The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

If you state your case more clearly, I can respond better. Or you can ignore me as you suggest is the best course, since everyone else does.



Sorry, I don't live in the past.

I give up, I can't continue when you are going to misinterpret every statement I make or simply turn every post I make into a one lined caustic barb. One of the few times Mafia has become Backroomish unpleasant for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I give up, I can't continue when you are going to misinterpret every statement I make or simply turn every post I make into a one lined caustic barb. One of the few times Mafia has become Backroomish unpleasant for me.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'll lighten up on you, and I'm sorry if this hurts our friendship. I do value that, you know.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza's policy:

If at any time, I make the game un-fun for anyone, send me a private message, and I will cease said behavior or drop out of the game. You guys are more important to me than winning. This has been my policy for several games now.

[Yoyoma1910]

Oh really?


What happened to thirty minutes or less...

[pevergreen]

Pizza's policy:

If at any time, I make the game un-fun for anyone, send me a private message, and I will cease said behavior or drop out of the game. You guys are more important to me than winning. This has been my policy for several games now.

Stop over reacting. >_>

[ULC]

ROFLMFAO at bolded part. Sanity is something that I do not come included with. Trust me.

Ask why Mikey Fingers, not Oswald, killed me. Ask why the write up style suddenly differed. Why would Oswald not kill me as well, what makes me different enough that I have to be killed by a partner? Why wipe their hands clean of it? Why reveal another name, another player?

The person knows me and understands me to an extent - this means, IMO

ATPG
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Boudica
Andres

As the only people who have truly talked to me exstensively and are ingame.

OR

The mafia group decided Ituralde was on the way out and sacrificied him to improve their chances. This means the people who accused him in thread and voted for him, which are...

ATPG
Andres
El Diablo
GH
Grey Blades
Reenk Roink
Seamus
White Eyes

You, Reenk, and Andres appear yet again. You all three know me well, and know of my condition. You all three are known to let your emotions get heated or involved to a degree.

You all three are my top suspects, quickly followed by White Eyes and Seamus.

I am not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your logic regarding who murdered you and why. Was Andres even here and active at the time? I know he was absent during all of Carnaval. As for me, I am begging your indulgence to just trust me that I didn't murder you. Give me a round of benefit of the doubt, or just for the sake of argument.

Reenk could have done avoided killing you, but that smacks of cowardice. Frankly I think they gave it to Ituralde so that it would mess with our brains. But we got Ituralde right away, didn't we?

I could make your case in-thread, but I feel you're the best qualified person. I consider Andres' contributions to be lackluster this game, he's possibly a Godfather though, not a henchman. I don't think he was even here to do the murders. I think he skipped out to avoid detection. El Diablo and GH are high on my list, but GH sounds like he's the detective or the spokesman for the detective, and as such, he's out. Seamus has been revealed as Donney, so it's not possible for him to have done it. Greyblades, it's possible... but I don't get the feeling he could pull off Oswald's kills.

My next top suspect is actually boudica. If you saw the settlement game, you know she is well versed in English culture, and a brilliant player in her own right.

ATPG asked me to present my case. Unlike the rest of you (Minus Sasaki, who borders on having a Tom/Jerry obsession with LG) never bother to come forward with anything, and frankly, it's not ATPG, Reenk, or Sasaki who is putting the bad tatse into my mouth, it's all of you who never both to try, who simply don't put any effort into the game. If that is so, then I'll simply remove myself from the gameroom, but prove me wrong town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want to make a minor note:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The reason why I didn't want to go with Reenk was because I didn't think it would be likely (even if he were mafia) to abandon his consistent murder strategy, especially out of fear of getting caught.

It is most definitely NOT Reenk's style to be fearful or cowardly. He's a very, very bold player. I don't want my comment misconstrued. I would rather think it would be to mess with the brain, as I said.

Boudica isn't up to her usual stuff, and that is who I will likely be questioning, if anyone, this round. I actually have a headache from eyestrain and lack of sleep, and will probably bow out of the discussion until morning unless I have something substantive to add.

