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He is a either the last remaining Dark Samus member (most likely), or a Survivalist being foolish (least likely)
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He is a either the last remaining Dark Samus member (most likely), or a Survivalist being foolish (least likely)
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OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
So yea, vote.
All right calm down now, you're making me uneasy.
I have a vibe here that feels like two mafiosi from two different families are threatening each other privately, threatening to expose the other, but won't take it public because that means death for you both.
There is something unusual about this entire proceeding, because Winston does not usually play so badly, even when he's scum. I'd say, especially when he's scum.
Beskar, if he copied any ability from you, tell me. You didn't say you had any abilities. There's no reason to hide them if you're both trusted and protected.
Is there any truth to what he's saying?
The reason why I ask is, if you had ZERO abilities, the instant he said he stole something from you, you'd be able to say "pardon me? Wrong bluff, buddy" and just call for his head immediately.
Instead you question him, which implies that he is right about something.
Just tell us; if you're both scum I still would prefer to take down Winston first.
It appears the only reason Winston gave for not revealing which ability he stole is because he is afraid Beskar has multiple killing abilities. I could see why Winston would do that when there was still a lot of time left for him to try to pry it out of Beskar. But now he knows he will likely die if doesn't give a name, and yet he still refuses. He would've given a name if he had one at this point if he cared for his life at all. So either he's anti-town caught in a lie, or he's a townie that doesn't care about his life.
I say take a shot if you wish ATPG.
Do I get a vote?
Uh, I'll have to re-read the Winston vs Beskar debate to get a better idea of things, but killing Winston tonight? I don't know... I thought that Autolycus gave us a good alternative.
He's fairly certain that Frozen in Ice is on the Samus team, based on stuff that he cannot discuss. It looks like a good lead to follow.
My pick for the Pizza kill would be Frozen in Ice, even if he has not answered the accusation. I trust that Autolycus wouldn't have posted this, phrasing it how he did, if his reasons weren't good enough.
Well as to whether he should die tonight rests on who the other target is going to be. I say don't kill him but have a very close look at both him and Beskar because if both of them are town I will eat my hat. One of them is scum possibly both of them.
I do feel this is a very important point. But I feel quite wary of pulling the trigger blindly on Frozen, even based on a dead townie hunch. Still, you're right, there's basically no reason I shouldn't act on that. I am only weighing my options.
I feel the Winston lead is more pressing, and I feel the Frozen lead should get a full vote, not just me shooting him.
This still feels like a mafia bluff. Will consider, yet probably ignore.
If he's the last member of your team, he's not got long for this world regardless, because he's angrying up the blood of a bunch of other factions IMO.
Beskar is holding something back, but after talking with him, I don't believe he's mafia.
*new information*
And, I also know this: Winston is absolutely lying about something, or he's mafia, or both; or Beskar is.
Between the two of them, Winston has more to prove. If he comes up townie, Beskar has a LOT of explaining to do. And honestly, Winston does too, because he has been caught in a lie about something, or he would do his townie duty.
Beskar knows he's lying for reasons I won't go into. Winston bluffed, and was caught in the bluff.
I will be killing Winston Hughes tonight, for certain. If I die, Beskar must explain why I have done these actions. If Winston comes up townie, Beskar must be pressured, but not just him; I'd like to know from Winston why he was lying. It doesn't make sense.
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Woot, more time to discuss.
Given the giant amount of investigators we've discovered, I would like to switch the discussion to candidates for scan. Assuming Winston dies, who should we scan?
Give multiple options so it is still not obvious what our plan is. I just want to hear who we will be investigating.
I already have like 3 people I want to know more about, personally, and they are town suspects at the moment, but re-reading the past round, I am slightly more skeptical of the idea that the people who voted for me over Renata must be scum. I think Winston may have been the only one.
I still want to confirm on a couple, maybe, but I am more open to the idea of other targets. Let's also coordinate who we investigate, to cover maximum territory in a single night with absolute efficiency. Later, if the detectives survive, we have them scan each other.
Hello replacements. ~:wave:
The only inconveniance is having to wait longer to see more writeups. :2thumbsup:
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This makes Beskar seem very off.
ATPG, you can understand why we can't completely trust you here. Beskar covered for you by lying.
