The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

I don't think the host is speaking on behalf of Seamus or Davey or whomever. If I recall correctly, he hasn't been doing so all this time. I'd rather hear directly from Seamus before I write Boudica off as innocent. Seamus was revealed as Donney, and as such, I believe he's either our detective, or a mason, or something. The play seems to indicate, from what I've read, that it's definitely Donney as a pro-town role, or neutral at worst. The English mafia have non-play names, and the Irish mafia are Brendan and Joey, and I think there was another name from the play as well for their Godfather. Boudica was my big suspect for Oswald besides Reenk Roink. I see nothing from the write-up which would convince me otherwise, especially with all the female references and the statement that boudica is innocent.

However... Oswald is not the priority. Godfathers are the priority. And I don't think boudica is the Godfather, unless someone credible comes forward claiming she got an innocent result. So I'd hope someone looks into her in the next night or so, to make sure one way or another. At this point, anyone with a guilty result I'd just ignore. I'm operating under the assumption that both mafia families have rules similar to the actual Godfather game setup (which is an awesome setup).

Sasaki, I'd be willing to toss you a bone over LittleGrizzly, or at least end this feud you guys are having. It's entirely possible this little duel of yours is helping one or the other avoid a lynch. After this round, though, you're going to have to lay off LittleGrizzly and focus on other suspects. I say Boudica is a huge choice for Oswald (or the Godfather, writing those kills for a henchman) I think she'd be an excellent lynch today, but I'm assuming my accusations of her will draw little support. Here is hope that my track record improves.

Vote: Boudica

By the way, I've been assuming from what GH has been saying, and who he's been picking, that he's been a protown role. Given mairead's death, and Seamus as another pro-town role, I don't believe GH is another pro-town. I think he could be neutral or townie, or... anything quite frankly.

If my suspicions are incorrect, I'll drop it.

Well Bible Killer, you're on your own now. Ever since I got to be a guardian angel, I decided to protect you (after Ares died). :bow:

Obviously we must work on our secret message system for later games. :laugh4:

edit: Also, I think I was killed for one of two reasons:

1) Some people actually thought there was a small chance I was Mafia of another family
2) May recent posts gave out my protown role

I don't think it is 2 at all though, that is just in the realm of possibility, but I see that not much higher than a random kill.

I suggest Atpg and FactionHeir to be lynched this round for self apparent reasons.

After our bar room brawl yesterday, I don't blame you for thinking that it was me.

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

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Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

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I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

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Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

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He might suffocate you with Beefy's bum.

To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

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I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

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If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundry

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If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundry

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No one buys my attempts at gaining pity, either... so I hope you'll forgive me if I doubt yours. :bow: All I really want is answers to the above 4 questions, and I will not ask you another one for the rest of the game. Please humor me.

Depending on your answers, I may vote for someone else and not "waste" my vote.

Okay, time to clear things up.

The short version: I suspect White_eyes.

The long version: For several rounds I've been in contact with White_eyes privately. We have both receiving PMs from a person who is undoubtedly a proxy for our Detective, disclosing the latest investigation results to us. I will not reveal the name of the proxy, nor the other innocents, as I believe that's the Detective's call if and when he does decide to reveal. I do not know if the other innocents have been receiving PMs as well, as I've only been talking to White_eyes.

I will say that so far, the entire investigation results have come up as innocents save one: Ituralde. After this fact happened, White_eyes and I had a long conversation about how to put pressure on Ituralde in the day phase and still survive the night (spoilered for your convenience):

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We have a guilty one......should one of us claim detective and get him lynch?:idea2:

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Nice, I'll take point once the day phase begins. :smoking:

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Who.....you or me????:dizzy2: we know one of us might die tonight....and whoever claims during the day(If successful) well get killed during the next night....:sweatdrop: Might want to tell *other investigated innocent* about this so he knows as well..(and does the same....:dizzy2:)

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Reenk's game refined my style a bit. I think I'll be able to get Ituralde lynched and still stay scummy enough where the mafia will leave me alive in hopes of lynching/discrediting me. They've definitely tried it before (Ephesus) where I've managed to survive.

Although if I die tonight, this naturally changes. :yes:

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I know the info we have been getting is true.....because ATPG noted that Ituralde was there during the end of the day phase....almost like he was checking to make sure his buddy's were not lynched...

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Interesting timing you have, Ituralde.