[boudica]

Please don't lynch me. I promise to contribute more soon - I surely do. If my voting has piqued suspicion from anyone, I'd argue that it is because I haven't yet put any real time in to this game in terms of cogitatin' and ponderin' and there is much more dastardly behaviour than my own, going on both in the write-ups and the thread itself. If that sounds desperate - so be it .

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wouldn't worry about it too much, boudica. My opinion is hardly the majority here, and it's been wrong once too often. You're probably just fine.

[pevergreen]

Brendan walked in to Mcdoogals and saw Reenk Roink sitting at the bar. Brendan walked over to Reenk and said hello... and Reenk said leave me alone I am trying to brush my hair. Brendan said enough talking start fighting for ireland. Reenk said no I already fight for Ireland, I do it my way. I'm Mairead and I won't take any of this. Brendan hit her with a wine bottle and stabbed her in the neck. Then he drunk the delecious wine in front of him and left a card which said Two Blind Mice.

It was Sunday morning, and as Andres made his way to church he had before him a view of the last smiles of the year upon the tawny leaves, and on the withered hedges, an almost poetical depiction of the extant of autumn, that season of peculiar and inexhaustible influence on the mind of taste and tenderness, that season which had drawn from every poet, worthy of being read, some attempt at description, or some lines of feeling, which he would undoubtedly have paid some attention to if he hadn't hadn't had a mind-numbing, head throbbing, nauseating hangover, by far the worst hangover he'd had so far this week. It was so debilitating that he didn't hear the carriage coming up behind him, and was quite oblivious to its presence until the young lady driving it called out to him by name and offered him a lift.

He was delighted to accept, and in his oafish way soon began a series of clumsy, boyish attempts at wooing her, his efforts further hampered by his low class upbringing, which made his gentlemanly airs quite ludicrous. Such a strain of shallow artifice could not impose upon the driver. Its inconsistencies, contradictions, and falsehood struck her from the very first. His professions of attachment were as disgusting as his head was empty, and his demands impudent.

Besides, how could any man be held in anything but contempt by she whose heart belonged to Oswald? Her mind was drawn to the memory of Friday afternoon--two days ago by the calender but far longer when measured in the minutes that seem like hours to those under the spell of Cupid--when he had been the one offering her a lift in this carriage. Oswald drove so well—so quietly—without making any disturbance, without parading to her, or swearing at them: so different from the Irish "gentleman" whom it was in her power to compare him with! And then his hat sat so well, and the innumerable capes of his greatcoat looked so becomingly important! To be driven by him, next to being dancing with him, was certainly the greatest happiness in the world.

Soon they arrived at the the clifftop by the sea where Oswald had told her to meet him. Andres was so intoxicated by her beauty and by the flask of whiskey which he customarily saved for church but had been compelled to guzzle down along the way by the nervous fluttering in his heart that appeared whenever he was in the presence of a lady that he had not, until now, noticed how far from the church they were.

He had just began to think it was his lucky day when he was roughly dragged from the carriage and across the grass to edge of the cliff. Awaking from his drunken stuper, he threw off Oswald's arms and yelled in primal frustration.

"What is this! Who dares keep me from this incarnation of beauty!"

Through his increasingly sober eyes he saw a sworn enemy...Oswald. He began to chuckle.

"Ah Oswald, we finally meet. I'm going to enjoying killing you."

Oswald's eyes widened in surprise, he hadn't expected to come across anyone with an idea of what they were doing, he was just meant to kill anyone that wasn't with him.

"Its not possible...you can't be Brendan can you?"

"Brendan? No...that annoying little fly is always correcting me, always thinking hes better than me. My names Joey. Pleasure to have made your aquaintence, now, shall I kill you?"

While Andres had been on his little speech about who he really was, Oswald took out his handgun and shot him.

"So ends Andres. Two blind mice my arse."

Returning to the carriage, Oswald found the girl sitting with her hands over her eyes, frightened by the noise with which Andres had been dispatched.

