Seriously, Why? That's just uncalled for. Not happy.
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Several people in your MSN ring right? In matter of fact with second thought. Unvote and Vote: Beskar. Ever since i came back to mafia games some of people playing have tried to make me somekind of default lynch candidate. I will not submit to this line of thought. If this would be my last game as mafia i will not submit but rather go out fighting.To Renata.You and Secura have tried to get me lynched in any game i have played reacently.So i wont put much thought on your reasoning as it seems you have biased opinion about me to begin with. Nothing i could say would change your opinon as you can twist it around how you like it. Your line of thought is that only thing that could make me innocent is my death. Have it occurred to you that it applies to everyone in this game?
That's true, initially I would not have voted for you if not for several people with whom I've talked about the game. That's why I felt it necessary to post after you had defended to explain why I was keeping my vote on you, no one told me to do that and most likely I would have voted for you after that if I hadn't previously done so.
Split is back (of course), and suddenly TheFlax finds an email of him saying he will be inactive for 3 days or so, allegedly for a game that hasn't started yet.
Lynch Spit now. That's enough!
What? That's complete BS, Kagemusha, and you know it. I can't even remember if I voted for you in Shadow Fort, but I certainly didn't push your lynch (more fool, me), and I never asked for you to be lynched in RotS either. That is the entirety of our experience together. In this game, I commented early on, in appreciation of your Saharan News efforts, that anyone who voted you before day six would lose at life.
Whatever. I hope you're mafia, because this sucks.
Back in a few hours.
Kagemusha is a superior player and he's also withstood my accusations before, in games like Mafia IX. His overreaction here is totally OOC. It's overblown and he's taking things way too personal.
@Kage-
I honestly hope you are mafia because you're pulling a freak out the likes of which I haven't seen since, oh, White_Eyes. And he's gotten better...
You do remember GH´s mafia?But i apologise i was out of line. Because the grazy hours and shift changes in work. I have become quite grumpy lately and i think my comment was uncalled for.Same goes with the comment about Secura Maybe its just better for me to take my leave from any hectic game activity once this one is over, atleast untill my real life stress eases up a bit. I apologise for acting like a jerk.
Okay then. I am glad I amuse you.
Never asked you to... just asked you to stop acting like I am... insulting your mother, or something, when all I've done is play the game and do my job which is accuse suspects. How have I wronged you, man? This is a mafia game, you should really be able to deal with this. It's part of the game. I'm not personally attacking you, so please, get over it. Defend yourself without inventing straw man arguments and pretending like you're personally insulted. You can do that, I know you can.Quote:
To put it short. I am not guilty and no i dont think your idea that i should lay down and die, just because you want me to do so is a good one.
See, Kagemusha, you know this is total garbage. I never said either that you had to agree with me, or that my case was based in logic or evidence. You know what my case on you is based on?Quote:
Your entire case against me is just a huge wifom and trying to defend your case with argument that i should agree with your logic, just because it happends to be your logic, is not logic to me at all.
Three things:
1. You're one of the remaining suspects. By that fact alone I have the right to accuse you all day long. So already, you've no right to be offended.
2. Your reactions are totally off-the-wall and make zero sense. You act like you've got something to hide or something big to lose if you die. And that's because you are freaking out over standard mafia procedure, which is when someone accuses you based on nothing... then you flip out?
3. You're playing the humor/emotion/pity/WIFOM game. You made funny posts, which historically have the positive effect of making people want to leave you alive because they like your humor. It's the whole reason I let up on you for a while. Secondly, you're reacting emotionally, which tugs at the heartstrings. I loves ya, Kagemusha, but I still gots to accuse you. You're acting like I'm some grand inquisitor and I'm ruining the entire game by being way off base about you, and trying to act sympathetic. Notice how you're focusing only on me when you're defending yourself, even though you show up on the list of a half-dozen other player's suspects? Are they all my mind-puppets, Kagemusha, or is it an independent phenomenon that you might be scummy to them? Then voting yourself, which is not exactly classic Kagemusha. What in heck was that all about, only to retract it later?
And all that amounts to jack squat whether you're guilty or not. It doesn't mean you are. No one is psychic enough to know when you're guilty. But when you're twisting my words around and playing the wounded puppy game, and reacting completely out of character for yourself, it raises eyebrows.
No, Kage... I haven't seen your best mafia-catching efforts this game, imo. You were a predator in Mafia IX, but here... you're like a mouse unless someone accuses you personally.Quote:
From experience you should know that keeping me alive to the end of the part of the game has payed off handsomly for the town quite the few times and if it is up to me. I will do my best to do so. It isnt the first time dead players have been howling for my death and i have been able to stay alive, with sometimes saving the entire town in the process.
Hah. Define scummy, then get back to me. I've already pointed out where your behavior matches classic forms of lynch avoidance, and how it doesn't match a reasonable reaction to normal mafia accusations. Next, you do realize that a player of your caliber could get through a whole game without doing anything classically "scummy", and that still doesn't prove your innocence, right? Acting scummy and being scum aren't even necessarily the same thing.Quote:
So lets just drop the fight with words and take a look at my behaviour through out the game and point to me something honestly that says scummy.