Showing up a mere 20 minutes before the lynch. What a coincidence.

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*check post 731*

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What I'm a bit worried about is that a pro-town network may be forming. Somehow, some way, it might get infiltrated. Maybe innocent results don't necessarily guarantee innocence. pever said in the first post that this game uses the Godfather mechanic - in GF3, had khaan investigated Beefy, he would have turned up innocent.

All we know for certain is that Ituralde is a grunt. But unless *other investigated innocent* or anybody else that our Detective through *proxy* tells us is "innocent" approaches us I think we should leave this between you and me.

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But that could be a problem.....since our "Detective" is sending PM's though *proxy* to all the people who show up innocent so far.....:sweatdrop:

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Well, yeah, unfortunately. But so far *other investigated innocent* hasn't said anything and *proxy* obviously isn't going to send anything to Ituralde. If he sends us more innocents I'm still going to look at them closely in the thread before making a judgment.

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Well.....regardless, Ituralde must be lynch tomorrow....:smash:

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I was also thinking that....if *other investigated innocent* does not vote Ituralde....he is more less then likely the Godfather....:juggle2:

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Well, it depends on what time he gets on. If he logs on and there's a big bandwagon against Ituralde then he really has no choice. But if he's on at the start of the phase and doesn't, then we might have our man.

Of course, it's also possible that *proxy* hasn't included him, but I doubt that.

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but then again.....we might be already dead if the detective give the info to him and named us, as innocent.....if that's the case....90% chance one of us well die tonight....but if not...*other investigated innocent* is likely innocent instead....:juggle2:

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Okay, so basically White_eyes was big on reminding me that whoever took the lead in the Ituralde lynching effort was probably going to die in the next night phase. I told him my plan would be to toe the line essentially - still get Ituralde lynched while appearing scummy enough so that the mafia wouldn't touch me.

However, the plan failed. Yes, Ituralde got lynched, but I came under zero suspicion, both during and after that phase. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've received a single vote in this game so far. Frankly, there's no reason for the mafia to leave me alive two day phases later. In Ephesus, the only reason why I survived so long as I did was because I was almost constantly lynchbait.

Basically, I think White_eyes might be a Godfather leaving me alive because he thinks I believe in his innocence. Beefy tried this strategy in GF3 and it worked up until the final round.

About a round or so later, he PM'd me again, suggesting a lynch target to look into more detail:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I feel that Sasaki is a Godfather.....Proof other then "Sasaki is always guilty?":shrug: He has been focusing on the Irish killers.....but hardly touched the English ones....I also think he has Reenk as a grunt.....tough guys to get lynched without a detective reveal:wall:

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I thought I responded, saying I'd look into it, but a proper look at my PMs say I didn't. Must've been ATPG instead.

Anyway, after going through Sasaki's posts, I see nothing of the sort. I would quote posts here, but there's nothing to quote. Sasaki went hard after taka in Round 2 because he wanted to lynch one of the major lurkers, FC because he mainly thought he was scum/a bad townie, gone after ATPG because... well... it's habit, and has had the feud with Grizz for a while now. However, there's been nothing about him specifically going for the Irish mafia, aside from when he was trying to argue with Grizz. As a matter of fact, Sasaki has pretty much played this like a vanilla Godfather game, not really distinguishing between the two factions.

Another thing - it's been a couple of days now since I received that PM from White_eyes. I planned to read up on Friday, but ran out of time, and I was totally dead yesterday and didn't get anything done. However, if White_eyes truly believed Sasaki was guilty, why didn't he say anything in the thread?

I believe a truly townie White_eyes would only care about lynching the bad guys. To me, it sounds like a manufactured case to get a threat out of the way, and also one designed for me to take the heat for it.

Vote: White_eyes:D

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Sasaki:

You make some good points. Who would you vote for aside from LG and why? You've been stuck on that a while and it limits my "read" on you.

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White_eyes. Ares and boudica were tied, and white_eyes plays around like he's going to abstain and "lets" LG talk him into voting. He votes for Ares. Now, this is partly guilt by association, since LG and boudica are two of the people I find scummiest. But I remember we jumped on WE's for a tie breaking vote in GF3 so as mafia he'd be careful like this for sure. The whole "I'll abstain but vote if you insist" is passing of responsibility which mafia love to do.

