With your permission, I can leave an invite to my next game on your profile page, and if you have time and the interest, feel free to join. If not, no response is necessary.
:bow:
Printable View
Understood.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Just kidding. Enjoy the game folks; this one looks like it was fun.
Just a couple of comments in relation to strategy, etc. I will explain some:
One of the things with real-life mafia is the concept of body-language. You don't just see what people say, but also how they act. However, you always have to be mindful of not what they are doing, but WHY. The why is the critical difference. Many people act in lots of different ways, a lot of them look very suspicious, not only that, it could be a Mafia-tactic or simple innocent blunders.
In honesty, what Stephen Asen is doing is a actually a good Mafia play-style, if done right. What he is doing, he trying to blacken my image and draw attention to me and continues to do so over several rounds (opposed to himself). What happens, is that unconscious, people remember him constantly having a go at me, and people are more inclined to support his side. However, as a mafia play-style, this is attracting attention away from the centre, in this case, himself, and passing the blame onto another player which would give them more time to survive. This is a valid Mafia-role tactic that could be currently employed.
However, as I said, he could just be after pure revenge, which is still a very bad move as it is wasting valuable lynches on people that are innocent, which will allow to innocents to die just because they want revenge at a suggestion they were a mafia-role.
Thing with Mafia, there will never be any real evidence that some one is a Mafia-role member. You have to try to pull things together, even if they are loose and flimsy, if it is the best course of action to take.
For pure example purposes, Sasaki has suspicious things about him, which might mean Mafia-role, pro-town role or whatever role. However, this doesn't mean you vote for him every turn. Not only need you need an argument to convince people, it relies heavily on timing. If you vote for him every turn, it can make your vote "worthless" as even the Mafia-role will know you will vote for him, and they could just kill you off and and it proves nothing about Sasaki, as he could have nothing to do with the matter. Same with abstaining, abstaining is also the way you get targeted as your votes and sways mean nothing. Then obviously, while you are waiting for the perfect time, there is a good argument against some one for that round, for example, Shlin, you obviously target some one like him to get help get rid of some one who could potentially be a Mafia-role member, opposed to letting your vote go to waste.
Anyway, one tactic I used earlier which I won't use again, so I am basically going to explain it. The reason I won't use it was because another person messaged me about it, saying that tactic isn't approved due to trouble it can cause trouble, is called the "Pressure Can". This is basically have to imagine a player is a can, and the idea is, you apply heat to the can, the pressure builds up inside, then they explode. This has three outcomes. This is useful for every role in the game. The other one, you make them "burst" and reveal they are infact a Mafia-role member, or they make sure to lynch you that night. The second option is that they explode and they reveal they weren't actually a mafia-role. Either way, it produces answers in the persons favour, as in revealing their identity, or a possible third is that internal mechanisms silence them, to order to remain cool. There is also the possible 4th where some one knows what you are doing, but that is near impossible to fake in real-life Mafia.
~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~
Night 5 - Conclusion.
Hour of the Rat
Saruwatari Kazunari (Crazed Rabbit) was cleaning his swords with a silk cloth. When the swords were both clean, he put them back in their scabbard.
He decided to meditate first before going to sleep. The events of the past few days had been disturbing, even for a man who had already seen his share of bloodshed and cruelty.
While taking a few deep breaths and clearing his head, he didn’t notice the shady figure entering his room. The dark warrior silently moved up to the meditating samurai, a black knife in his right hand.
Saruwatari’s body seemed to relax and he slowly got into a deep, mental trance. The killer didn’t wait any longer and with a clean, strong blow, he pierced the knife into Saruwatari’s throat, moving it upwards right through his brains, killing him instantly.
The murderer left the room unnoticed.
~~~
Hour of the Rat
Miyamoto Musashi (Husar) was standing near the campfire, guarding the front door towards the chambers of his Lord. He liked standing guard near the campfire: it gave the illusion of being warm, nobody could hide into the shadows to sneak up on you and feeding logs to the fire broke the monotony of the night.
A chilly northern wind was blowing and the swordmaster put down his naginata to grab some more firewood.
While his head was down, a cloaked man jumped down from the roof, in his hand a kanabo, aimed for his head. Miyamoto’s incredible fast reflexes saved his life as he quickly moved aside. The kanabo missed his head but hit Miyamoto’s right shoulder very hard, breaking his collarbone.
Allthough Miyamoto could only defend himself with his katana, which he was holding in his left hand, the killer didn’t want to take any more risks and quickly left the scene, unrecognized.