Winston could be telling the truth. I can see how hes trying to do it. If he did copy an ability off Beskar, and its a killing ability, obviously Beskar seems to have admitted to having at least one. Winston is trying to make Beskar say it out loud, so he can figure if he has more than one (which would point to not being a town role, imo) by getting him to say a different one.
If he didnt have one, it wouldnt be like this. If he had one, he could say so straight away, or work out a compromise (give me 5th letter of first word or something/link me to the picture)
The fact that Beskar is acting how he is, is off; so.
Vote: Kill winston
If hes town, lynch Beskar. We don't need beskar, hes just a front for the investigator. A possible mafia front.
Yes, I do indeed understand, but that's more a reflection on Beskar than me.
What he accused Beskar of, was so inaccurate, that everything beyond that point was an obviously bad move. He couldn't back down or answer any questions related to it because it was so off the mark.Quote:
Winston could be telling the truth. I can see how hes trying to do it. If he did copy an ability off Beskar, and its a killing ability, obviously Beskar seems to have admitted to having at least one. Winston is trying to make Beskar say it out loud, so he can figure if he has more than one (which would point to not being a town role, imo) by getting him to say a different one.
I'd bet my head that Winston is mafia, or I will have words with him after the game about when the proper time to lie as a townie is.
I can say with almost absolute certainty that Beskar is not mafia.Quote:
Vote: Kill winston
If hes town, lynch Beskar. We don't need beskar, hes just a front for the investigator. A possible mafia front.
Samus mafia wants me ever, ever so dead, and Beskar is obviously not Dark Samus mafia.
There would have to be a third mafia, and I do not think so. That's not what's going on here.
That's really not my objective and you know it. I appreciate the game you're playing, and I find it very amusing; right up there with Andres' dead+distracting mafia play. Letting him live, as he's caught out lying, is downright foolish. The threat of being lynched tomorrow doesn't enter into it. Or even so, if he's Samus, I want to kill him before I get lynched. If he's mafia, my use to the town is further proven anyway.
The last thing I need is to misfire here. There is no benefit to letting Winston live if what I'm seeing isn't Winston's most horrendous townie mistake ever. Further, if he is "mafia" mafia, as in your team or Samuses, odds are pretty good he's got a reason to attack me tonight.
I believe one of three things is the case here, given your reaction.
1. He's blundered horribly badly as a townie, with a bluff that backfired and made him look scummy. I rate this outcome as highly unlikely for Winston.
2. He is Phazon, and you'd just like to delay him getting killed off so swiftly after yourself and Renata so he can possibly recruit and continue your legacy
3. He's Samus mafia, and you just want to see a maximum amount of non-townie roles survive and cause mayhem for your own amusement.
In any of these cases, I'm not inclined to give you satisfaction by letting him off the hook. You play ruthless, I play ruthless.
Anyway, he's got 24 hours to explain himself, and I am looking forward to it. It's entirely possible he says something interesting. But rest assured, I need a real explanation, not a bluff. It's not going to cut it.
... what happens if mafia playes merciful?
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Beskar's response is hugely hugely scummy.
Scum seem to be crawling all over the "kill winston" request.
Frozen is likely scum.
THERE IS NO EARTHLY REASON TO KILL SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEBATE
Winston quite clearly stated his reason for not saying the power.
Beskar practically ADMITS to having a kill ability here. If someone said they copied a kill ability from me, and I didn't have any, I WOULD NOT say "so what's the name of it?". DUHQuote:
Apparently, he claims he 'copied' a kill ability from me (originally, he apparently had 'all'), and he says I have to fully reveal or he will 'out' me. So entertaining this, I questioned "So, what is the name of this ability then?".
You don't think there's any possibility Beskar is scum, regardless of Winston's role? You noted a few oddities about Beskar's responses just a few posts up... Surely if your only remaining objective is to kill Samus, you'd want to carefully consider all potential suspects for that role.
:eyebrows:
Pizza needs to be lynched tomorrow because he's going to be persistent in pulling strings to kill who he wants. L-O-L at him being nice enough to let the town vote on whether to kill or not to kill his chosen suspect. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. YOU JUMP WHEN WE SAY YOU JUMP, OR YOU DIE.
beskar and frozen are scummy. Let's hear more from autolycus and let the beskar-winston debate play out.
