The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

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Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

For those looking at boudica because she was blocked, I will again point out that Sigurd and Quintus.JC were also blocked on a night with just 1 kill.

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And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

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And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch

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Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Vote: Beefy

That's total WIFOM (or something along the lines of it, anyway), and I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed till now. How do you expect QJC to be lynched if you won't tell us why to vote for him? Furthermore, for what reason did you think you would stay alive on the basis of not providing a reason for your vote, instead of the other way around?

Any reason that you could have must be better than no reason at all- until you explain your vote, you're looking kinda scummy to me.

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I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Originally Posted by El Diablo

Ummm YOU told us to lynch Tevash, and then cast the deciding vote???

Also at time we did not know that you had been blocked!!!!

Your mutterings are starting to look more scummy and less helpful to town.

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Er you are completely missing my point. TevashSzat was a GREAT lynch, but not because of inferences made from his roleblock. Rather because of the greatness of destiny and Andres and probability conferring favoring me.

However, according to TinCow, TevashSzat was a good lynch because he was roleblocked and there were no kills. Now he is taking a completely different approach with boudica. I am merely pointing out his inconsistency.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Askthepizzaguy's death is by blade and not gun, suspecting me to believe it was by the same guy who offed me and not Mafia.

White_eyes:D I never wanted to be lynched, though that clue basically gives my role away I guess...

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So you guys finally see how I wasn't guilty at all right? Reenk just had a special role that probably needed him dead or almost killed or something like that, sheesh I can't believe you guys were still thinking that I was scummy.....

boudica- I suck at analyzing new players
GeneralHankerchief-roleblocker=innocent
Jolt- Worth a look
seireikhaan- seems similar to Golden in my opinion. I believe he was scum in GR so a possible scum
Rythmic- WoG bait, not worth a lynch
shlin28-seems kind of quiet, don't know what to make of it
Tiberius of the Drake- seems quiet, but he usually is
187Beefyz- I'm not getting good vibes off of him
Chaotix27- no opinion
Quintus.JC- no opinion
YLC- umm, is he a vigilante? If so I say we go with the tried and true "kill the vig" strategy. irony/
Sigurd-Seems normal so far, worth a look later on when there's more to analyze
woad&fangs-THAT'S ME!
Yoyoma1910- I want to see how GR turns out before I pass judgement on him
Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him
Lord Winter- basically confirmed innocent because of inactivity. No idea why the scum let him live
CountArach- I believe his busy excuse
Caius- appears Caiusy.
El Diablo- wait...he didn't get meatballed on round 1??? That's really out of character. lynch him!
Glyphz- I think he's a lot quieter(like in this game) when he doesn't have a role. probably innocent.
Seamus Fermanagh- seems to be his normal analytical self
Ignoramus- lurking. nothing new from when i've played with him in the past.

so... from my scummy list

Jolt
seireikhaan
shlin28
beefy
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun

lets vote: shlin28

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Alright, now that we have that taken care of...

Unvote: Beefy

I'm not getting really scummy vibes any more now that you've explained your vote, which seems to be more or less just a hunch anyway. I thought you might have had a role and were hiding something... :laugh4:

Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

And yet TevashSzat was a good lynch and it was good for me to be killed because we were both roleblocked on night 2? :inquisitive: :rolleyes4:

The wishy-washiness and inconsistencies of many of your theories is maddening.

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Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

vote:jolt

same reason as last round.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Don't be obtuse. My point was not that boudica is a bad lynch, but rather that Sigurd and Quintus are equally worthy of the same attention.

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Well this is a much better clarification, but I do hope you can realize how a person would interpret your initial statement in the manner I did without being obtuse.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

I understand. I just thought QJC is scummy for me and thats my personal opinion. If everyone ales disagrees then his not going to get lynched.

Reason I voted for QJC is because ATPG was killed. I suspect the murderer are the player who played with ATPG in the last few games and considered him a threat. However by saying this, I realized that ATPG accused me before I died and thus ill be seen as a likely suspect. Which I am not, because by killing ATPG it will pretty much confirm him innocent and makes it even more dangerous for the mafia then it originally were. But by saying this its a WIFOM and its going to get my lynched.

