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Originally Posted by Cuthillius
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Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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i kinda wanna shield sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
hk and rask are good wagons unless something has majorly changed. csargo idk
then tell the wolves to be wolfierQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
i'm sure not leaning into hard pushing people in this state of mind that's not going to go well
Only you can help me yeet Newcomb.
i reiterate though i think newcomb legit has not tried to solve the game at all, he has no reads he cares about, nothing hes doing is meaningful in any way
vote: Sunbae
vote: raskolnikov
sorry if wrong
vote: Newcomb
fingers crossed but i do not like any other wagon at all really
glgl
ya...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
jfc
vote: ladd
if i die n1 read newcombs eod3 in his wildcar game he got mled in
fun fun fun
thx everyone
Vote: raskolnikov
sorcerer target newcomb better, even ladd tbh
vote: newcomb
Vote: Ladd
https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg
vote: ladd
o crap what sthe tally
glgl
i have no balls
absolutely night an dayQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
i really dont want either ladd or newc but i prefer laddQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
sorry ladd I ddidn't want to
Unvote
DAY IS OVER.
STOP POSTING.
00 Good, 01 Bad, as usual.
I will be posting a tally momentarily.
10 minutes for corrections.
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
Ladd has been killed. They were the Mafia N3 Sorcerer.
Night actions due 1 hour before start of day, 7pm Saturday night american eastern time, approx 23 hours from now.
Please PM me the actions preferably.
ALSO
Dolby is subbing in for monstrdude. Thanks Dolby.
Alive:
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13.monstrbroDolby
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Dead:
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
Winston Hughes has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.
Day ends in roughly 48 hours from now, at 8pm American Eastern time, 25th of April.
The bomb vested player (if one exists) has 36 hours to PM me their target (I will only accept PMs), before their target will be randomised (or nothing will happen, if the player selected is dead).
Alive: (15/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13.monstrbroDolby, replaced after EOD1
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Dead: (2/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
DAY HAS STARTED. YOU MAY POST.
Newcomb wagon - Ender/katze/Sleep - upper-null (Sleep might trend down, or lock clear if NC scum)
Sunbae upper-null
Dobby, Cape, HK, NC null
Zack, Csargo, Dolby lower-null
Nebbie scum
Cuth, I think I'll lock ya for a couple days, but not permanently given how you discussed ladd's slot throughout the day. Winston, Rask, you get a day pass, and probably a lock clear if NC is scum. Hopefully Star Trek II is reprising, except with only the good parts. It's hard to believe, but not a single one of you was in Star Trek II (though HK was probably aware of it, and he participated in the Mario 2 debacle).
Nebbie, I believe you could be the Mafia Stalker now.
Zack, are you sure you're not with Csargo? Although I do note that while I was slanking, ladd offered some kind of wack analysis about me being a "perfectly competent wolf" supposedly based on having read all my games or something - and you correctly identified this as townspewing me (see my walls).
It's is extremely likely that there was at least one other maf among the many protowagons around EOD, and potentially even among Newcomb or Rask. Overlooking D1 scum multiwagons has killed a successful town more than once in my relatively-recent experience. And with this many competing wagons, it's at least 95%, the details of which will always have to be guessed when forming plausible wagonomics associations moving forward.
@ both Zack and HK: Zack, in Mass Effect you hosted as Dolby was consensus scum-read and sacrificed (Logic sub). HK, you were town with me in Mario 2 when Dolby subbed in late onto a winning Mafia team and easily sealed the deal.
Figure out if he's clearable today pl0x.
Anyway, for doing all the things and ranking Zack/Ladd/Newcomb highly, Vote: Nebbie
Let the anointed please suicide Newcomb today, unless you're maf. It provides excellent info on Sleep, katze, Winston, and Rask at a minimum.
****
I expected Cuth to die, but OK.
who has the bomb
Not to get off-topic, but this is like the one guy presenting his calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
monty why does my slot get lower nulled
actually why is everyone but benneh represented as a nullread
Vote: Dobby
There can only be one
I had Monstr lower-null.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolby
That's where they belong, except the heroes of the day (Rask and Cuth).Quote:
actually why is everyone but benneh represented as a nullread
Chill on who to suicide, don't rush into that.
gg winston
rip winston, I'll join you soon.
I did not get bombed and that makes me The Big Sad
ladd starts out tring monty, benneh > sleep and sring ender and sunbae, with sunbae probably being relatively dismissable. imo benneh hadn't done anything overly readable on the first couple of pages, i imagine that the justification on monty being townread is connected to his setup mech on p1 and that is not a stable read elevation for w/w. Ender was a wagon a few hours before EoD and this is the first instance of him being sussed at all in the game, will see if this develops. Also ender just responding to others is kinda how he is early gameQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Monty, have you read Ladd for spew?
he'll need to make posts for me to do that but sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I read the flip before I read the posts from after I left, I honestly was thinking cuth seemed w/w with ladd before he voted ladd at the last second lol. I thought rask wasn't posting that great during EOD but he also voted ladd, though seems like this was just self-pres.
Monty could be a villager, but he is also a filthy filthy busser and should not be cleared IMO (esp cuz the way ladd treated him was a bit odd if monty is town imo, plus Monty tried to unvote anyway).
benneh seems surface-level not great from ladd's flip, possible he would have tried to direct traffic elsewhere harder during EOD as a wolf, but caveat that the ladd bumrush was mostly last second.
HK maybe got off too easy yesterday, he has not really done much solving at all that I can recall, ladd shielded him a decent amount too.
dobby saying he wanted the sorc to target newcomb or ladd but "really didnt want" to lunch them doesnt make much sense to me and is possibly just a wolfy thing to say, esp the way he threw in ladd in addition to newcomb after seeing ladd get voted at the end.