I just want to wipe the slate clean. Lynch pizza, lynch beskar, and then let the TOWN do the scumhunting. And then lynch frozen. We'll see how it goes though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdebQ-y15Dg
This music Tincow?
Could it be because she was attacked by Ridley?
Autolycus only suspects me because of a misunderstanding we had in a private conversation early on. We both came out of it suspecting the other one but just afterward Tincow killed Autolycus in the lynch.
:huh:
You haven't said to jump... I already pointed out, you haven't been decisive in what to do.
On my own, I've decided that there was something wrong with Winston, and put pressure on him. That led to him pressuring Beskar with a bluff that Beskar says is false enough to prove he's mafia.
Now, Winston comes up clean, you lynch Beskar, because that means Beskar is the mafia.
And how would you have arrived at such conclusions? Through townie collaboration, or my efforts?
Give me a break, Sasaki.
You want to kill me, let me crush as many mafiosi as I can before I go. At least give me credit for being freaking useful.
It does if you are amused and they just call you a 'liar' if you say no. By giving a name, you can identify which of the night killers I am being accused of being, which would actually point at me at being mafia.
However, I am being accused of possessing a night kill ability not seen before and apparently has no name or description.
I am calling Winston out of his claim because it is false. That much is evident. I am telling him to 'reveal' this evidence which apparently makes me a mafia. I outright denied having any night kill ability, so "I won't tell you because you might have more" is an incredibly weak argument.
I thought that much was obvious, Sasaki.
I'll agree that Beskar's reponse seems a little off, but Winston is by far the more scummy of the two.
I also have to say that, scum or town, Winston would never attempt a bluff like this if it had this low of a chance of success, so something is obviously up here. Maybe after Winston dies, it will be easier to see.
Alternatively, Winston, just reveal everything now. Pizza's already said he's going to kill you, so you have nothing to lose by revealing.
What's supposed to have happened? Winston is scum and didn't steal a kill ability, and then decided to...?????????????
I think either beskar is scum, or some role is tampering with the results. Bus driver, etc.
Oh my. I love you Sasaki, and I hate you so much, at the same time.
You do know how to apply the pressure; I do think Beskar needed a kick in the hind end.
:bounce:
I can prove that Beskar isn't Samus, or aligned with Samus. Beyond that I have no idea right now.
I think his lead on Winston is correct; I ask you to trust me on that. If it is not, I really have no hesitation with lynching Beskar tomorrow.
This is stuff that I do not think should be delayed; but at the same time, whoever Beskar is, it's not Samus, and I can prove it.
This is a good point. I think a reveal is probably necessary.
I'm trying to get Beskar to say, because it would be more credible coming from him directly than me passing along the message.
He's playing a danged video game though, and I'm trying to grab his attention.
Ooh, are we talking about Dwarf Fortress's adventure mode?
No! Bad Beskie! Play Dwarf Fortress!
Seriously, what game are you talking about? I wanna play, I only have one indie game left to beat.
I'm talking about EU3.
If you want an indie game, go for Super Meat Boy. Check out the arena thread.
I actually came out of my pre-death conversation with Frozen pretty satisfied. It added up with what I saw re-reading the Rubicon game. Then a Hero was killed last night, and that made me suspect Frozen a lot more.
My opinion for all concerned is as follows: Meta-Ridley should kill Winston Hughes. If Winston's innocent, Beskar has some serious 'splaining to do.
Any other scum that aren't on Frozen's team should kill him. I'm pretty sure he is scum, and if he's innocent and you all kill him, then you're not killing other people, and that makes other people happy! :2thumbsup:
Pizza is apparantly.
I meant the mafia :brood:
Well, I just came back from watching the Jersey Shore......
shoot me now please. Other than that, I really see no difference in whether Winston or Beskar is killed this night,
as chances are the one who survives this night would just get lynched.
But hey, I've been wrong before.
Why would you want to? If you clear him now it's just going to make it more difficult for you to explain away lynching or killing him later in the game. Better to let him fend for himself here. I know we mafioso have died off a bit too quickly for you, but attempting to save Beskar here is just going to cause more of a headache for you in the long run.