Then yesterday:

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Its Yoyoma.....he knows Shakespeare, like the back of his hand.... and a whole bunch of other authors....I will bring up evidence and quotes to back this up...

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Having read all his posts, this is the first time he's really made an accusation that I can remember. Coming from someone who successfully changed his style in GF3, this is a very odd choice, even more so for someone who has been subdued the whole game. Guilt by association again, but I wonder if he was concerned about someone who had been under pressure the day before getting lynched, and when he saw pizza go after the writeup he jumped on the chance.

LG is still a better suspect...I've made my case on him. But I love links between people. LG and boudica had a weird thing going together a few days back as well.

I'll vote for White_eyes if boudica gets back here and answers my questions! :laugh2:

Actually, GH's suspicions and plans have been good for town so far, and I offer him my support. I trust his judgment more than my own at this point.

unvote: Boudica
vote: White_eyes

I still want 4 answers by the end of the round, B.

Unvote,Vote:white_eyes

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He has been focusing on the Irish killers

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Classic :bounce:

Townies don't know who the Irish killers are. WE reveals that he knows too much.

He also seems very worried about being the one to post as a proxy detective...

I know who White eyes is. He is playing you, but he doesn't deserve to be killed.

For all the scrutiny on his behavior, the fact is, it is White eyes ish to do these things. He only would change it as a Mafia...

Wow, just wow.

Word of caution folks, this is all going to get hairy from here. There are only 13 alive, with 4 of them being mafiosi. We have lost our SK (no prob) and a protector (adios Reenk and thanks for the save -- though I have no plans to kiss you).

Sasaki, good answer. GH, this has the ring of truth (if I read you right, you are accusing him of GF status, yes?). I think we need, at the least, to give W_E the incentive to clear his name.

Vote: White_Eyes

Correct, he's either a Godfather or a townie. My vote is Godfather.

Boudica left after reading my questions and did not answer them. I would like pressure votes on her next round if white_eyes turns up innocent.

edit: Interesting timing, boudica. Last Activity: Today 12:56

(12:56 my time... 4 minutes after I posted)

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To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

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I hadn't read your questions before leaving. I hope I have time to answer them now before leaving again.

1) Read my sign-up post. I was reticent to play more than 2 games (all I have decided I can cope with at once with any degree of commitment) But didn't want the game to fail through lack of participants.

2) I was attempting to draw some more comment from Diana. You're right I do not know her and her answer satisfied me - I was surprised when people had followed my lead and voted her when I checked back in. With no clear strategy in what has turned in to a bigger thread than Settlement, I have been voting mainly just to get 'a rise' from people.

3)Thankyou!

4) Not in the time allowed and not without significant research. My knowledge of literature is very small, but I enjoy writing creatively and hope to improve.

I have just caught up on GH's posts but will need to hear more and read back myself before I establish that GH himself is not having us on.

Thank you, boudica.

I still think you could have written it, and that is why I have you under suspicion. However, it is the collective judgment of all which matters, and I have no further case to make against you. If you turn out to be mafia, I can say I tried and no one listened. As such, I'd encourage discussion of further suspects.

It's interesting to note that once I ramped up more pressure on you, B, you returned. Getting nervous, are we?


edit: oops that's a question. You don't have to answer it.

Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes

Just back from the weekend, and that looks like a good bit of information..

Vote White Eyes

As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

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What does "vicissitudes" mean?

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You tell me, it's your language...

No guys, don't lynch White_Eyes:D! Lynch a real suspect!

Bwahahahahaha :devil:

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

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Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

umm... so your accussing me of being english and sasaki is accusing me of being irish...

I am the crazy half breed serial killer... he hates ira, english and irish civilians...

*crazy killing rampage*

Just die, LittleGrizzly.

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The way I see it there are two new leads that we should take up today.

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided
2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

And according to the bit at the bottom, the detective got a result on boudica that means she is either the godfather or a townie.

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~D that's how I like to think of innocent results...

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1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided

I see very little here. Not too surprising. Mostly he lurked and sparred with pizza.

2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

Pizza, white_eyes and boudica seemed willing to find the writeups to be good evidence. Pizza was sure it was reenk, WE sure it was yoyoma, and boudica thought it was...Diana Abnoba?

I found this post to be unusual. It is possible she thought reenk did the writeup but didn't want to say so because she didn't think he'd get lynched and wanted to kill him without it reflecting back on her.

