actual post content is mildly concerning, but the volume is not. Not yet, anyway.
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Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.
Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?
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Did you see later on where I ISO'd pzelda and started scumreading him on my own?
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:stupido:
Vote: Choxorn
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Here, Insaner.
Click through to read the quote within.
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NAI, I think.
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Give him a day, I think.
Though if it ends up being you/him then I'm going for him.
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Already planning the nightkill, eh.
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I'm hopping off in a couple minutes back on pzelda, FYI.
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I'm gonna laugh so hard when it's Choxorn and he flips something like "Mafia N1 ONLY vig".
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Vote: pzelda
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pzelda > choxorn >>>>>>> el barto >> ladd
in order of preference
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Looks like the cavalry arrived just in time, team. :charge:
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Feeling decent. Glad to be back here.
GL, here's hoping.
12-08-2019, 20:43
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.
Honestly, that didn't really register to me and I just reread your iso the other day lol. I was more focused on your interactions with flipped wolves
move logic to null pile then
12-08-2019, 20:56
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Choxorn
Yes. Are you?
Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.
kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment
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Originally Posted by Choxorn
Had a chance to go look back through the thread again, and yeah, it's mainly been Zack and Empoof pushing Barto, as well as ladd, (so, 2 of Insaner's townreads and 1 scumread), with a few others occasionally mentioning him (and Monty's voting for him now, of course). Not really sure why Insaner thinks Barto is spewed town by "all these wolfy people" going after him. Ladd going after Barto certainly doesn't mean he can't be scum, or that those two couldn't be scumbuddies.
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto
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Originally Posted by Choxorn
I don't think I can really defend how crappy I was yesterday- I'm busy IRL a lot and don't always pay enough attention and that turns into me being way too inactive.
Current thoughts: Zack is lock town, merl1n, Insaner, ladd, GH, and Fable are all likely town, lots of the thread looks somewhere between town and scum to me. Looks like lots of folks wanna lynch either me or Egix today based on how we acted yesterday, and I also thought he was suspicious yesterday- but I also tracked him doing nothing last night, which is far from clearing but is certainly a point in his favor.
Really need to read things a bit more to get a stronger idea of who's scummy, I'll get to that later but for now I need to go eat dinner.
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
12-08-2019, 21:05
dyachei
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
A couple logic posts:
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Originally Posted by Logic
I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
kind of like that he at least looks willing to delve more into reading cuth
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Originally Posted by Logic
Quarter-assed sort by postcount reads
I feel like I should have a better read on Zack besides null considering he's got 60 some-odd posts. I'll be watching this one some more.
I've currently got Insaner as my top town. He's playing like he's bulletproof; questioning people left and right.
I'm sticking with my Empoof is town read until forced to reevaluate. Nothing yet tells me to rethink that.
Ladd feels like his pushes are entirely too easy, and his defenses of things feel the wrong kind of dismissive. Vote: Ladd
See my comments regarding Zack for the same feelings towards GH.
I didn't really get the suspicion of Monty, so I ISO'ed him. Upon reading it myself, I could see that as a wolf. I'd rather give him time, but he get's a slight scumlean today.
I think this post kind of reminds me of how I felt d1 with the exception of Zack and ladd.
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
Also kind of like this post. feels like it would be way too blatant to do as a wolf. But I also like the points he was talking about and the way he was looking into ladd
light town
12-08-2019, 21:27
Montmorency
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Egix
Just to be safe ;)
h/t
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Originally Posted by merl1n
id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Barto did, unless you believe he calculated it at the last minute as anti-spew. Doesn't seem like Bart but idk. But there were those other reasons I and GH mentioned.