I really can't tell if you're being serious here or not, so I'll assume that you're not.
If you actually want a response to this, try incorporating what I've already stated about myself and my intentions into your premise, rather than dismissing it out of hand. If you don't want me to dismiss your statements as rubbish, don't assume the same about mine.
There's a combination of factors. Samus/mafia wouldn't be in their right mind to keep me around in favor of anyone, even including Renata who wasn't a slam dunk at the time. Far easier would have been to lynch me. But that's an assumption. Secondly, when I revealed to Beskar, he didn't reveal me immediately to the town, as most ordinary townies or mafia would. If he were a Samus mafia he'd have an interest in destroying me, especially since I told him outright that was my mission.
There are writeup clues which prove that he was elsewhere when the Samus mafia and Dark Samus mafia were attacking.
His claim to me, which only happened under pressure, reveals that he has some abilities and they are verifiable. I can have him scanned to make certain, but I also see them in the writeup, so I don't need to.
I am almost certain Winston Hughes is Samus mafia or remaining Phazon. If he turns up Samus mafia, it's even more convincing that they are not working together, and Beskar's already not working with Dark Samus mafia. So what does that leave?
It fits his claim of Hero faction exactly.
Now, if Winston turns up town, I'll reconsider.
Your sister should be put on war trials.
That show is a crime against humanity, indeed!
But hey, lets ignore my torment and go back on topic.
I'll just cry on Chaotix's shoulder tomorrow in school.
We don't have the same definition of "proof", ATPG. What you gave us ranks more as feelings/intuitions, it doesn't prove anything, but it's an interesting point of view.
So in the end, someone who we have doubts about is gonna die, and we get to read another brilliant writeup by chaotix.
I say thats a win-win.
I'm not saying let Beskar off the hook; but here is what I am saying. We have solid leads on mafia here, and we got Phazon on the ropes. I'd say it is a pretty safe bet Winston is Phazon or Samus-ian.
Autolycus' lead on Frozen is too tempting to ignore, I'd like Frozen to respond to such.
I admit that my definition of proof could be a little looser than most, but it boggles my mind that Beskar could be Samus mafia. Not based on what I've seen and what I know. I'll eat my pizza hut hat if I am wrong.
sigh, beskar probably isn't scum with the day 1 claim. I don't really know what went on in private chat and his scumminess could just be to pushing a bad case.
but you should kill frozen. Why would winston scum make false claims to beskar?
I'm willing to re-check my logic before going ahead with this. Right now I am 75/25, kill Winston over kill Frozen. Here's my stream-of-consciousness on this subject:
I was told something that makes me believe Frozen could be mistaken for mafia. But it's so vague it's not really affecting my decision. What is affecting my decision is Winston's behavior itself. This isn't even a philosophical past behavior argument, which many players will disagree with. This is more of a "there is zero reason not to say" argument.
1. Winston says he can copy a kill power from Beskar, and, in saying so, he says it is a power that hasn't been seen in the writeups before.
2. Winston doesn't say such a thing until I contact him and suggest that I'm going to kill him tonight unless he reveals what the deal is.
3. Beskar calls him on it, says to prove it. Just say which power.
4. Winston hesitates, doesn't say, not even privately.
5. Several people ask him to say publicly, he refuses.
6. I ask him on MSN to say, and he logs off.
There is zero reason not to say. If he has Beskar dead to rights, spill it. You've even got extra time. If Beskar is mafia (my analysis says no, and Winston is trying to bring down a town power role out of sheer spite) then for god's sake man, SAY WHY. I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to kill Frozen tonight if that's the consensus. He's not my top suspect for a reason, but i admit he is a suspect. I think Frozen should be given a chance to give his defense and explanation, since Auto can't be more specific, Frozen can. But Winston had his chance to out Beskar.
Remember, we're halfway through a night phase after an extended day phase. Winston waits this long to say Beskar is scummy because of PROTOWN reasons? And Beskar's being protected at night, so he's obviously not trying to maintain anonymity and vigilante kill him. My pepperoni-covered hind end that this has to do with legitimate pro-town reasons. I don't believe it for a second. But there's still time, I am still waiting for an explanation. Make it good, make it clear, make it make sense. I'm listening; prove me wrong. Just answer the question.