However, this was the vote count 10 minutes before lynching time:



I feel that we'd be better served to wait on boudica (though her behavior is still odd in the way I described during the round the vote count is from). I don't see the godfather going to tie 10 minutes before deadline without voting to save herself...of course pizza stepped in to save her. But I haven't found pizza to be scummy. His behavior is spot on the last two games. The kill on reenk could be the irish mafia attempting to frame him. But anyway, my point with posting the vote count is that it if boudica is guilty it will probably be very easy to tell once know more about the alignment of the people listed. Thus it is prudent to wait.

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Although it's apparent that I'm the only one on this, so I'll be making an argument for someone else later on, probably white_eyes, who should have known better than to be "sure" it was yoyoma who did the writeup. He's also lurking for him.

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First post at 4.28 pm, second on 5.01 pm (GMT +1). In about half an hour, you came to those conclusions... That doesn't sound like you put much effort in it.

I know L_G is English mafia, but I don't think he's the godfather; the more I think about it, Sasaki is the English godfather, trying to get his grunt lynched, to let town believe he is innocent beyond doubt.

EDIT: I'll help town to get rid of the English. After they are disposed off, I will refrain from further commenting on this thread. I've been suspicious about the constant Sasaki-LittleGrizzly duel all game. I know I'm revealed as scum, but don't forget I have one thing in common with town: to root out the English mafia.

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Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes

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And you are quick to jump on White Eyes.

Vote: Boudica

Something a tad disconcerting about this white eys deal...

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As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

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:bow: I'll try to set aside some time to get caught up. :bow:

If I am going down GH, I am taking you with me.........everyone must lynch GH after this....I never did any write-ups for this and I will post the "innocent results"

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That was the first PM we got...

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This was after I talked to GH...

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and we got these thourgh someone.....:laugh4: but I am dead anyway:shrug: GH's paranoia strikes again.....:wall:(or he is a Godfather and it was well-played...Whatever:wall:)

WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

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WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

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No man.....this sinking ship is going down and your ALL coming with me for votiing for an innocent man......:smoking:

Nice, five possible Godfahters and Grizzly is among them. He's the Godfather then and Sasaki probably isn't his grunt after all, since it was Sasaki who started to call for his lynching and a grunt wouldn't go after his own GF so viciously.

That, or Seamus is giving you guys false information.

If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

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If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

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Why are you sure W_E is the Godfather? He isn't my Godfather and I know L_G is English mafia. Since L_G came up as innocent, he has to be the English Godfather and W_E just an innocent townie you're about to lynch.

Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of. :laugh4:

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Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of. :laugh4:

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Fair enough.

But I'm as interested in getting the mafiosi who killed me as you are. Make fun of me as much as you want, but Little_Grizzly is the English Godfather. Either that or I'm being confused on purpose by our host.

How exactly are you certain that LG is the English Godfather? I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to him.

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Nice, five possible Godfahters and Grizzly is among them.

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What makes you think that Grizzly is a Godfather? It states that he is innocent on the White Eyes reveal.

nm - so a "innocent" result comes up for a godfather?

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How exactly are you certain that LG is the English Godfather? I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to him.

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He killed me and he came up as innocent upon investigation.

How do you know he killed you?

White_eyes, your posting of the results of the investigation is not good. After being asked to edit it out, you still have not.

Why?

To spite town......and because I trusted GH enough to send him a PM and he backstabbed me with it....:juggle2: town can go and get killed for all I care....and I hope GH suffers a horriable death as well.:skull:

You said you suspected Sasaki. I said nothing about it for two days. You had plenty of time to post your suspicions in the thread. Don't say I backstabbed you just because I followed through with your suggestion and didn't agree with your conclusion.

Lynch in this order:

GeneralHankerchief - so obviously guilty
Askthepizzaguy - I believe he knocked me off after failing to get any votes on me
FactionHeir - some oft he stuff he said recently made me go "Hmmm"

If you are only going to lynch one, please make it GH. Please, for my sake. I am Mairaed, your guardian angel and most trusted adviser. :bow:

The fact that I didn't was because I had no proof.....and Sasaki would just argue his way out:shrug: I was hoping you would come up with something.....but I had a bad feeling about you....ever since you didn't resopnd much in the whole ATPG vs Reenk debate...(I didn't want to say anything to add fuel to the fire.....and I had no idea if Sasaki really was guilty.....so I was hoping you would find something....but instead you, got suspcius of me....nice one (if townie)....)