~~~
Hour of the Rat
Fujimoto Junishiro (Glenn) was back in his room. What was happening right now, was disastrous and he was very worried about his Lords’ safety.
On a more personal level, he had an extra reason (as if any more motivation was needed) to catch these ninja and to get out of here. That reason was called “Mariko”, his fiancée. After his third season of campaigning with the Takeda, her father had finally admitted that he was manly enough to marry his daughter. If this mess would end well, he would marry her before the next campaign would start.
Fujimoro smiled at the thought of the beautiful Mariko, his blossom.
Unfortunately, two strong dark gloved hands abruptly ended his dreams in a most cruel way, squeezing his throat until he died. The killer pierced a dagger through Fujimoro’s right eye, into his brains, for good measure and then left the room unnoticed.
~~~
Hour of the Ox
Fujimoto Shinichi (A Very Super Market) was standing guard outside the gate. This was the worst place to stand guard, since it was outside the walls with absolutely no cover against the snow and the chilly northern wind and without fire to keep him warm.
Fujimoto cursed. It was the third time he had been given this rotten task. Never had a senior samurai been standing guard here. And it didn’t make sense to stand guard outside either, since the killers that were operating were clearly working from the inside and nobody could reach the yashiki through the impenetrable mountain passes.
The wind was blowing heavily and fresh snow was falling out of the sky. Fujimoto didn’t hear the sounds of the man walking towards him, carrying a sharp katana. With one fluent movement, the man pierced the katana through Fujimoto’s body, right through his armor. The young samurai looked down and saw the point of the sword thrusting out of his chest. It didn’t take more than a few seconds for him to die.
The murderer quickly left the scene.
~~~
Day 5 - Rivers of blood.
Hour of the Rabbit
The Tiger was eating breakfeast. He looked how his injured bodyguard got treated by a comrade. He nodded calmly to the man and stood up.
Lord Takeda entered the courtyard and went to his platform. He looked down and didn’t show any emotions when he saw the bodies of the murdered men. It was something that was getting all too familiar.
Shaking his head he watched the scroll with the challenges. He nodded towards Sanada Yukimura (YLC) and Nakashima Ritsu (TinCow).
Both men bowed deeply for their master and nodded to each other. A senior officer nodded to both men: “No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi.
Both men nodded again.
Sanada unsheeted his katana and immediately attacked Nakashima. The long sword struck for his neck and he barely blocked the blow.
Sanada stepped backwards and circled around Nakashima. Sweat was dripping from their faces. Suddenly, Sanada unsheeted his wakizashi and struck with both swords simultaneously. With pure luck, Nakashima managed to block both blows. Sanada was unbalanced and Nakashima took advantage of the situation by swinging his katana at his opponent. Sanada stepped to the right and the katana barely missed him.
Both men watched each other and it was clear they started to respect their opponent. Sanada lifted his katana and jumped forwards, a blow that would have been lethal if it weren’t for Nakashima bowing through his knees and rolling forward, piercing his katana through Sanada’s belly.
The deadly injured samurai looked down in disbelief. His opponent finished the duel by separating Sanada’s head from his body.
After the fight, he bowed deeply for his master, who nodded back respectfully.
While the woodpiles were burning, the men started to discuss the events.
~~~
Alive (36):
TinCow
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk
Killed (17):Reenk Roink
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Fallen in battle (4):El Diablo
Northnovas
Ignoramus
YLC
Lynched (4):TosaInu
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
WoG/Suicide (3):Jolt
Xehh II
Beaver
~~~
It's now day, you can start voting. Day will last +/- 24 hours, that's until 10.00 pm (GMT+1).
:bow:
Vote:TinCow
Interesting kill choices, vote tomorrow after my exam.
Vote: Beskar
OOC: Good luck with your exam! :2thumbsup:
I have failed to live up to my name :stwshame:
I just hope I have not failed my master, even in death.
Our bovine friend seems rather mobile, a hint perhaps?
Re Night Kills, same scenario as before, 2 ninja, 1 SK, 1 traitor. Second ninja kill failed today against CA's bodyguard. I assume he has a survival chance against night kills as there was no mention of a protector?
What is SK?
Hmm... :book:Quote:
Our bovine friend seems rather mobile, a hint perhaps?