Why would Winston say such a thing as scum? I'll give you several examples.
If he's been nailed to the wall, he has nothing to lose. See: Hitman's gambit for what a cornered mafioso will do when he's caught in the early game. They will say and do anything, including what seems to be irrational, to mess with the town. If he's part of a greater mafia faction, like Samus team, he has every motive to try to drag down the night-protected Beskar. He can't murder Beskar at night, and so his only way to stop Beskar is with the lynch. It reeks of desperation and lack of specifics. It's also not what a townie would do in this situation; he would have and SHOULD have exposed Beskar if his claims were legitimate way back before there was even a go-nowhere tie involving three people, where we needed a suspect. No, he waits until after the tie, and still nothing. Waits until Dark Samus is lynched, and still nothing. This claim appears the instant I suggest he's about to die.
I call bull, and he has time to answer it too. Beskar's not going anywhere, he can be lynched tomorrow if Winston's tale is convincing enough.
I doubt anyone in this game is trusting me implicitly. Even my biggest supporters say leave me alive for a couple rounds. That's a whole lot of trust I'm asking for.
Consider this the seventh fact to dispute. Somewhere buried in my yakety-yak was a good point:
"It's also not what a townie would do in this situation; he would have and SHOULD have exposed Beskar if his claims were legitimate way back before there was even a go-nowhere tie involving three people, where we needed a suspect. No, he waits until after the tie, and still nothing. Waits until Dark Samus is lynched, and still nothing. This claim appears the instant I suggest he's about to die."
I want a logical response to this. I feel it's worth 10 times more than anything I've had to say about this game so far combined.
Did the death threat precede the whole thing?
Another bizarre thing is the "he doesn't name a power" as a trump card. If he fabricated all that he could make up a power name. He named his stealing ability, so, does he genuinely have a stealing ability?
Yes, I can even tell you the time frame.
I sent Winston the following message, verbatim, yesterday at 5:04 AM my time.
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Incoming.
Before I perform my kill on you tonight, mister Hughes, I will give you a chance to plead your case to me privately. Fluffy looks of scum, yes, but honestly... of those who tried to spare Renata's bacon at the last minute, I fear you the most. I also suspect your true motives the most. "You're too good at this game" and all that stuff was very flattering, but I truly feel it came from a place of deception and evil in your heart, friend Winston.
Why should I leave you alive? If you die, what is lost from the town? And, can you back up any claims you make? Further, if I do indeed decide to kill you, I must ask you to spill your data to either myself or Beskar. Whatever you know. If you are townie, I'd rather limit the damage.
Forgiveness please, but I do not trust you sir. If you are some super badass townie role, I will hold my fire and throw townie resources into backing up your claim. I'd also rather not see you get recruited, mister Hughes. Live as a townie, die as a townie.
Convince me, I'm listening and I have a day off
The human memory is frail :(
I forgot he was on the pizza wagon, bah and the whole point of that was to catch scum on that wagon. Much like I ignored renata after putting her on my scum list and went after other people.
He should 100% be killed, beskar though your description of the affair was terrible. edit: no I just didn't read it carefully :p
Didn't see this edit
One thing that is bugging me is that if he is scum, then isn't he aware of other killing powers? He doesn't need to make up a name, just claim Beskar has it.
The trouble is when Beskar gets lynched and is revealed to not be what Winston says, then Winston dies. But it still removes Beskar, so that's satisfactory.
There's still a warning cloud of something is just not right here. I want further explanation, but in the meantime, pro-town Winston steals a killing power from Beskar, and doesn't tell anyone about it, at several key points in the past round. So I run through the logic-
Suppose he's recruitable and trying to become mafia. Okay, then he's got an anti-town agenda and a killing power and he's actively working against them in secret. Kind of hard not to say good-bye to that guy. The behavior adds up.
Suppose he's already mafia, that explains why he doesn't want to draw attention to himself but now he's already in the spotlight. He flinches and comes up with a way to incriminate Beskar so he will last longer, and make Beskar go away permanently. The behavior adds up.
Suppose he's townie and trying to fight for the good of the town. Now I run through the scenario, and I am baffled by certain decision points. The fact that only his death prompted his behavior is interesting but not totally conclusive- did he ever suggest Beskar needed to die? Even hint at it? It would imply that he might have been trying to get rid of Beskar without revealing.