Here I signed to the letter of death for me. Hang me, crucify me, do as you wish :shame:

Sorry for the poor performance so far. If not in this game.

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Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz


Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

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Originally Posted by Lord Winter

Why not just post that at first? If nothing else its erratic behavior which is the best lead I've got for now.

Vote: Beefyz


Also there are multiple families, so a kill isn't a confirmed innocent.

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Oh yea thats right. Forgot about the multiple families.

1) I was indeed lulled to sleep by GH last night.
2) I am not a member of either mafia family
3) I shall be back later to answer any questions if anyone has any / protest my innocence / vote later on today

I had to quickly read over the thread again to freshen up on things.
The night reports from Andres were particularly interesting (hard to find without a separate thread or links in the OP). :smash:

Night one #102
Night two #259
Night three #317
Night four #428

On the first night there was only one kill by a silenced gun. There is also something about a hysterical man and blades.

Second night has no kills, but yet again the hysterical man whet stoning a sword which is incidentally dropped and later picked up by the athletic man. Also, he seems to talk to someone or is schizophrenic. Two men digging up the graves of the dead looking for something and lose a gun which is later picked up by the athletic man.

Third night had three kills. Hysterical man destroys the statue of Atemis.
The shadow kills RR accusing him of seeking a package.
Two kills by men with silenced guns.

Fourth night had one kill. No mention of the hysterical man. A new character (shady figure) finds an envelope. Two dark figures dig up the graves of the dead.
The shadow kills pizzaguy implying some shady business going on.

My initial thought after reading the night reports is that we are possibly dealing with several active night roles. I have coloured them based on alignment. Neutral (green) until we can determine if they are good or bad for town.

Night one:
1 gun killer
1 crazy guy.

Night two
2 guys (digging up bodies)
1 crazy guy
1 companion of crazy guy

Night three
1 crazy guy
1 shadow killer
2 gun killers

Night four
1 shady guy
1 shadow killer
2 guys (digging up bodies)


All in all 8 characters.

I suspect however that the two gun killers and the grave diggers are the same. They are taking every other night off to dig up the bodies they shot the night before. They are obviously looking for something inside the bodies and need to kill them in order to be able to check them.

This brings us down to 6 characters.
We know that GH is the old guy and that the athletic guy has a sword and a gun. Could it be that the athletic guy is the shadow killer?
The total should then be around 7 characters.

Crazy guy and apprentice = Bernard and Juliette
2 guys with guns and showels = Günner and Fehrad
Shadow killer = Manfredo
Shady guy = secret role…
Old blocker guy (GH)

We also suspect that RR, Tevash and pizzaguy possibly had roles. But there were 2 diggers on night 4 which according to my theory counts for both Günner and Fehrad being alive.
It could also mean that even if we did kill/lynch bad guys, the bad guys are recruiting.
Could it be that YLC is the shadow killer?

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

My vote this round goes to CountArach. He was quite active in the first part of this game, but has since dropped off the planet. He mentioned a hectic week at work, but his initial analysis makes me suspect he is in the informed minority. He called Bernard a Godfather type. I can’t see where he would get that idea.

Vote: CountArach.

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Well I'm much less busy now. I'm still busy until about Sunday but I should be able to get some posting done. I'll have some analysis done within the next hour.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Now, I'm gonna Vote: Jolt, because even after his explanation, although I have no reason to believe it's false, it still looks like he was just pining for an excuse to lurk early on. Though I suppose I myself should not be one to talk..

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Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

FoS: Jolt

Retaliatory voting to ensure he is not lynched. Lots of people disagree about this, but I think that most people know where I stand - a townie should be willing to go quietly so we can hear the mafia go out with a bang.

I believe that Beefy has been something of a strange player this game. This post isn't getting very much attention.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

Vote: QJC

If I say the reason why, ill end up dead

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His later explanation of gut instinct is just useless. Random voting at this point, where we do actually have evidence, is not pro-town gameplay. It simply serves to misdirect the town and dorwns out useful discussion.

Vote: Beefy

What's FoS?

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Originally Posted by Jolt

What's FoS?