"What did you do with him?", she asked.

"I let him know."

As the town got together for another time, they realised that thirteen of them were left. This could be an unlucky day.

The rumour of the town was "I'm not Donney, I'm Davey! Boudica is innocent."

Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
White Eyes
Seamus
Factionheir
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
Sigurd
El Diablo

Dead:
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
A Very Super Market
Jolt
taka
Polemists
gaelic cowboy
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
Psychonaut
YLC
Captain Blackadder
greyblades
shlin28
Andres
Reenk Roink

Lynched:
Beefy187
F.C is the bees knees
777ares777
Ituralde
yoyoma1910

It is now Day 7.

[FactionHeir]

How nice of the mafia to kill each other

[LittleGrizzly]

(Minus Sasaki, who borders on having a Tom/Jerry obsession with LG) never bother to come forward with anything



Unlike the rest of you never bother to come forward with anything

In my defence i made the counter case on sasaki... and my activity does usually drop a little over the weekends...

Well that worked out nicely... the mafia killing each other... does anyone know how many mafia we have left (apparently it is scummy when i guess) we have had a few taken out...

and what was it.... 3 english 3 ira and 3 'other' roles ?

Now we are down to 13 people we need to look at each and everyone of them...

Apart from my thoughts on sasaki... maybe we should look at some of the less talkative posters... a few people getting away with saying or doing much of anything...

[pevergreen]

Major mistake, please reread summary.

edit: corrected.

[LittleGrizzly]

Returning to the carriage, Oswald found the girl sitting with her hands over her eyes, frightened by the noise with which Andres had been dispatched.

"What did you do with him?", she asked.

"I let him know."

Is this the change ?

Seems now to not indicate a bloodthirsty woman... or one scared of loud noises at least...

[pevergreen]

Reenk said no I already fight for Ireland, I do it my way. I'm Mairead and I won't take any of this.

Thats the main thing.

[FactionHeir]

Damn, so a pro town is gone too.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The way I see it there are two new leads that we should take up today.

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided
2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

And according to the bit at the bottom, the detective got a result on boudica that means she is either the godfather or a townie.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

that's how I like to think of innocent results...

[FactionHeir]

Something quite peculiar. It seems that each mafia family can only act once each night rather than based on the number of members, so if one gets offed, another takes over or so. Maybe the same for pro town now that Mairead is gone and we got a detective result?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided

I see very little here. Not too surprising. Mostly he lurked and sparred with pizza.

2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

Pizza, white_eyes and boudica seemed willing to find the writeups to be good evidence. Pizza was sure it was reenk, WE sure it was yoyoma, and boudica thought it was...Diana Abnoba?

I found this post to be unusual. It is possible she thought reenk did the writeup but didn't want to say so because she didn't think he'd get lynched and wanted to kill him without it reflecting back on her.

However, this was the vote count 10 minutes before lynching time:

boudica: 5 (LittleGrizzly, Sasaki, Lord Winter, shlin28, Reenk)
Ares: 5 (GH, Seamus, Greyblades, FactionHeir, White_Eyes)

I feel that we'd be better served to wait on boudica (though her behavior is still odd in the way I described during the round the vote count is from). I don't see the godfather going to tie 10 minutes before deadline without voting to save herself...of course pizza stepped in to save her. But I haven't found pizza to be scummy. His behavior is spot on the last two games. The kill on reenk could be the irish mafia attempting to frame him. But anyway, my point with posting the vote count is that it if boudica is guilty it will probably be very easy to tell once know more about the alignment of the people listed. Thus it is prudent to wait.

