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Night is lagging and it's my fault. Will post before work. Apologies for the delay.
NIGHT SEVEN
The next morning, they found the remains of Secura. Her mouth was full of Pepperoni. There were slices of pepperoni stuffed into her nose and ears. She was bloated with pepperoni and it oozed out of every orifice. She was not a happy camper. In fact, she was little more than dead meat. Dead, spicy meat.
However, they also found TheLastDays not too far away. And it seemed that his body had been pushed halfway through a meat grinder.... and his remains were being turned into sausage. He was not a happy camper. In fact, he was little more than dead, spicy meat.
Askthepizzaguy: "Now witness the true horror of the heretic's ways. The great Pizza brings ingredients together.... but these villains who obsess over a certain kind of ingredient at the expense of all the others are vile, murderous, intolerant, militant supremacists. Repent now if you are part of these cults. Repent, or die!"
They pondered his words, and soon, each remaining member of the sausage cult had renounced their heretic ways.
But it was not over.... their nightmare had only just begun.
Alive:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
Dead:
issaikhaan- Far, far too pretty for the likes of you :snobby:
Captain Blackadder- Permanently cured of headaches :eyebrows:
Mr. Stuka- Boom, boom, boom.... even brighter than the moon, moon, moon. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/pissed.gif
Believer- Died going against the grain. :grin:
Populus Romanus- Askthepizzaguy rules! :wideeyed:
Diamondeye- He was a paper tiger. :7scubadiver:
Ibn-Khaldun- Had other commitments and asked to leave the game. :book:
Romanic- Has joined the choir invisible.... with sausage. :angel:
Secura- She made this game less of a sausage-fest.... and yet, made it even more of a sausage-fest. :chef:
TheLastDays- These were his last days. :skull:
DAY EIGHT
Vote: classical_hero, most of the others are, in my eyes absolved of all sins, and my eyes, and more importantly hands know what they're dealing with.
As promised, I sold out a Sausage member last round, and this round I shall vote for a Pepperoni. According to what was discussed in the Pepperoni QT, Arpegg was the last sausage recruit (and the last recruit altogether) and now he is back to being townie.
The Pepperonis did not recruit last round, they re-recruited someone already in the clan as damage control in case that person was stolen, because most of their recruits had either been pulled away to Sausage or back to town (or lynched). This means Arpegg is definitely a vanilla townie, and he was the sole member to survive from the clan and go back to being a townie. The Last Days was a double agent who kept getting pulled back and forth between the clans through recruiting. I do not know why he was killed other than the Sausages obviously thought he was a Pepperoni leader. He may have been, I don't know, although the obituary does not say like it does for the others. Secura was clearly killed by the Pepperoni leadership since she was a sausage.
My strongest suspect is currently Classical Hero, based on exchanges with the "leadership" in the QT. I am essentially committing mutiny and requesting to be recruited back to a townie. The 2nd in command may have already been lynched (DE?), and may have been sold out to the Sausages by The Last Days. With C_H gone, the town should win after the lynch. If there is a 2nd Pepperoni leader, there may be another murder on the night phase and at that point we are cutting it way too close.
This has to come out in the open. Someone seems to have made a secret second account just so send me this message.
Since this was done in secret to me I have no idea who exactly is this player, so you can look for the name to know that I am not :daisy:ing you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrequited
Right now I don't have a good clue about is cult or not. But I have had a hunch about vote:GeneralHandkerchief for awhile.
Vote: Classical Hero
After the above post by C_H, unvote
The author of that message says "your cult." What cult were you a part of and how did you get back to being a townie, or are you still a pepperoni?
I have never been cult so I have always been townie.
I might as well put a big target no back now, since the other remaining cultist, most likely the source of the PM will not try and kill me as a result of me saying that.
My message worked, even if the method was dishonorable.
I will explain the reasoning behind the kill once the game ends, but there's a reason why I didn't choose our main suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
The question is, why would the other cult even bother killing now? They can continue a cycle of lynching one of the town, recruiting the other until everyone is Pepperoni; if the game continued, that would indicate an unrecruitable townie still lives and that would necessitate a kill. Otherwise, it's plain sailing.Quote:
If there is a 2nd Pepperoni leader, there may be another murder on the night phase and at that point we are cutting it way too close.