Tincow - getting Rhyfelwyr to post his pm was irresponsible at best, and scummy at worst.
vote: Tincow
From wikiQuote:
The kanabō (金棒 ?) (metallic staff) is an iron or steel staff used in feudal Japan as a weapon. It was constructed out of heavy oak wood, and covered with some form of metal from the end to the middle, with metal studs along the metal-shod end. Later versions were made entirely out of metal, but shorter. It was this later version that many popular pictures of Japanese demons carry. It was usually a very heavy weapon.
Because of its sheer weight, only a few soldiers carried it. It was more of a mythical weapon, often used in tales by the great Japanese demons "oni" since the oni were extremely strong and could carry these mammoth weapons and so were feared by many superstitious people. Today there is a saying in Japanese that says, "Like giving a kanabō to an oni"- which means to give an extra advantage to someone already holding all the cards.
When used, the purpose of the kanabō was to smash enemies' armor and break their warhorses' legs. The art of using this cumbersome weapon, kanabō-jutsu, consisted of a mastery of both balance and strength; it required great skill to recover from a miss with the heavy club, which could leave a warrior open to a counter-attack.
Vote:TinCow beating Sanada is hardly something even a veteran Samurai can do:inquisitive:
TinCow must have a real high score.....until he says what it is, my vote stays on him....:whip:
Challenge:Sasaki don't think I trust you:driver:
Maybe our master can tell us if him beating YLC is ok or not... judging by the scores im assuming they both sent ?
Im unsure about TinCow but unsure about lynching him... lets keep his lead fairly small and wait to see if master can illuminate us at all on these matters...
vote: TinCow
The whole thing about Rhyfelwyr's role pm was suspicious, and his defense self-contradictory. I don't trust him.
If Takeda has some greater light to shed on things, I hope I can check back in time to see it.
Ajax
I can see where this is going. Hopefully YLC sent his duel score to CountArach earlier in the game. My duel score was 3, and CA can confirm that is what I claimed in my PM to him. YLC must have also had a low score in order for me to be able to defeat him. Worth noting that the write-up said I blocked his blow with "pure luck."
Have fun with the bandwagon boys.
[edit]You know what, since I'm so scummy and about to get lynched, I'll just post my own role PM. Fortunately for me, I'm a regular old samurai, so any accusations about copying Rhy's posted veteran samurai role can be safely ignored. I suspect many of you have this exact same role PM, and since this has not been posted publicly before and cannot be sent by PMs, I challenge someone to explain how I got this if it is fake.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
vote: TinCow
For getting me to post my role pm when apparently you are not supposed to do that. :no:
I believe tincow is right, as I had received an almost identical PM, of course with names changed and whatnot.
I'm undecided between TinCow and Beskar.
It's very funny that you post a townie PM now TinCow, the irony shall not go unnoticed. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
But something strikes me about the way Beskar posts and the way those brutal attacks are. No offense intended but the style of his posts seems similar to the style the attacks are carried out in. Not sure that means anything but he is very blunt in his verbal attacks against Stephen Asen for example and the killer uses a big weapon and strikes with a lot of force.
I shall sleep over this and cast my vote tomorrow.
So your defense is...contradicting yourself again? Now you've gone back to your original position that you were claiming was faulty a couple hours ago.
Also this, though you jump on the "lucky" bit:
No mention of luck in your killing blow. YLC claimed 5 I believe, and a message from andres saying he was extra good or something like that.Quote:
Both men watched each other and it was clear they started to respect their opponent. Sanada lifted his katana and jumped forwards, a blow that would have been lethal if it weren’t for Nakashima bowing through his knees and rolling forward, piercing his katana through Sanada’s belly.
Challenge: Beefy
Undecided on who to vote. TinCow getting two very common PMs out in the open is pretty damning, though.
Not an ideal situation, but it's the only bit of hard evidence I can put forward in my defense. Arguments are now obviously pointless. Just make sure you don't waste a day phase on a pure bandwagon. I still want to win, even though I will apparently not be able to help much with it.
vote: Beskar
His posting style is way too aggressive.
Vote: Beskar
Out of the two both have a decent chance of lynch. Going to keep it close unti CA gives us some revelation on the duel.
I am starting to think that Beskar might be in the 3% guilty category, but one thing tht doesn't quite fit is that Sasaki was targeted by the traitor and Husar by a ninja, and Beskar cannot be both unless those parties actually work together.
Challenge:TinCow
Lets get rid of two suspects in one round. That way we can move on.
Where's Sigurd when you need him....need to find out the chances of TC beating YLC.
Who is he?.
How is that even possible? I never heard of a mafia-game like that.