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Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

Sigurd, thanks for the summary, you've got some useful info there. I hadn't noticed that the repeated descriptions of the shadowy killer, but it's definitely there. Notice in the OP:

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Manfredo : a man surrounded by shadows; his abilities and allegiance are secret.

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The shadows aren't a coincidence, the shadow killer is Manfredo.

In addition, you point out that the athletic man picked up a gun and a sword. Both murders by the shadow killer have been with a blade, the second one specifically with a sword. This is consistent with my earlier theory that Manfredo is the athletic man.

So, it seems to me that Manfredo is leading the lynch voting and has killed two people who appeared scummy, not random targets. Thus, I think Manfredo is pro-town and is at least a vigilante, if not a combo vigilante/detective type role.

Günner and Fehrad seem to have to examine dead bodies. They seem happy to look at bodies that other people have killed to try and find their object, but they also generate more bodies of their own when needed. Their kills are more random than Manfredo's. I also do think that ATPG's death write-up and its placement immediately after the Günner and Fehrad action description gives a possibility that ATPG was either Günner or Fehrad. There is the added complication of GH blocking ATPG on that night, but the failure of that to work might have a couple causes. Maybe Günner and Fehrad are immune to it or maybe Manfredo somehow caused it to fail.

RR claims to be the hysterical man, who is essentially a 'ghost.' This now seems plausible to me based on the write-ups.

This leaves Bernard and Isabelle as the only unknown roles left. Bernard is clearly trying to kill Manfredo. Isabelle is a copy of a similar role in the previous game. That means she'll be killing people who previously voted for Bernard. I think it would be a very valuable exercise to pay close attention to who any dead person voted for if an Isabelle kill pops up. So far, she does not appear to kill, which suggests that Bernard has never received a lynch vote.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

Bleh@reason for vote. Being proven (As I have) that I didn't kill any of the three (Since even if I lied about my own personal life, the fact is that I wasn't online in the day there were 3 people killed), and thinking there are like 6 killers, and supposing that noone of them has been killed I have less than 5% (Like 3/90, not good at math) of being someone with a mafia role. Thus, you're basically lynching at random, and since most of us are townies, you have a gigantic chance (100%, for lynching me) to lynch a townie.
Yoyoma's reason is (Sorry, no offence, since you may lynch who you wish) stupid beyond conception.

I was stuck between YLC and CA, but I'll go with YLC.

Vote: YLC

EDIT: Since I'm at risk of being lynched, I'll prefer CA who already has a vote.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: CountArach

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Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Finger of Suspicion. Basically I am just saying that I am keeping my eye on you.

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Aren't townies supposed to survive? >_> I'm with all this noise since I am being lynched for no reason. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to die (As Chaotix said). I've illibated myself already. Thus I even have less chance of being a Mafia guy than most people around here (With the exception of Lord Winter, I think). I wonder why other people like QJC or Yoyoma, aren't getting more attention.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Nonetheless, please explain the case more thoroughly against me and CA.

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In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

In your supposed showdown with RR might be a bit of coincidence that he was killed before that could happen, and curiously enough you also got correct with your prediction of ATPG dieing, furthermore these last days you have been rather quiet. On CA I thought Sigurd's analysis was correct, but I had stronger suspicions, about you, thus why I voted for you in the beginning.

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That's called luck, bad or good, name it. I am not the Vig, I'm a bloody townie, just like you.

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Originally Posted by w&f

Ibn-Khaldun- I think more pressure should be put on him

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And the reason is????:inquisitive:

Anyway I Vote: shlin28

Tally:

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
Jolt: 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Ibn-Khaldun)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)

Quintus.JC: 1 (187Beefyz)


Nice 5 way tie we've got going here.

Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC

Unvote: shlin28

Vote: Jolt

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Tally:

Jolt: 3 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun)

boudica: 2 (YLC, El Diablo)
187Beefyz: 2 (Lord Winter, CountArach)
CountArach: 2 (Sigurd, Jolt)
Quintus.JC: 2 (187Beefyz, GeneralHankerchief)
shlin28: 1 (woad&fangs)

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Care to explain that vote change? As I see it, the case against Jolt is the weakest out of all 6 of the lynch contenders. He is a curious choice to put out in front without any explanation.