I think sunbae's posts may have given people the impression that I townread ladd a lot more than I did. I want to reiterate that the highest I ever put ladd was "slightly above null" fairly early in the day, which really doesn't mean anything (as I even said later in the day, and I am never posting reads lists again on d1 because I'm so tired of how people read into d1 shrug reads as being ironclad declarations). I had a string of posts crapping on ladd, starting around 560, and never took any of that back or said ladd was villagy after that, though I did mentally note benneh's post saying ladd was "Just A Villager" and pumped the brakes a bit. When I left I had zero idea ladd was an actual possibility of dying d1 and there were no votes on him. though I wouldn't personally have pulled the trigger on a d1 lunch ladd myself (but since the other option was apparently newcomb for some reason, maybe I would have tbh).
unrelated but csargo seems more in his villager meta than the wolf one i think
from reading ladd iso last night:
- newcomb doesnt seem partnered. related to that, katze was one of the most notable "newcomb = wolfy" ppl of d1, ladd has newcomb as his top obvtown and enthusiastically proposes katze lead eod? is this a thing that happens with w/w? I think ladd just didn't want to have newcomb on his case in this game.
- weirdly defensive of monty after he got votes? and the ways he was arguing it werent super great reasons
- still think ladd/ender w/w is perfectly plausible, they never seriously tried to kill each other, seemed kinda fake to me. the way ender latched onto the newcomb pushers didnt sit right with me either, seemed opportunistic and not like a real push
- sleep/cape prob v/v, sorta felt like ladd was setting up sleep to look bad after a cape flip - i don't think sleep had any real chance of being yeeted yesterday, but cape did (and ladd wouldn't have had to get his hands dirty for it)
it's also not how ladd treated newcomb at all when they were w/w in rocks fall, fwiw
monty why did you unvote at eod
Hiya
i was legit too anxious to check the game thread until daystart and i feel super psyched having been right
hoping i was right on ladd/newcomb w/w
probably shouldn't be responding to stuff when i'm on post 75 but wanting to sorc players that you respect and not yeet them isn't a scummy pov
gut level take is that both zack and sunbae are good based on how lad posted toward them
seemed to me like a way to glom cred without actually doing anything :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolby
I'm pretty sure both PRs should claim today to ensure the bomber doesn't blast one?
I'm also pretty sure the bomber should have targeted a poe villa read?
I'm very happy with how I handled myself yesterDayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
Absolute fucking madlads lol
I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.
Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?
and also i kind of liked some of capes posting toward eod yesterday
willing to dial that read back for a bit
rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
Yeah you nailed it w/r/t ladd I think. Thanks for the warning <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
I'd very much appreciate your take on how Ender treated specifically me during the day yesterday. I need some outside takes on it because I can come up with an argument for either alignment I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
I mean he could have easily voted me instead and not gotten a ton of flack for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zack
hi i dont really know what to say other than i think newcomb is probably town now
How do you feel about Ladd attacking me and you shortly after we suspected Cape?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
the EOD votes were so late and chaotic, I really would not make that assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
Zack, entirely possible seeing you/newcomb/ladd all start throwing suspicion my way made me think you three were higher on each other than you really were. I thought you/newcomb were entirely reasonable in your suspicions and was just trying to warn you. Maybe wasn't needed.
Zack, thoughts on these?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Isn't that like, all the more reason he's probably not with ladd? Like, from a w!rask perspective he knows ladd is his partner, he knows i'm town, there's a lot going on, he sees the ladd wagon building and knows it's ~close even if he doesn't know the exact count, that would be a wild play to pile onto your partner there.Quote:
Originally Posted by zack
I am almost certain that Roro is a villager fwiw
It's fine, I'm just saying that because of how people like Monty entered the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
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Originally Posted by zack
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Originally Posted by zack
Think Zack mighta be onto something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by zack
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
I have really started to just give less and less attention to who voted who and whatnot and evaluate more on who's wolfy and who's towny. Bussing and distancing that is perhaps suboptimal happens in every game, constantly.
think HK is towny in the early game (<120)
think Dobby is not
kinda think that there aren't more than 1 partner agreeing with ladd's early ender read
I do think his overall body of work seemed fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
it was just that thing that skeeved me out a bit
I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.Quote:
Originally Posted by zack
imma be honest i kinda wish i had the bomb because it'd give me a little bit of personal redemption after d1 but alas
kinda still hoping i was right even if i don't rly believe it
gonna float around for a bit but i do wanna hear from benneh some cause i'm p paranoid of him rn
monty if you think i bus there i have no words for you lol
Howdy
nice work on ladd
i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking
i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that
Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today
maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.
yeah i think if it was a goon flip sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Newcomb
but losing sorceror esp when a strong player is
going beyond like bussing in order to clear with that degree of things being up in the air into just actively antiwincon territory
newcomb and ladd agreeing to let me control EoD (even though i didn't) is the main reason im in the direction if newcomb V rnQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i think i would feel more strongly about this if ladd ever had much traction, but he really didn't for the most partQuote:
Originally Posted by zack
I suppose but I’d also expect that wolf team to think they’re just capable of doing enough and surviving the night? I mean, I wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
i dislike that you said "clearing" because that implies something a lot stronger than anyone actually saidQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
it just doesn't seem that partner-y to me; I could be wrong
My recollection of EoD there was that it was between Ladd and me, not ladd and rask. I'm backreading that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by zack
Anyways, this was just a drive by. I'll be around overnight phase and dig into things more. I have ... a lot ... of thoughts but I want to give myself some time to let it formulate and get organized and stuff. I also wanna see how Newc digs in to things today because I think that's a critical alignment for my solve (and I think I can figure it out without flipping him).