As a side-note: people love their bandwagons. I am not a mafia-role, and I don't think TinCow might be one either for reasons. Something very fishy is going on and I think people are being played by the mafia
I have little experience with Martial Arts and what TinCow did is quite practiced in the martial arts. Have in mind that samurai also knew the martial arts well, not only ninja. My vote on Beskar stays. I will take this risk.
TinCow is not a closed case, though.
Though I am actually innocent and I believe there is actually evidence showing that TinCow is actually innocent himself. Way to go with assisting the Mafia. :smash:
I also believe Rhyfelwyr to be innocent as well.
Actually if anything, me, TonCow and Rhyfelwyr, CountArach are basically the only confirmed innocents. Husar and Sasaki could be innocent, but nothing proven. The rest are unknown.
So only someone who is trying to purposely kill townies are voting, as that what they are doing.
Want to know why? Rhyfelwyr posted his role note on the forum, which was very similar to my own, I posted a modified version but I wasn;t a vet, so mine was slightly different to Rhy's. TinCow posted one identical to my own, look at my mock and his and you can see the similarities, splitpersonality also said that TinCow's which is also identical to my own, was the same as his and he was killed. Using this logic, me, TinCow and Rhyfelwyr are actually innocent.
Husar managed to defend himself from ninja, I am not sure why or how, but I am suspecting he might be a pro-town role.
CountArach well, self-explanatory.
Sasaki got defended from traitor, doesn't absolve him, but there must be something to it.
Oh, anyone posting role pm's are now void, since they could just copy&paste them.
Now, everyone who has voted should seriously rethink their votes, as if they vote for anyone just mentioned as innocent, they are purposely trying to kill townies, and I believe they should be the ones killed as possible mafia-roles, not an innocent which will let more innocent players die and mafia-role people to survive and win the game.
Oh and since the Mafia now might try to kill me, TinCow and Rhywr purposely, not going after us would actually give you a better chance for survival.
It is common practice for hosts to give the mafia the townie pm. TinCow came under fire for asking for it to be posted because townies don't know whether the mafia have it or not. But no, no ones innocence is proven by posting a pm.
Crazed Rabbits death from last night interests me. We'll see if the sword cleaning killer returns.
That sucks. In the mafia games I played, you get it on a card and you are not allowed to show your card at all. In the warcraft 3 version, there is only one mafia-role depending on the type of map, and they either have a normal unit or a townie unit, or they can "morph" into anonymous unit and you have to use things such as floor number and different variables to work it out.
However, I am still innocent. :D
Why do you attack me so much?
I think beskar has a good chance of being guilty. Usually in mafia games you are wrong the majority of the time in your suspects. Given tincow's performance in the duel--I find it unlikely that he will be killed that way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
A duel between me and TinCow should result in a close fight. His victory over YLC is explainable as a fluke. However, if he defeats me by a large margin he is likely lying about his skill rating. That is why I challenged him.
Vote: Beskar For no other reason than his blunt and agressive posting style matches the "MO" of one of the killers...
I`m am not yet convinced of Tincows guilt, if he lied about his battle rating he would not have required any luck at all to block a rash attack from a battle level 5 Samurai...
Out of the two bandwagon options, none really satisfies me. For some reason Wishazu tingles my gut. Might be that something feels a bit off in his posts.
Vote: Wishazu
Lurking has failed us today.....
I now suspect Rhyfelwyr much more.
And not only because I was suddenly targeted after challenging him, (perhaps I was considered a danger because I won a duel previously?), but because of his very weak reasoning for joining the bandwagons which he has.
He has been active in the game, but contributed nothing to the intelligent discourse, and his style reminds me very much of Beefy when he is playing as mafia.
Leave TinCow alone...
It would seem that lynches and duels have accomplished little; the ninja still attack three per night and the other faction one more. I suspect that one or more of our baddies are simply lurking away and relying on the numbers -- which works in huge games as I well know.
I am inclined, provisionally, to assume Husar and Sasaki are innocent. Husar defended himself but was hurt badly in the process. This strikes me as very much how I would narrate a "defeats first night kill effort special ability. Both appear to have been targeted by the mafia. Doesn't preclude them being in the traitor sub faction, but a strict numbers interp favors innocence.
YLC made a fairly specific claim as to his duel rating. Based on that I have questions for:
Andres: Is there any real chance of a lower score defeating a higher score duelist, or is this chance very small?
Arach: Was YLC's duel score a 5 or higher (presuming 3 is the average samurai score -- as a lack of argument with above reveals seems to indicate?
Lurkers, previously safe within their caves, begin to emerge.
Interesting.