I just want to see how there's a logical sequence of events coming from Winston starting the game as townie, all the way to our current situation. I'm missing pieces for that logical sequence to function properly. Maybe there's an explanation I don't know about.
pevergreen would be one to look at if winston flips town. His "kill winston, if he flips town lynch beskar" post looks sketchy.
This is all I have time for right now, but please see what pizza is trying to do here:
He is desperate to kill me, because either way it gets him a free pass for tomorrow. When I show up innocent, the lynch turns on Beskar. If, on the other hand, I was to show up guilty, he's got another scalp to present to the mob.
Anyhow, since Beskar's lies are going to send me to my grave anyway, there seems no reason to let him off revealing his kill abilities before I die. As I've been saying all along, there is no townie reason for him to keep them secret.
There's no earthly reason you can't name the ability you copied from him.
Let's pretend for a moment you're right, and Beskar is scum. Well? What's the evidence. What's your proof. Where's your answer?
I wasn't desperate to kill you; you're the one who created this situation. If you hadn't acted so bizarrely, Frozen would be my target.
Geez, man, dig yourself a hole.
"If on the other hand I show up as guilty" what is with this hypothetical? :laugh4: I can't believe I blew right past this. Is this an admission of guilt?
@Winston:
I agree with ATPG, there's no reason why you won't name the killing ability that you stole from Beskar. If you are telling the truth, you caught him lying so keeping the ability a secret serves no purpose anymore.
Your refusal to name the killing ability just make me think that you don't have a good answer. I thought a scum would be able to name at least one or two, but then, I'm thinking that you could be the remaining Phazon and that you only know one, using dark energy (like we've seen Dark Samus use in the writeups). And it wouldn't work to name that ability, not really.
Anyway, if you're Town, I suggest that you give us more than your previous post. It ain't difficult really, just name the ability you stole from Beskar. Can't see any drawback to it, if you're Town.
Bah, ATPG ain't going to kill you if a majority of us think you are making sense. If he did, he would be lynched outright.
And what happened to defending yourself fairly, as a townie? It's atypical of you to resign like this, before the end of the day. I'd be expecting more from you.
EDIT: And Beskar said he has no kill ability, so technically he contradicted himself. Just name the ability, sheesh.
@ Winston
You should be able to also describe the icon that the kill uses. For example, if someone claims to have Fire Strike, I'd ask them to say what does the icon look like. If they're lying I will know.
You're acting like you're a cornered mafia with your back to the wall, and the more you focus on me and Beskar, the worse it gets. Yeah, I'm a SK, we know that already. Beskar is a strange cat, he deserves to be looked at, but we're not talking about those guys, we're talking about you and what seems to be your overflowing bag of scum slime. Either make with the proofs or die knowing you could have done more to save yourself.
And yeah, if everyone tells me not to kill Winston, I won't. The whole reason why I contacted Winston was because I was looking for reasons NOT to kill him. Like I did with Seon. I don't like killing randomly, I want to kill Samus. I want to kill mafia, short of that. If someone can reveal something that proves they were too busy elsewhere to be mafia/Samus, then I move on.
If you're townie, Winston, I'm disappointed by your reaction. You're performing a suicide by dragon by being uncooperative.
Yeah, now you're just being unreasonable.
If you're going to die, theres no reason to hide the information.
How in your right mind do you think Beskar would come along now and open up so you can contradict him.
:no: Crazy talk.
There is nothing for me to say, justify or explain really. I pretty much said all I needed to say on this matter. :shrug:
No problem Sasaki, it does come across as very weird, and you can imagine my annoyance when some one keeps sprouting untruthful nonsense to try to make you look bad, and cannot even form a decent case on it. It is a good thing that Winston is so poor at his attempt, everyone can see him for what he really is, a fraud.
If Winston dies and is a town anyway, then there is still no reason to lynch me. Since I am not aware of any survivalist town roles with an ability. Those who have contacted me have been Hero faction or SK (Pizza). Then, if he does end up appearing as a Hero faction, it doesn't absolve the fact he had the worse accusation in existence with no shred of evidence.
VOTE: ATPG
We are still at night.