I have to say that I think that a town victory is the best course of action now (and I want you to win), if only for the fact that the Pepperoni Cult Leader is very, very undeserving of victory, for reasons I'll touch on at the end of the game.
My opinion may count for little as a dead cultist, but we strongly believed that classical_hero was the leader; I encourage both the former Sausages and the current Pepperonis to vote for him and win the game for yourselves rather than his cult.
This is a lie; the rules state (as MRD has reiterated) that kills will only begin once everyone that can be recruited has been at least once. Obviously you realised this mistake and edited your post to make yourself look more genuine, since there's no stronger claim than that of an unrecruitable townie, right? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I liked your style, though the reasons that TLD was killed were not based on your message, s'about all I can say. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrequited
What's the vote count?
If everyone has voted an hour from now, or let's be fair, 6 people have voted and it's not a tie, then the round is over.
My call is if 5 or less have voted, I'll give an extension. I'm off to work rather shortly so I won't be here for the 24-hour mark deadline.
Either decide or use the above to get an extension.
Back to square one
Vote: Classical Hero
Sorry, MRD. You were right to be paranoid. I'm the town recruiter, and I'm pretty sure we have the numbers on you. More importantly, we definitely have your identity, and you're the last of the original cult leaders. The sausage cult is dead. The pepperoni cult was you and TheLastDays. You sacrificed him to get the information on the sausages, but it didn't quite work out. It's been a matter of choosing my time, and I think this is it.
vote: MRD
(I apologize tremendously for the issue with the deadline by the way. I lost track of it AGAIN. I wouldn't have saved it so "late" if I'd known; it's cheesy and not in the nice Pizza-y goodness way, either.)
For the townies, here is the evidence:
On TLD, here is post 29 of the pepperoni QT:
It is signed by "Propagandist", one of the original cult leaders.Quote:
Well I don't think that Renata meant to not give out the QT link but to "mask" our recruits, giving them codenames in here although for those we've already mentioned it won't make any difference now...
Still, after thinking about it I guess it's worth to consider for the future...
Here is post 43, by TheLastDays, The Boss' second "recruit" (I was the first):
See the ellipses? It's a tic of TLD's.Quote:
WEll I guess it makes sense to reveal who I am, since I seem to be so popular in this game...
I've been recruited the night before, by the other cult... And now this night you guys recruited me, fun times ^^
If you want to lanch GH I guess it's easy for me to vote for him again since I have already shown inthread that I didn't like his wagon on Blackadder...
Post 75
What's the point of telling TLD to be careful if he's a real recruit? This is just for show.Quote:
Guys, guys (and Renata of course), I walk out for a moment and all turns into a mess.
TLD, be careful. Now that people have actually voiced the opinion of you being a converted townie, this town converter might target you.
You seem to forget one thing though: The rules state that the killing will start when all recruitable players have been recruited at least once. So the townies that are recruited back to town will not slow down the way to killings.
Remember also the effort that TLD has been putting out all game, and how scummy he was.
And finally, what I thought for a time was a a bad MISTAKE from this team was actually strategy: they outed my name from the get-go despite knowing it would make me bait for any other recruiters who happened by (*cough*), because they wanted the cover (and the bait status) for TLD.
Now to Major Robert Dump. The first line of evidence is post 59 in the game thread. This is day one. See underlined.
As much as I hate PIS accusations ( :angel: ), that is one heck of an extrapolation to be making based on the information at hand. (It's not even consistent with most cults I've been a part of.) I would submit that MRD already knew that there were two leaders of each cult, and is trying to present it here as a logical deduction as opposed to inherent knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I call MRD on this myself in the QT (once I find out), and get this response from "The Boss" in post 28:
Nice hand-waving, right?Quote:
#59 is MRD grasping at straws like he does in his first postings in games. It usually gets him lynched because it makes people paranoid and he would be a good distraction vote if there weren't already a bandwagon going.
GH is a threat to us if he knows anything.
I'm interested in recruiting possibly Romanic, DiamondEye and/or TheLastDays.
As for people getting this QT and not being converted/stolen from the cult, we have taken this into consideration and concluded that the pros of group communication outweigh the cons. The cultists will be on a need to know status.