More WIFOM bogusness. This isn't necessary. There's no way I should be able to convince YOU you're scummy, so just drop the "it's a fair cop, I fall on my sword for thee" act, because that's all it is; another pointless act.Quote:
If you can provide something, maybe i will take on your offer and vote myself to death just to please you.
No, and no one could ever come to that conclusion. :dizzy2: It's ridiculous that you'd suggest there is a pattern of behavior you'd never do as mafia, given your experience and iron will.Quote:
Hopefully by looking at the game objectively, you can come to an conclusion that indeed i wouldnt play my game like this if i were mafia.
Currently all YOU're doing is inventing a fiction about me and what precisely I'm arguing. You've straw-manned, red-herring'ed, and WIFOM'ed more times than I care to count. You're acting ridiculous.Quote:
Currently all you are doing is repeating yourself
Would there be any sense using WIFOM in a mafia game.... the answer is always yes. If one is mafia, then that is a fact of life for them. Everything they do is WIFOM; would I do this as mafia? Would I do that as mafia?Quote:
with your idea that i could be capable doing a wifom which you are accusing of me. While you should focus on the fact, would there be any sense doing so.
Why the focus on the WIFOM aspect? It's absurd. The case on you is: Someone may have picked you to be scum! And out of the maybe 9 suspects I have remaining, you're one of the ones I favor most. Big whopping deal.
Your reaction is what's really sealing the deal for me. I hate how you're twisting my words.
Ah, Mafia IX. Forgot that one. Ok, I was riding Kage's butt for most of that game.
I guess you are right to have your opinion and you can drive for enyones lynch.I guess my grumpyness is getting the best of me.Like you said yourself my behaviour is not my normal me guilty or not.Im now off to hit another 10 hour shift untill 6 am tomorrow morning. Have a nice evening everybody.
I remember a game in the early days where I killed my two accusers and went "zomg teh mafia framed me."
It is basic WIFOM and no one is convinced Kagemusha, especially as you re-emerged.
I get the feeling that he just doesn't like women... I wouldn't pay too much attention to anything he has to say, to be honest.
What does this mean? :<
Which is precisely what I said after myself and YLC were killed... we both voted for Kagemusha during the day, died during the night; you could dress this up as a set-up, but from my observations I've noticed that Kagemusha plays very ballsy, risk-taking moves such as this (look at Shadow Fort and all the attention he garnered in the first two rounds), where we're looking at a piece of WIFOM that is so blantant and transparant... and yet it worked, because for the most part the town had entirely ignored Kage until now, when he's been a suspect of both myself and YLC since the third day phase.
TheFlax wants me to confirm that I got the message regarding Split, as the other hosts did. Yes, I did. And TheFlax was in the CC.
Okay my fellow Daggers, it looks like Kagemusha has the most votes for today's lynch. Andres lynch write up sent (with some Pizza seasoning on it- to make it better). Thanks
My three suspects are: Renata, Beskar, and Kagemusha.
Renata just because she seems off. Plus, every now and then she'll IM me about the game, but just enough to bring it up, yet not enough to pull me back in. It's similar to what I did to Niklas in a game where I was mafia, where I tried to get him to become active.
Beskar because he's typically always out front trying to lead the pack. Granted, that's typically in games that have more roles, but I still find his behavior odd in this game.
Kagemusha simply due to all the back and forth with ATPG, in which he brings up some interesting observations.
I'm also curious about split's PM. If that many people received it, then how come we've wasted so much time on him? Why didn't one of them speak up about the PM?
Vote: Kagemusha
TheFlax is probably scum.
To be fair, this behaviour always leads to Beskar being lynched early-on, and I know from speaking to him that it really, really annoys him; mafia is no fun when you're lynched/killled repeatedly in the early stages of games (I can attest to that too), so it's little wonder why he's changed his playstyle.
Just sayin'.
The debate reached a fevered pitch as two of the daggers were singled out as being especially suspicious. However, one of them was haunted by the ghost of a pizza man, and was tormented relentlessly by this apparition before the final decision was made.
"But, I'm not a vampire!" Kagemusha exclaimed. "I've never been a vampire... except for that one time! But that was just a role in a game!"
The Naib, dressed in a flowing black cloak, looked up at Kagemusha with sympathetic eyes, but underneath those sympathies was a desire for justice and a firm resolve.
"Please step forward, my friend." she said.
"I'm really busy, I have things I have to go do...." said the dagger.
"I'm afraid I must insist. It is time." she said.
“I have a job! I work long hours! I need to make a living! I don’t have time for this nonsense!”
“Please,” the Naib said softly.
"You're all out to get me! And that pizza guy... he's controlling your minds from beyond the grave! He’s dead and he’s still talking! And then you say I’m a supernatural being? It's a conspiracy! It's nothing more than a plot to destroy the innocent! I say there's foul business afoot. Our Naib pals around with dead people, and I'm the one who is accused of being a vampire... it's insanity, I tells ye. Don't you see? Don't you see the violence inherent in the system? Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!"