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I'm always town here for two reasons: First of all, while I wasn't on Barto quite as early as Zack, I too quickly pointed out a discrepancy in one of his earliest comments and would have explored it further were the f3 in my other game (now concluded) not about to start. Secondly, I consistently voted for and pushed the two mafiosi pretty much all day yesterday, always ranking Barto ahead of Monty in my personal "lynch preference" list, jumping to PZelda, independently isoing PZelda and providing further ammunition to the fire, and ultimately ending up on him. I briefly switched to Chox, yes, but that was mostly out of deference to Empoof trying for some wagonomics and I was always intending to end back up on PZelda, as I think I made pretty clear over the course of EOD1. I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.
One point I dislike is leaning on ISOs of scum. When I had to bus you and Zack in Chess, I went to feverish lengths to ISO you (but in an authentic way). Also, the "once Egix flips" line stirs some unspecified deja vu in me; I'm tilted.
What would you do in a F3 between you, me, and Choxorn?
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Originally Posted by merl1n
thats dumb. ppl can be wrong and still be good.
:bounce:
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
There's other wagonomics-related reasons too, but I'm annoyed at this point and just wanted to get my thoughts down. Will get more into detail about it when I get back but I really don't deserve the treatment that I'm getting from exactly you right now considering how my D1 and would greatly appreciate it if you recognized my contributions and started looking elsewhere.
You said you had comments about Choxorn and night kills at the beginning of the day.
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Originally Posted by dyachei
Town
Montmorency
Zack
Suck it Zaccino! :clown:
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Originally Posted by dyachei
Also kind of like this post. feels like it would be way too blatant to do as a wolf. But I also like the points he was talking about and the way he was looking into ladd
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Originally Posted by Logic
@ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
light town
Hmm, that's actually kind of a pinging post. I feel like Logic calling out a player for easy pushes and dismissive defenses is SLIGHT scum equity. Concerning that he only really talked about his top town reads plus this one scum push, that he has recanted today (for good reason).
What I would be looking for is who he targets for potential scumreads once he can buckle down, and how. Comment, Hankerchief?
12-08-2019, 21:30
Zack
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
12-08-2019, 21:36
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
I would like to preface this by saying that this post is NOT intended to be a scum case on GH. What I aim to do with this post is call the narrative of "GH pushed two wolves on D1" into question. In fact, based on a reread of his D1 iso I can't say that he pushed anybody on D1. Zack pushed for El Barto to be lynched. I pushed for pzelda to be lynched. Everybody else on those wagons was a follower.
El Barto quotes:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Sup everyone.
Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.
Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)
If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Morning.
Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:
Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.
Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.
dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.
I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.
Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less :daisy:posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. :book2: (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)
Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.
I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
> "This is more of a 'I like Monty for town' read than a 'I like Barto for scum' read"
> GH is totally holding onto that Barto scumread amirite
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Logic's town, consider this locked in.
Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.
ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.
I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.
Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:
It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.
Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.
Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:
Logic
Fable
Zack
Insaner
Monty
ladd
--- town line ---
Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix
Empoof
Choxorn
--- null/idk line ---
merl1n
El Barto
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Not actually sure how much I like El Barto at the bottom but I don't really have the energy to try to find a different non-Monty lynch right now in my null territory.
Vote: El Barto
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Got any mafia? Top town? Why?
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.
Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?
His early callout on Barto was A Thing™. But later he walked it back to "it's not that Barto is a wolf but rather that Monty is a villager" and even denied holding a wolf read on Barto to my face. Doesn't mention him in his next post where he puts wolf leans on 3 other people (Choxorn, merl1n, Empoof). Has Barto as the lowest placed person on his next readlist and votes him in the next post but still doesn't provide a compelling reason for the scum read.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Got any mafia? Top town? Why?
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.
Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?
The only interaction he had with Barto at EoD was that question. After which he made this sneaky attempt to OPPORTUNISTICALLY™ turn the lynch on me, his supposed town read, whom he was sheeping on pzelda, his supposed wolf read.
pzelda quotes:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Morning.
Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:
Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.
Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.
dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.
I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.
Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less :daisy:posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. :book2: (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)
Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.
I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Logic's town, consider this locked in.
Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.
ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.