Edit:tons of spelling mistakes...don't blame me....blame Vista:bow:

I'm a bit confused why your detective chose to publically announce the N6 result but none of the others?

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Lynch in this order:

GeneralHankerchief - so obviously guilty
Askthepizzaguy - I believe he knocked me off after failing to get any votes on me
FactionHeir - some oft he stuff he said recently made me go "Hmmm"

If you are only going to lynch one, please make it GH. Please, for my sake. I am Mairaed, your guardian angel and most trusted adviser. :bow:

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GH: No case has been made against him. You're innocent, yes, but other dead and confirmed innocents do not get what they want simply because they say so. If you want my vote, you need to give reasons.

ATPG: Sorry, but any mafia would reach the same conclusion that you need to go if the town won't vote for you and you're acting as though you're trying to bluff that you have a role, thus hiding you have a role. I can only say I am sorry for accusing you, and that I was not responsible for your murder or anyone else's. I'm not a murderer or a Godfather.

FactionHeir: Not much of a case, but FactionHeir is the one suspect I agree with you about. I just think he has been trying to avoid suspicion all game, and he hasn't been pressured properly yet.

Fair enough.

But I'm as interested in getting the mafiosi who killed me as you are. Make fun of me as much as you want, but Little_Grizzly is the English Godfather. Either that or I'm being confused on purpose by our host.

Or as scum do best, you are lieing at all costs to help your side win...

Look at his theory changing to suit new posts in the thread, desperately making it fit to his theory, notice the way he dismisses all the investigated as potential targets... wanting to kill all innocents...

My vote shall stay on White Eyes anyway... either scum or extraordinarily bad townie..

Boudica probably innocent now but sasaki is on my suspect list strongly still..

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

GH: No case has been made against him. You're innocent, yes, but other dead and confirmed innocents do not get what they want simply because they say so. If you want my vote, you need to give reasons.

ATPG: Sorry, but any mafia would reach the same conclusion that you need to go if the town won't vote for you and you're acting as though you're trying to bluff that you have a role, thus hiding you have a role. I can only say I am sorry for accusing you, and that I was not responsible for your murder or anyone else's. I'm not a murderer or a Godfather.

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Never expected you personally to take my banner, doesn't mean there aren't others I haven't been in contact with.

The case against GH is already self evident to me and will be widely spread when it is revealed that WE is innocent.

The case against you is strong because you were the only one who publicly believed I was Mafia. I already pointed out that any Mafia who thought I was a Mafia would kill me so you're not adding anything new here. Just that the most likely person to kill me would be the one who most thought me as Mafia.

After all, do we have any other suspects as strong as you in my murder? Anyone else who wanted me dead as badly as you did? You were the only one who made the case, and the only person who somewhat seemed to consider it was Seamus, the very man I protected and who cannot be guilty.

Lynch GH town, do it for Mairead. :bow:

Unvote White Eyes

Im not completely convinced of his guilt..

Ill default to my second best suspect... Vote Sasaki

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Never expected you personally to take my banner, doesn't mean there aren't others I haven't been in contact with.

The case against GH is already self evident to me and will be widely spread when it is revealed that WE is innocent.

The case against you is strong because you were the only one who publicly believed I was Mafia. I already pointed out that any Mafia who thought I was a Mafia would kill me so you're not adding anything new here. Just that the most likely person to kill me would be the one who most thought me as Mafia.

After all, do we have any other suspects as strong as you in my murder? Anyone else who wanted me dead as badly as you did? You were the only one who made the case, and the only person who somewhat seemed to consider it was Seamus, the very man I protected and who cannot be guilty.

Lynch GH town, do it for Mairead. :bow:

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In short, everything you said, Reenk, is a brilliant reason why someone would kill you. So that I would finally be lynched too.

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

And you are quick to jump on White Eyes.

Vote: Boudica

Something a tad disconcerting about this white eys deal...

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Do all women look alike to you? :laugh4:

Check your trigger finger 'khaan. You shot a bit too fast.