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Although it's apparent that I'm the only one on this, so I'll be making an argument for someone else later on, probably white_eyes, who should have known better than to be "sure" it was yoyoma who did the writeup. He's also lurking for him.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sasaki:

You make some good points. Who would you vote for aside from LG and why? You've been stuck on that a while and it limits my "read" on you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think the host is speaking on behalf of Seamus or Davey or whomever. If I recall correctly, he hasn't been doing so all this time. I'd rather hear directly from Seamus before I write Boudica off as innocent. Seamus was revealed as Donney, and as such, I believe he's either our detective, or a mason, or something. The play seems to indicate, from what I've read, that it's definitely Donney as a pro-town role, or neutral at worst. The English mafia have non-play names, and the Irish mafia are Brendan and Joey, and I think there was another name from the play as well for their Godfather. Boudica was my big suspect for Oswald besides Reenk Roink. I see nothing from the write-up which would convince me otherwise, especially with all the female references and the statement that boudica is innocent.

However... Oswald is not the priority. Godfathers are the priority. And I don't think boudica is the Godfather, unless someone credible comes forward claiming she got an innocent result. So I'd hope someone looks into her in the next night or so, to make sure one way or another. At this point, anyone with a guilty result I'd just ignore. I'm operating under the assumption that both mafia families have rules similar to the actual Godfather game setup (which is an awesome setup).

Sasaki, I'd be willing to toss you a bone over LittleGrizzly, or at least end this feud you guys are having. It's entirely possible this little duel of yours is helping one or the other avoid a lynch. After this round, though, you're going to have to lay off LittleGrizzly and focus on other suspects. I say Boudica is a huge choice for Oswald (or the Godfather, writing those kills for a henchman) I think she'd be an excellent lynch today, but I'm assuming my accusations of her will draw little support. Here is hope that my track record improves.

Vote: Boudica

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, I've been assuming from what GH has been saying, and who he's been picking, that he's been a protown role. Given mairead's death, and Seamus as another pro-town role, I don't believe GH is another pro-town. I think he could be neutral or townie, or... anything quite frankly.

If my suspicions are incorrect, I'll drop it.

[Reenk Roink]

Well Bible Killer, you're on your own now. Ever since I got to be a guardian angel, I decided to protect you (after Ares died).

Obviously we must work on our secret message system for later games.

edit: Also, I think I was killed for one of two reasons:

1) Some people actually thought there was a small chance I was Mafia of another family
2) May recent posts gave out my protown role

I don't think it is 2 at all though, that is just in the realm of possibility, but I see that not much higher than a random kill.

I suggest Atpg and FactionHeir to be lynched this round for self apparent reasons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

After our bar room brawl yesterday, I don't blame you for thinking that it was me.

[boudica]

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

[Yoyoma1910]

Probably best you lynch me so the investigation proper may proceed without me being a suspicious distraction. I am high on the suspect list of both Sasaki and ATPG for my behaviour thusfar without really understanding why... but as I do not really have anything cogent to add to the thread yet in terms of tracking any of the mafia roles down I will happily suicide rather than let town waste another day.

Can I suicide Pevergreen?

He might suffocate you with Beefy's bum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

[boudica]

I believe that suicides are generally not accepted when you're a suspect. It's typically up to the host, but such a move is a game-breaker, because any innocent person could offer to suicide at any time. Also, it's the perfect reverse psychology strategy when you're already aware that the host won't allow a suicide. Plus it's bad for the town. If you're indeed innocent, suicide could likely cause the town to select another target, perhaps another innocent one, which kills 2 innocent townies worst case. Even best case, we nail a mafia, we still lose a townie in the process unnecessarily. I know I offer to suicide a lot if so-and-so is lynched; that's usually a bluff and won't act on it unless the town decides they really would rather me dead.

I believe you're cunning enough to try that as a lynch-deflection tactic.

If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundry

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If only i could claim it were based on cunning! It appears my poor work for town and uninformed voting patterns - not to mention my offer of offing myself - merely increase suspicion.

F(inger) of M(eh) at all and sundry

No one buys my attempts at gaining pity, either... so I hope you'll forgive me if I doubt yours. All I really want is answers to the above 4 questions, and I will not ask you another one for the rest of the game. Please humor me.

Depending on your answers, I may vote for someone else and not "waste" my vote.