I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.
Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:
It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.
Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.
Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:
Logic
Fable
Zack
Insaner
Monty
ladd
--- town line ---
Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix
Empoof
Choxorn
--- null/idk line ---
merl1n
El Barto
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Ok.
Vote: PZelda
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Straight up, I'm a bit annoyed that Insaner was like "I HAVE A PERFECT READ ON PZELDA AND HE IS ALWAYS MAFIA HERE" and then immediately walked it back to "well I've read him right 2 out of 3 games" but whatever, riding with this for now.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I've read the pzelda iso for myself and am officially signing off on that wagon beyond "I'll sheep Insaner on it". My main problem can be best summarized by this post:
There is no attempt at following up on this. There is no hint of an attempt at following up on this. There's clarifications, a good bit about talking about MU people and meta and anything besides actual reads and takes on people, but there's very little actual solving spirit, and in my experience people making statements similar to the bolded and going absolutely nowhere with them is a pretty reliable scumtell.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm hopping off in a couple minutes back on pzelda, FYI.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: pzelda
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
pzelda > choxorn >>>>>>> el barto >> ladd
in order of preference
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Feeling decent. Glad to be back here.
GL, here's hoping.
He straight up doesn't mention pzelda at all in his first two read posts and then puts him into a null pile in the third one. Immediately votes him after I claim to have a god read on Capage, but wasn't pleased with the situation when I later walked it back later. Ended up voting pzelda there at the end.
In summary: GH only ever spoke negatively about each of the flipped wolves, but to say that he pushed for any of them to be lynched is a stretch. There are posts where he is seen wolf reading them and being willing to vote there, but I haven't found any attempts to actually reinforce either of those wagons.
12-08-2019, 21:50
GeneralHankerchief
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
12-08-2019, 22:54
Fable
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
GTH move egix and dya up a tier
12-08-2019, 22:57
merl1n
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
12-08-2019, 22:59
Fable
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by merl1n
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
I think it's NAI and idk who else wolves are maybe cuth and newyn
12-08-2019, 22:59
Fable
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by dyachei
fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
I have to read it lol.
12-08-2019, 23:06
Montmorency
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
I'm speaking my truth.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
hmmm
12-09-2019, 00:32
Cuthillius
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
12-09-2019, 02:39
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Cuthillius
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
wolfy
back to sleep
12-09-2019, 05:35
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
I just don't buy that's what you have to say in this gamestate
esp the line about me is just so cliché and shows 0 interest in actually solving the game
12-09-2019, 06:24
Csargo
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by dyachei
tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.
he even talks about that here
good vote though
but again, he's afraid to clear people
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
I can't really argue against the hedgy af, because it's true. It comes from a lack of confidence in my reads because I haven't played in a while.
I'm not sure what you mean by I'm afraid to clear people? I don't trust Monty in general, but I think he's town now from what I've seen today. In the post you called safe I said I was alright with calling Zack, GH, and Insaner town, which is basically I wouldn't vote there outside of extraordinary circumstances or they really took a nosedive with their posts. That's probably the closest I'd come to clearing anybody. Because now I kinda want to vote GH.
Cool. My feelings are safe.
I'm a bundle of confusing.
You are the first person to not call me rand/null this game, congrats!
El barto is usually more carefree posting in my experience with him as town, but like I said in the first post you quoted he seemed cautious. I didn't really have anything else and that really didn't seem like much at the time.
12-09-2019, 06:24
Csargo
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
Vote:Cuth
12-09-2019, 07:46
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
cuth, what did you like about monty posts that made you soften on the wolf read there?
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
I mean that's pretty much it, I'm inactive, which leads to playing like crap
Idk, Egix? Cuth? Maybe Csargo?
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Originally Posted by dyachei
kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
My switch on ladd was based largely on the way the wagons played out at EoD and seeing pzelda and Barto flip scum. I saw ladd as maybe a little scummy yesterday but if he's scum then the top 3 wagons day 1 were all scum which seems highly unlikely to me.