There are also a number of similarities in posting style that I won't bother to point out, since I also have stuff like this PM:
This was sent to me and Seon. If I'm wrong about either of the cult leaders, then Seon is probably the one we're looking for, but I don't think I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
Roll the dice.
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/nCPDbCPXbafR
Vote: classical_hero
We are looking for the Pepperoni Boss. Since Renata has so graciously provided the Pepperoni QT to all of us, this makes detective work easier to do. First, we'll start out with the list of currently living players:
Glancing at the QT for more than two seconds will prove that I am in no way affiliated with the Pepperoni cult, since they have tried to get me killed via one way or another throughout the entire game. It is also not Renata, the whistleblower on all of this. Robbiecon is out, as per "Boss"'s posts #91 and 92:Quote:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Classical_hero
GeneralHankerchief
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
Quote:
In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.
MRD is affiliated with the cult but not "Boss", as Renata has already pointed out. He's "Propagandist". This means we're down to three, Arpeggiate, classical_hero, and Seon.Quote:
Okay, Some of you seem easily confused :P So I will explain a little better.
GH and Robbie are townies. Maybe special townies. Minus the whole murder thing, townies are a bigger threat than cults because when we kill the other cult leader all his members will return to tonwie role and we may be outnumbered on votes. So next round I want to focus on townies: GH and Robbiecon. I don't care what pretext you use or how or when you do it, in fact, if they look likely to be lynched feel free to abstain or to vote for a fellow cultist as a decoy, just as long as one of those two gets killed.
We know that "Boss" has been a lurker for most of the game since, according to Post 118:
Also with this information, "Boss" reveals several times throughout the Quicktopic that he has children. This rules out Arpeggiate since he is an RL friend of Subotan, Subotan being a university student who has just finished up his freshman year at I believe Oxford. Assuming Arpeggiate and Subotan are even relatively close to the same age I find it extremely unlikely that Arpegg has at least two children. So we're down to C_H and Seon.Quote:
I need everyone to no :daisy: vote for GH today. I may actually vote for a change. He has to die
Let's turn back to Post 91 for a second:
"Boss" spelled my name "Handkerchief" - the correct way to do so, and not my intentional misspelling of the word as "Hankerchief" without a D. This is also not a onetime occurrence, as he does so again in Post 105:Quote:
In the meantime, General Handkerchief and Robbiecon are fair game on the lynch.
Where am I going with this?Quote:
This round, do not vote for DiamondEye, Seon, TLD or Renata. Vote for either General Handkerchief or Robbiecon.
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Originally Posted by classical_hero
Seon made no (mis)spellings of the word, and in addition C_H has voted for me twice more, here and here, the first of those being on July 4th which would ring true with his claim of "I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1" as per Post 121.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
There is also his claim of having been a "boss" in a game some months back which other people might be able to confirm, but in the meantime I think this is more than enough evidence that C_H is our boy.
By the way ATPG, do not delete the Pepperoni Quicktopic, as I'm probably going to bronze it for amusement's sake after the game. :laugh4:
Well played Renata.
However, basing TLDs identity on some ellepsis is a pretty far stretch. Also suggesting that the cult leader would contact you of all people directly and spill all beans to you is also a stretch.
I was recruited after you, but it has always been clear in the QT that they had plans for you from the beginning.
I am but a humble cultist acting as liasion for my leadership as I was given anonymous orders, while in the thread I pleaded to be recruited back to town. In the public QT I argued with the Leader in an effort to be distanced from the cult while being fed orders by the same person I was arguing with. All of my correspondence with you has been with the underlying notion that you may be the cult leader, or you may be a special town role, and if so I made statements and claims that you and only you can prove or disprove.
I have been playing both sides, willing to jump ship and go to another team on a whim, if it means I can survive a game for once. I knew the leader was planning on killing Secura last night, so I publicly defied him knowing it would buy me one more day and perhaps one of the pepperoni leaders would be killed or someone would recruit me back to town.
Hear you not my cry for help, yet you want to lynch me instead?
Are you one of the Pepperoni leaders, perhaps the 2nd in command? Suggesting that one Pepperoni leader is dead when in fact both are still alive is highly convenient for you and your boss, which lends merit to the ridiculous nature on which you base TLDs "role" as the propogandist. It also means if you can get someone else lynched and murdered for one more day your team will be almost unstoppable as you will still have at least 1 night kill remaining between the two of you.
