Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Newcomb]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

[Sleep]

and also i kind of liked some of capes posting toward eod yesterday

willing to dial that read back for a bit

[Zack]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?

[Newcomb]

I'm very happy with how I handled myself yesterDay

Yeah you nailed it w/r/t ladd I think. Thanks for the warning <3

[Sunbae]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

I'd very much appreciate your take on how Ender treated specifically me during the day yesterday. I need some outside takes on it because I can come up with an argument for either alignment I think.

[Newcomb]

rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?

I mean he could have easily voted me instead and not gotten a ton of flack for it.

[katze]

hi i dont really know what to say other than i think newcomb is probably town now

[Sunbae]

and also i kind of liked some of capes posting toward eod yesterday

willing to dial that read back for a bit

How do you feel about Ladd attacking me and you shortly after we suspected Cape?

[Zack]

I mean he could have easily voted me instead and not gotten a ton of flack for it.

the EOD votes were so late and chaotic, I really would not make that assumption.

[Sunbae]

Zack, entirely possible seeing you/newcomb/ladd all start throwing suspicion my way made me think you three were higher on each other than you really were. I thought you/newcomb were entirely reasonable in your suspicions and was just trying to warn you. Maybe wasn't needed.

[Sunbae]

I'm pretty sure both PRs should claim today to ensure the bomber doesn't blast one?

I'm also pretty sure the bomber should have targeted a poe villa read?

Zack, thoughts on these?

[Newcomb]

the EOD votes were so late and chaotic, I really would not make that assumption.

Isn't that like, all the more reason he's probably not with ladd? Like, from a w!rask perspective he knows ladd is his partner, he knows i'm town, there's a lot going on, he sees the ladd wagon building and knows it's ~close even if he doesn't know the exact count, that would be a wild play to pile onto your partner there.

[Sunbae]

I am almost certain that Roro is a villager fwiw

[Zack]

Zack, entirely possible seeing you/newcomb/ladd all start throwing suspicion my way made me think you three were higher on each other than you really were. I thought you/newcomb were entirely reasonable in your suspicions and was just trying to warn you. Maybe wasn't needed.

It's fine, I'm just saying that because of how people like Monty entered the day.

this is the post i was talking about. like no offense but this seems kind of, well... dumb. do you really believe this? these two things are giving you the FEAR, seriously?

the cuth post was not very serious (and i thought that was clear given how it was presented, but maybe not)

I'm finding it hard to believe ladd saw this post and thought holy crap, zack might be a wolf!!!

#things that didnt happen

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction?

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

if I say this was a good katze post, will you take me off the bottom of your list?

[Newcomb]

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction?

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

Think Zack mighta be onto something here.

[Zack]

Isn't that like, all the more reason he's probably not with ladd? Like, from a w!rask perspective he knows ladd is his partner, he knows i'm town, there's a lot going on, he sees the ladd wagon building and knows it's ~close even if he doesn't know the exact count, that would be a wild play to pile onto your partner there.

I have really started to just give less and less attention to who voted who and whatnot and evaluate more on who's wolfy and who's towny. Bussing and distancing that is perhaps suboptimal happens in every game, constantly.

[Dolby]

think HK is towny in the early game (<120)

think Dobby is not

kinda think that there aren't more than 1 partner agreeing with ladd's early ender read

[Zack]

I am almost certain that Roro is a villager fwiw

I do think his overall body of work seemed fine

it was just that thing that skeeved me out a bit

[Newcomb]

I have really started to just give less and less attention to who voted who and whatnot and evaluate more on who's wolfy and who's towny. Bussing and distancing that is perhaps suboptimal happens in every game, constantly.

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

[katze]

imma be honest i kinda wish i had the bomb because it'd give me a little bit of personal redemption after d1 but alas

kinda still hoping i was right even if i don't rly believe it

gonna float around for a bit but i do wanna hear from benneh some cause i'm p paranoid of him rn

[Cuthillius]

monty if you think i bus there i have no words for you lol

[nebjiamn]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

[Zack]

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

[Cuthillius]

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

yeah i think if it was a goon flip sure

but losing sorceror esp when a strong player is

going beyond like bussing in order to clear with that degree of things being up in the air into just actively antiwincon territory

[katze]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

newcomb and ladd agreeing to let me control EoD (even though i didn't) is the main reason im in the direction if newcomb V rn

[Cuthillius]

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

i think i would feel more strongly about this if ladd ever had much traction, but he really didn't for the most part

[nebjiamn]

newcomb and ladd agreeing to let me control EoD (even though i didn't) is the main reason im in the direction if newcomb V rn

I suppose but I’d also expect that wolf team to think they’re just capable of doing enough and surviving the night? I mean, I would

[Zack]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

i dislike that you said "clearing" because that implies something a lot stronger than anyone actually said

it just doesn't seem that partner-y to me; I could be wrong

[Newcomb]

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

My recollection of EoD there was that it was between Ladd and me, not ladd and rask. I'm backreading that now.

[Sunbae]

Anyways, this was just a drive by. I'll be around overnight phase and dig into things more. I have ... a lot ... of thoughts but I want to give myself some time to let it formulate and get organized and stuff. I also wanna see how Newc digs in to things today because I think that's a critical alignment for my solve (and I think I can figure it out without flipping him).