12-09-2019, 12:03
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
Didn't expect to see my post completely ignored. Oh well. At least it looks like everyone is on board with the Cuth lynch.
Vote: Cuth
After this flips wolf and I die on N2, you all know who to lynch next.
This was the vote count when Cuth switched to El Barto.
The reason he gave also gives him very little cred for the El Barto flip.
Do you guys seriously thinking that Cuth is a good lynch today?
Cuth says he doesn't bus and that he hates it, but he busses literally every game I've played with him
Cue him saying it's just a coincidence. Mhm, sure it is
12-09-2019, 13:01
Newyn
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
Cuth says he doesn't bus and that he hates it, but he busses literally every game I've played with him
Cue him saying it's just a coincidence. Mhm, sure it is
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
12-09-2019, 13:02
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
Oh wait, the wolves are probably killing one of Choxorn and that tonight. Which only means that I will be there to tell you about how much of a wolf GH is!
I kinda hope there aren't any 3p lol. I have 0 clue how to hunt them.
12-09-2019, 13:03
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Newyn
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
Why do the wolves ever bus?
12-09-2019, 13:03
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Insaner
Oh wait, the wolves are probably killing one of Choxorn and that tonight. Which only means that I will be there to tell you about how much of a wolf GH is!
I kinda hope there aren't any 3p lol. I have 0 clue how to hunt them.
One of Choxorn and Zack lol. Brain wtf
12-09-2019, 13:05
Zack
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Newyn
Yes, Cuth can bus but unless the remaining wolves are exactly Ladd + Cuth what does Cuth gain from bussing there over just coordinating with his two wolf buddies to switch to Ladd?
A lot of wolves don't want to be on a terrible d1 mislynch of a strong villager
Barto was already more or less dead weight by that point anyways. Might as well grab some cred for it
12-09-2019, 13:07
Newyn
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Insaner
Why do the wolves ever bus?
Wolves usually have something to gain from bussing. I can't see what Cuth stands to gain there if Ladd isn't also a wolf and I just don't think Ladd is a wolf atm so I don't see a world where Cuth is ever a wolf in that situation.
12-09-2019, 13:08
Zack
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
I'm only willing to give so much leeway for a vote like that
Cuth is a busser and his posts aren't that villagy (the ones this day phase are pretty bad imo). I frankly just don't care that much if he voted barto. It's not like he was pushing him or driving the wagon. I dunno why it's such a big deal to you
12-09-2019, 13:08
Insaner
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Newyn
Wolves usually have something to gain from bussing. I can't see what Cuth stands to gain there if Ladd isn't also a wolf and I just don't think Ladd is a wolf atm so I don't see a world where Cuth is ever a wolf in that situation.
What Zack said.
12-09-2019, 13:09
Zack
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
That's fallacious, wolves bus for terrible reasons all the time
12-09-2019, 13:11
Newyn
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
A lot of wolves don't want to be on a terrible d1 mislynch of a strong villager
Barto was already more or less dead weight by that point anyways. Might as well grab some cred for it
If he built a case against El Barto, sure but his reasoning for voting for El Barto if he gets lynched there gives him about as much cred as my reasoning for voting for El Barto - absolutely zero.
12-09-2019, 13:11
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan
Ladd, why did you think empoof was a pr?
his behaviour, specifically at EoD with the medic stuff, I thought was pretty PRy
12-09-2019, 13:12
Zack
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
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Originally Posted by Newyn
If he built a case against El Barto, sure but his reasoning for voting for El Barto if he gets lynched there gives him about as much cred as my reasoning for voting for El Barto - absolutely zero.
Says the guy giving him tons of cred for it?
12-09-2019, 13:13
ladd
Re: 04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread
newyin, so no wolf bussed iyo?
like unless the team is egix/chox someone bussed which is perfectly understandable goven the situation wplves were in