This also explains why you PM'd me exactly 30 seconds after I posted in the QT that I knew who the Boss was. I waited until after night phase because I wanted to see if they would murder me, and then I came to you with the notion that I was the leader, a notion you were way too willing to buy off on despite evidence suggesting otherwise, probably because it was very convenient for covering your own butt.
Quote:
ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Classical_hero GENERALHANKY
GeneralHankerchief CLASSICAL
Major Robert Dump CLASSICAL
Renata MRD
Robbiecon CLASSICAL
Seon NO VOTE
Classical is the lynch leader with 3 votes. You have the extension due to lack of votes at the deadline.
In case I wasn't clear, C_H is still my primary suspect.
My secondaries used to be GH or Seon, but now it is Renata for the manner in which she bought into my claim of being the Pepperoni leader.
Here is a question: Why would I, as the leader, hand you guys Romanic knowing full well that the "Boss" was going to kill Secura during nightphase and therefore revert all the Sausage cultists back to town, stacking the cards against my clan with a sudden influx of townies?
I am going to unvote for now and read the QT and see what is going on. Is Renata giving out this QT a ploy to get people off her? IS GH being saying those things to get the suspicion of him? This game just got very much interesting.
Considering we are dealing with most likely a lurker who is trying to be the winning cultist I will say that vote:ArpeggiateTHIS is the most likely one to be the leader. I have rarely seen him post and it seems that he is very much lurking in this game and trying for the victory.
So classical_hero just made a new post in the QT as himself, saying "thanks to Renata for this". It made me realize that another strike against him was that the general timeframe he posted that generally corresponds that the times that "Boss" made his posts in the QT.
This is getting funny now. :laugh4:
Well today is a Saturday, so I am not at work. So that means I have time to be posting at that time, but when I have been working, which is from 12pm to 8m my time and sometime even later, it means that the Boss cannot be me since i do not have internet access at work and I can only ever post from home. The time that it equate to in the QT is 12am to 8am, since right now ET is 12 hours behind my time. So you can see from the below picture the time is 4:44am ET, which equates to 4:44pm my time, which means i would somehow would have posted that from a mobile device, which my current LG shine can't do, since I have tried to view the forums on my phone, but it is not smart enough to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Just go to the most recent post of the person caled the Boss to see his time, since ATPG does not allow screenshots, so he asked me to remove it. But since the link is above you can all see for yourselves.
So you can see that I could never have posted that, since I am a shift worker, so that means that ever two weeks I do one shift and then the next fortnight I do another shift, making my posting times erratic.
I have to a big hearty thanks to the cult leader for thinking so highly of me. He is doing his very best to set me up for the fall and I thank him for thinking so highly of me to have such an elaborate set up all aimed at getting rid of me. He must have figured out by now that I am an unrecruitable townie and doing his best to get rid of me by any means needed. I am truly grateful for being though of so highly, it is truly a great honour for such an elaborate scheme to be placed in trying to get me lynched. I am so honoured about that. That is why this QT has been leaked since it is now out of use, sin there have been no posts since Wednesday. So such a scheme needs a great defence, which is why I am doing something I rarely do and post a big long defence of myself. So lets have a look at the voting patterns.
Day one votes:
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays, issaikhaan)
Diamondeye: 2 (classical_hero, Believer)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, Mr. Stuka)
issaikhaan: 2 (Romanic, Diamondeye)
ArpeggiateTHIS: 1 (Renata)
Mr. Stuka: 1 (Secura)
Poulus Romanus: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
Day one votes are generally wrthless since it is just feelers for the game, so not much could be happening on that day, but by any right the game should have been finished with the death of the host. :wink:
Day two votes:
Blackadder: GH, IK, Renata, Romanic, Mr Stuka, classical_hero, MRD,
GH: TLD, Populus Romanus, CB
Mr Stuka: AT, Secura,
Renata: Believer
Believer: DE
Most people voted for CB on the instructins of GH. Not much to go there, unless GH is actually the boss, but I don't think that is likely.