A short rebuttal of the case on White eyes as made by GH:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

The long version: For several rounds I've been in contact with White_eyes privately. We have both receiving PMs from a person who is undoubtedly a proxy for our Detective, disclosing the latest investigation results to us. I will not reveal the name of the proxy, nor the other innocents, as I believe that's the Detective's call if and when he does decide to reveal. I do not know if the other innocents have been receiving PMs as well, as I've only been talking to White_eyes.

I will say that so far, the entire investigation results have come up as innocents save one: Ituralde. After this fact happened, White_eyes and I had a long conversation about how to put pressure on Ituralde in the day phase and still survive the night (spoilered for your convenience):

Okay, so basically White_eyes was big on reminding me that whoever took the lead in the Ituralde lynching effort was probably going to die in the next night phase. I told him my plan would be to toe the line essentially - still get Ituralde lynched while appearing scummy enough so that the mafia wouldn't touch me.

However, the plan failed. Yes, Ituralde got lynched, but I came under zero suspicion, both during and after that phase. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've received a single vote in this game so far. Frankly, there's no reason for the mafia to leave me alive two day phases later. In Ephesus, the only reason why I survived so long as I did was because I was almost constantly lynchbait.

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Here GH essentially wants you to believe that White eyes is leaving him alive. I think this is much too naive a view. Mafia have went ahead and killed more "lynchbait" worthy suspects before.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Basically, I think White_eyes might be a Godfather leaving me alive because he thinks I believe in his innocence. Beefy tried this strategy in GF3 and it worked up until the final round.

About a round or so later, he PM'd me again, suggesting a lynch target to look into more detail:

I thought I responded, saying I'd look into it, but a proper look at my PMs say I didn't. Must've been ATPG instead.

Anyway, after going through Sasaki's posts, I see nothing of the sort. I would quote posts here, but there's nothing to quote. Sasaki went hard after taka in Round 2 because he wanted to lynch one of the major lurkers, FC because he mainly thought he was scum/a bad townie, gone after ATPG because... well... it's habit, and has had the feud with Grizz for a while now. However, there's been nothing about him specifically going for the Irish mafia, aside from when he was trying to argue with Grizz. As a matter of fact, Sasaki has pretty much played this like a vanilla Godfather game, not really distinguishing between the two factions.

Another thing - it's been a couple of days now since I received that PM from White_eyes. I planned to read up on Friday, but ran out of time, and I was totally dead yesterday and didn't get anything done. However, if White_eyes truly believed Sasaki was guilty, why didn't he say anything in the thread?

I believe a truly townie White_eyes would only care about lynching the bad guys. To me, it sounds like a manufactured case to get a threat out of the way, and also one designed for me to take the heat for it.

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Here GH tries to portray White eyes as a rival Godfather. Again, a much more plausible view is that White eyes is just a pissed off townie. For all the anecdotes GH brings up of behavioral play in the past, there can be an equal amount of counter anecdotes bought up

Take a look at how White eyes plays as both a townie and Mafia in Whispers of the Night (he was converted sometime in the game), it's quite clear that:

1) applying these kind of behavioral guidelines are non effectual, in both the general case and especially against WE.
2) if you are to apply the behavioral guidelines then the stronger opinion is that WE is not Mafia...

Do the right thing town, spare WE, kill GH. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Do all women look alike to you? :laugh4:

Check your trigger finger 'khaan. You shot a bit too fast.

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Riiiiiight. Umm...

Like I was saying, er... Lurking is bad, and erhm... uh...

Unvote: Boudica
Vote: Diana Aboba

:creep:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Here GH essentially wants you to believe that White eyes is leaving him alive. I think this is much too naive a view. Mafia have went ahead and killed more "lynchbait" worthy suspects before.

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No, I believe WE is leaving me alive because he thought we trusted each other and that I would not vote for him. Consider his reaction when I brought my case against him - he considered it "backstabbing".

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No, I believe WE is leaving me alive because he thought we trusted each other and that I would not vote for him. Consider his reaction when I brought my case against him - he considered it "backstabbing".

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Is this any point in favor of your innocence? :inquisitive: White eyes and people in general aren't so naive to take a pact like that seriously, but especially White eyes.

Take the textbook case from WotN if you think past behavior can gleam some info.

All I can remember is the cult thing in Graffiti Mafia. :laugh4: The vibes from you are overpowering. It's not even intuition...

White_eyes just watched as a similar pact Beefy made with taka (and to a lesser extent, you) lasted him into the twelth round of Godfather 3.