Please, Yoyoma, a haiku for the occasion. :)
My offering:
Petals fall aground
stamen remains to feed bee
life and death proceed
That would depend upon the circumstances of your death, wouldn't it? If it is an honourable one, you are vindicated and you can still serve Lord Shingen as a Samurai Ghost. Apart from voting for lynchings, your analytical skills would still be useful - in the same way mine are not. :laugh4:
Vote:Beskar
ddddddddddddddddddddd
Why.... is the Haiku..
Eternally inclusive
Of petals or life?
Sheesh, I pop up with a tiny bit of activity and get killed off.
Well, for goodness' sake people, LYNCH TINCOW.
He's terribly inconsistent on the whole role posting thing. Especially with the claim that he couldn't have forged his.
IIRC, this is the fellow who has made some massively impressive forged PMs in past games, which would make turning a known vet samurai PM into a samurai PM easy.
CR
I can confirm that the role-pm TinCow posted looks genuine.
YLC (aka Sanada Yukimura) was undoubtedly one of Lord Takeda´s swordsmen becaused he was named after a historic person who served Takeda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Yukimura
To me, it looks like TinCow fluked a duel victory against YLC. The write up mentions that "pure luck" played a role. So TinCows defense makes some sense.
TinCow, did you receive a bonus to your battle rating after this duel? How high is it now?
Disclaimer: the following fabricates "facts" in the game as needed for artistic purposes. All in the name a of little fun (hopefully).
<cue karaoke version of Sinatra's "New York New York">
Start spreadin' the noose, for lynching today
I want to be a part of it - TinCow TinCow!
These dead geisha blues, I can't vote anyway
Got stabbed right in the heart by him - TinCow TinCow!
We won't wake up in the mornin' - couldn't sleep
Because the ninjas that kill - when we're countin' sheep.
The townies are blue, they're dying away
Today they'll find a new scapgoat - in ol' TinCow.
If we can lynch him now, with no proof anyhow
It will be you - Tin-Cow Tin-Cow!
From caves step cold men
Their old knees stiff from kneeling
With new will to live.
Vote:AggonyDuck
Vote Abstain
For now I will wait for Count Arach to comment on the dual situation before doing an actual vote.
Yes, reminds me of a certain truck incident....
Either way I always have to save myself. :no:
Well, what sort of abilities do you think any samurai would have left with a broken shoulder? :sweatdrop:
I'm also suspicious of some people who have only a few posts by now, including myself, we may be right about TinCow and Beskar being suspicious but there are some players who are alive and have only posted around 4 times here, surely we shouldn't lose them out of sight. Sigurd hasn't posted a lot more either so far and everyvbody should know that his mafia style is to lurk and stifle discussion so maybe if he was indeed guilty, his team may be hiding among the lurkers while the vocal players tear one another apart. :shrug:
Yet, I think the Mafia shall have at least one active member.
About Sasaki: Takeda-sama, I ask you to fins some spare time and to tell us what do you think/know about his innocence. Thus, further complications can be avoided.
Then there are people who was once active and basically don't post at all now, like Ichigo.
Plus the Bandwagon against me and TinCow is retarded. Makes me want to see the Mafia the win then people see who they actually were then that can shoot themselves for being the idiots they were.
I realise that I might not be able to read through it all as I am only half way into this thread, but where does it say that I need to read it all to participate?
I will say this though, TinCow's PM is IDENTICAL to the one I got down to the little faults and format errors. Taking TinCow's quoted PM and my role PM into MS Word will yield the same font, spacing and spelling/grammatical errors. They are identical down to the letter, except for our in game names.
If I am not allowed to post this Andres, feel free to edit out that which is illegal.
I am right here, but can only communicate in public. What do you want to know?
Oh there is not much to pick at, just the odd missing space after a colon and the consistent use of American English and the word suspicious which is spelt wrong in your PMs. :mellow:Quote:
Lies!
I am INFALLIBLE
Asking what is the highest known battle rating, using this as your reasoning:
What makes this strange, is that for someone who doesn't want to wait around and be murdered in your sleep, you've made awfully few challenges. None in fact. Add to that the fact that your voting reasons haven't been the most convincing and you're suspicious enough for my vote.Quote:
I don`t want to sit around waiting to be murdered in my sleep or whatever. I`ve only asked for the highest number to be posted, I didn`t ask for any names. I could be a battle rating of 5 which may sound high but what if there are people rated 15? then a 5 would be a bit pants and suggest dueling is probably not the way forward for me etc.