Day three votes:
Stuka: Arpeg, Secura, Renata,
GH: DE, PR,
TLD: Romanic, GH
MRD: IK
Believer: TLD
Arpeg: Stuka
Day four votes:
4 Believer (Diamondeye, Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief, TheLastDays)
3 TheLastDays (Romanic, Believer, Populus Romanus)
1 GeneralHankerchief (classical_hero)
1 classical_hero (Secura)
1 Major Robert Dump (Ibn Khaldun)
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4 not voting (ArpeggiateTHIS, Renata, robbiecon, Seon)
Day five votes:
5 Populus Romanus (Secura, Arpeg, robbiecon, DE, Renata)
4 robbiecon (MRD, TLD, CH, Populus)
2 TLD (Romanic, Ibn)
1 DE (GH)
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1 no vote (Seon)
Day six voting:
DE: GH, robbie, Romanic
GH: Seon, c_h, DE
robbie: TLD, MRD
Seon: Secura,
Day seven vote:
GeneralHankerchief SEON
Romanic SEON
Secura SEON
TheLastDays ROMANIC
Major Robert Dump ROMANIC
Renata ROMANIC
Seon ROMANIC
Classical_hero GENERALHANKERCHIEF
ArpeggiateTHIS NO VOTE
Robbiecon NO VOTE
So I hav highlighted my suspect based on his behaviour in the game. Appreg has hardly voted and the times he has he has been voting to get people eliminated, making his job so much eaiser. He is lurking his way to victory, if you allow him to.
This is entirely my fault, but "No screenshots" should be in the rules, and it's not.
Consider it to be as of this moment. C_H posted nothing incriminating or bad, but at the same time, I realized he just did it legally and I couldn't allow that as a precedent.
Sorry.
C_H: Originally, I thought it was Arpegg too, but then I saw the repeated "kids" thing in the Quicktopic. I'm about 97% sure that he is a RL friend of Subotan's, who is definitely a university student, and under Arpegg's profile it even lists "student" as his occupation. Now there's you, who just in your most recent post admitted you're a shift worker and thus more likely than not older than Arpeggiate. So, I ask you (and the rest of the town I guess), which scenario is the most likely:
a) A 19/20ish year old university student has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
b) A (presumably) older member of the workforce has multiple children and is not lying about it in the QT
c) Arpeggiate is the cult leader but does not have any children and all of the references in the Quicktopic mentioning that he does not to mention his .Org profile are an elaborate trap set up from the very beginning of the game specifically designed to frame you.
This doesn't even take into account the whole handkerchief/hankerchief distinction, which is another strike against you.
In addition to the above:
Take Arpeggiate's post on July 7th:
Now, "Boss" made multiple posts in the QT on July 3, 4, 5, and 6. So "Boss" was very clearly monitoring things on those dates, while Arpegg was nowhere in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Finally, take "Boss"'s post 121 in the QT:
And let's cross-reference that with the voting record you mentioned above:Quote:
I have been trying to get GH lynched from day 1
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
What jumps out? For someone who says he's been trying to get rid of me from Day 1, Arpegg has not once voted for me. Contrast that with you, who has done so on multiple occasions.
Bottom line, either you're the boss or ArpeggiateTHIS is pulling the single most elaborate frame job I have ever seen in a mafia game. I leave it up to the town to determine which one is the more likely scenario.
Condensed version for the wall-of-text averse:
CLASSICAL_HERO IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THE BOSS OF THE PEPPERONI CULT.
I am single and therefore I don't have any kids either. So if not arpeg, then it could be Robbiecon and he is using the chrome thing as a cover? But I am thinking the kids thin is about the game and not real life.
About the going after you from day one, I have only ever voted for you since day 4. I even voted with you on day two since you put up such a "strong, convincing argument" against CB, and yet you have kept that a secret, which is why I voted for you on day four, since generally only scum would ever try and control the town like that. So that is why I have kept my eye on you.
Highly unlikely, due to the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
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Originally Posted by QT 87
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Originally Posted by 91
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Originally Posted by 92
Granted, "Boss"'s tone changed in the following...Quote:
Originally Posted by 105
But then again you are mentioned in that same post so it doesn't tell us much. Also, TLD said in QT 94 that he was going to vote for robbie over me and "Boss" said nothing about urging TLD to go for me instead, an extremely risky play if "Boss" truly was robbiecon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 124
Also, robbie voted for Diamondeye on Day 6 and has never once voted for me.
Also, you're still not saying anything about the handkerchief/hankerchief distinction.