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White_eyes just watched as a similar pact Beefy made with taka (and to a lesser extent, you) lasted him into the twelth round of Godfather 3.

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My "pact" of Beefy was just me wanting to defend him because he dies way too early. Beefy had no say in it. It was completely spontaneous and just happened. That I held true to it was just continuing along with the semi joke. Beefy only made one joke post in reply, on my public profile about it.

The "pact" of taka was not even a pact in my sense GH :laugh:, he made that up in reference to my "pact" with Beefy.

Ask Beefy and taka if you don't believe me.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

My "pact" of Beefy was just me wanting to defend him because he dies way too early. Beefy had no say in it. It was completely spontaneous and just happened. That I held true to it was just continuing along with the semi joke. Beefy only made one joke post in reply, on my public profile about it.

The "pact" of taka was not even a pact in my sense GH :laugh:, he made that up in reference to my "pact" with Beefy.

Ask Beefy and taka if you don't believe me.

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Reenk.

The point is that Beefy and taka were working together in a way. Very similar to what White_eyes and I were doing. And the bottom line is that Beefy kept you alive until the end because you wouldn't vote for him.

Oh my. Finally some controversy!

*gets the popcorn out*

At the last I don't feel as though I am one of the only ones applying pressure on people. As such, and as I promised in several games, I'll actually shut up. Bonus!

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Reenk.

The point is that Beefy and taka were working together in a way. Very similar to what White_eyes and I were doing. And the bottom line is that Beefy kept you alive until the end because you wouldn't vote for him.

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YOU never trusted me from the start....I didn't PM anyone else either....it was risk since it works BOTH ways if, you or me were a Godfather...but since it was the first night...I thought "what the heck?:shrug: GH is trustworthy"....and you had a innocent result....if you look at the PM's GH was the first to bring it up.


To sum it up....he didn't want a "Townie network" forming....which I guess would help him have a scapegoat, if things went bad.....:sweatdrop:

Day the Seventh, I reveal.

Hi, Donney here. As has become something of an open secret, I've done a bit of private detective work before, so I've been using my skills to try to give information to this town so that Inishmore can survive BOTH of these groups of louts who assail us. Paddy was a bad one and that's the truth before God, but having sired that horror -- God rest his soul -- I have no longing for violence and no wish to see either "side" win. Inishmore should be free of both these pestilences.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Hello Seamus. :bow:

You have been randomly selected as Donney. Your son, Padraic is a madman, but you hope deep inside he might spare your life when he finds out about Wee Thomas.

In game terms, you are the Detective. Simply PM me a name of a person each night phase, and I will respond with their alignment, Town/Neutral/Mafia/Unclear.

If you are killed or lynched, your name will be revealed as Donney.

Please do not reveal in private or take a screenshot of this PM.

Good luck
:bow:
pevergreen

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I have made six investigations, and with the kindly permission of our host passed the results to the first two innocents thereby uncovered. I did this through the kind auspices of Lemur (who was glad to help as long as he didn't have to play -- he was qiute clear on that) who sent the anonymous messages. The six were, in order, GH, W_E, El D, Ituralde, Griz, & Boudica. Reenk and Sasaki and pizza were next. The format used was as W_E described.

Anonymity is now moot anyway -- it's been shaky for a while since the attack -- so it's time to come clean. I thank Reenk for his protection for so long. Just knowing Mairead was covering me let me continue.

It is also possible, of course, that I was in touch with a GF with this effort -- which is why I talked to two of them. The odds of BOTH of my chosen recipients being GFs beggar the imagination. Even if I had been randomly killed, some information would be available. Moreover, Ituralde's guilt was quickly turned into his removal -- getting us a small step closer.

I will continue my efforts, but would not expect that I am likely to continue as a living detective without Reenk waiting in the wings. Probably one of the few things the mafias will agree upon at this point.

Unvote: White_Eyes

Vote: abstain

Well then the people in question are either innocent or Godfather. Only one henchman so far... hmm.

unvote: White_eyes
vote: Seireikhaan

Since boudica and white_eyes, GH, El Diablo, etc were proven "not henchman", hopefully lack of votes on such people will force the mafia to kill them, hoping they hit a Godfather or an innocent townie. Seireikhaan, on the other hand, hasn't been contributing, and there's no reason behind his votes. He's not even paying attention to who he is voting for. As such, I don't think he cares who dies, as long as it's not him. I also think some of his head-game tactics earlier on this game were intended perhaps to fool the mafia, but seriously? Only I was even confused about it, and I explained my theory about what he was doing, which was acting like bait for the mafia, and then he never got killed, and he's had no pressure on him, but he hasn't changed his strategy. He's still hiding, basically, and he deserves a pressure vote.

Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

I will do something GH is not willing to do....Vote:White_eyes:D he would never vote for himself:2thumbsup:(So make sure he gets lynched next round:yes:)

Please, White_Eyes, it's always disappointing when someone you trust turns out to not trust you.

Sasaki played mind games with me in Settlement, and Seamus, I accused him of being mafia. We at one point had decided to trust Sasaki, in violation of the Rules of Mafia, and as for Seamus, I agreed he could have been converted, and was a likely suspect of being converted.

But as disappointing as it is when someone betrays you, it doesn't pay to hurt your own team. Unvote yourself please.

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I will do something GH is not willing to do....Vote:White_eyes:D he would never vote for himself:2thumbsup:(So make sure he gets lynched next round:yes:)

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It's been a good game so far. We've got plenty to work with, this time the detective didn't die in the second round, he's still alive and the mafia have to target him, and we have a list of unchecked suspects to harass. Do we really have to stab ourselves at the finish line? Let's get ahold of ourselves.

I don't mind aggressive questioning, I adore it. But I question late-game suicidal behavior. That kind of stuff can work, (debateable) in the opening, but it's irresponsible to do so now. Unvote yourself and take a break, white_eyes.

Well, it's not so bad.....at least town can shoot itself in the foot more:laugh4:

Edit: anyone willing to listen to GH's suspcion on me being the Godfather MUST be looked at....:brood:

I just counted the votes.....4 for me....and one for anyone else EVEN close...I am boned no matter what......:smash:

Anyone who thinks WE's doesn't deserve a lynch hasn't read carefully. He dropped one of the highest percentage mafia tells known to man.

LG is the only other person I'd consider voting.

OKaaaayyy, now I am confused...

Unvote White Eyes, Vote FH.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too quiet.

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Anyone who thinks WE's doesn't deserve a lynch hasn't read carefully. He dropped one of the highest percentage mafia tells known to man.

LG is the only other person I'd consider voting.

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Clearly, he dosen't know me very well....:no::clown::clown:

FINALLY.

unvote: Seireikhaan
vote: FactionHeir

Rather pointless until now. All I want is for Factionheir to finally get pressured and questioned. His contributions this game I find to be less than what he usually does. He's probably not a pro-town role and he hasn't been investigated. I say a high percentage of mafia or Godfather.

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Wow, you messed up BIG TIME town:yes:......but what ever:shrug: Unvote:taka Vote:Whiteeyes:D

Hopefully town does better next time....YLC, end the round since you seemed to have wrote a write-up that implicates me a lot...:furious3:

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:laugh4:Sasaki is SO wrong, I must laugh but let's see...

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Originally Posted by Me in "Chicago Soiree" after being Framed

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Reen Roink was walking his dog down the street, enjoying all the new Christmas lights that had been put up. He was too engulfed with the Christmas lights to notice the red dot on his chest. Luckily there was someone there to point it out too him.
He heard someone screaming "Reenk, Watch Out! There is a red dot on your chest! It’s the Sniper!!!"

The man threw Reenk Roink what appeared to be a bulletproof vest, and he put it on without much thought. Not noticing that it was a vest covered with C-4 explosives!

It was too late to take off the vest though, the button was pushed, and Reenk Roink went KABLOOEE!
A laser pointer and a fedora was found at the scene of the crime...

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:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I almost died laughing........I have been so FRAMED....that I will do the TinCow-Andres Mafia's a favor and Vote:White_eyes:D

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See a pattern here that is VERY different from Godfather 3?????:smash:

Okay, just one more question to the people that know WE better than me:

Is he the type of person that, knowing he is about to infiltrate, would make first contact with a person?

Vote Count:

White_eyes: 4(GH,Sasaki, Diana, White_eyes)
FactionHeir: 2(El Diablo, Pizza)
Sasaki: 1(LittleGrizzly)
Diana: 1(khaan)



White_eyes, I'm not referring to your self vote. Lots of people self vote. I was referring to the "insider information" tell present in your pm to gh.