Kagemusha went towards the crowd of people to plead his case, but they wouldn't listen. Then, he saw in his mind the image of his foul accuser, and he became enraged.
"You! You think just because you're dead, that means you can't be a vampire? You of all people should know better... so I can only conclude you're hiding something. I'll kill you until you're... even deader!"
Kagemusha unsheathed a long, curved blade, and charged toward the invisible man, slicing through the air, hacking his imaginary foe to pieces. But still, the voices wouldn't leave his mind.
"Why must you torment me so, after all we've been through together? I curse thee! I curse thee and everyone who looks like thee!" said Kage, who spat upon the ground.
The daggers looked confused at the madman who was yelling against the air and the walls of the Generalife.
"Are you ready for your judgment now?" asked the Naib, warily.
Suddenly Kagemusha brightened up and turned toward the Naib with a pleasant grin on his face. "Why, yes, my good lady. I wouldn't have elected you as Naib if I wasn't ready to die by your hand. It would be an honor to die for you."
Diana Abnoba gripped her blade, and waited.
"Come here, glorious leader, and strike me down for the so-called crimes I have committed." he said, advancing toward the Naib.
Diana's face betrayed no emotion, and Kagemusha continued walking in her direction.
"Or should I come running to you when you call? Come willingly to my own death? It would be my pleasure, my lady."
Diana waited.
"But one thing I will not do, is die without a fight, my lady. First, you must defeat me in glorious comba-"
Beskars’ head fell to the ground, with his body crumpling a split second later. Diana calmly walked past the body of the fallen, and retrieved her blade from the hot sand several paces behind him. Then she took out a silver dagger and placed it swiftly into Beskars’ heart.
The other daggers murmured anxiously at the suddenness of the event.
Diana retrieved her knife and then she froze. She stared at Beskars’ body. She turned pale and looked up.
“How? What?”
The daggers looked at their Naib. Some stepped forward.
“That’s impossible!” one exclaimed.
“I swear that I saw Kagemusha attacking the Naib!” another one said.
The brothers and sisters looked around and found Kagemusha, who was standing at the opposite side of the courtyard, alive and kicking. He looked surprised, then relieved.
“I guess it just wasn’t my time yet,” he said, and he shrugged, a slightly amused expression on his face in an attempt to hide that he was facing death no more than a few minutes ago.
It took a while before the Naib calmed down and was able to speak again.
"There's nothing more to see here. Go back to your rooms and remember to lock them this time. Anyone who fails to do so will have to deal with me. Have a safe and pleasant sleep." said Diana, who motioned for them all to leave.
They dispersed quickly, throwing uncomfortable looks at the man who had just cheated death.
The Naib stared at Kagemusha’s back.
What the :daisy: just happened?
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Tally:
KagemushaBeskar: 6 (Scienter, Methos, TinCow, TheFlax, Beskar, Renata)
Methos: 3 (Kukrikhan, Diamondeye, pevergreen)
Beskar: 3 (Choxorn, Kagemusha, Beefy187)
TheFlax: 1 (splitpersonality)
splitpersonality: 1 (The Stranger)
Not voting: 3 (Diana (Naib), Jolt, Double A)
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Alive (16)
1. TheFlax
2. Renata
3. Diana Abnoba
4. Double A
5. TinCow
6. The Stranger
7. Methos
8. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
9. Jolt
10. Choxorn
11. Kukrikhan
12. Beefy187
13. Kagemusha
14. pevergreen
15. DiamondEye
16. Scienter
Killed (15)
autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades
Niklas
Lynched (8)
Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic
atheotes
Beskar
WoG (1)
AVSM
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It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 23 hours.
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Kagemusha is the ancient evil.
Told you so.
edit: Secura got first dibs, then YLC, and those others who suspected him as well. Those who voted me are Mafia.
Hahaha, YLC and I were right. xD
Told you all, and I gave very specific reasoning as to why. Instead the town ignores me and Secura...
That is an odd mechanic...to give the ancient vampire a lynch switching ability doesn't make much sense, because he would just be lynched the next day, unless the only way he can be killed is with the vig shot.
But, kage should be vigged tonight.
Hahaha, what he said.
We think Kagemusha is the ancient evil or the "special role".
In any case, we wish to use a vig kill tonight. EVERYONE: send Diana your suggestion for who to kill, and most especially your REASONS why they need to be killed.
I have already offered my opinion. I believe an attack on Kagemusha will fail at night as well. But I want to save that other vig kill for him just in case.
In the meantime, I'm looking for henchmen, and I think we have it narrowed down. But it would be nice if this was a team effort, so Diana doesn't just pick who Beskar and I think it is. Show us the path you would choose.
I'm disappointed only a few of you responded to my "top 3 suspects" call. That does not make me a happy pizza.
what does this mean? we need to get rid of the grunts before the ancient one?
i think we took a huge step in the game.
there are many people here who have voiced that Kage is suspect and some have voted for him as well...so it is good.
The Ancient one is supposed to be the equivalent of the godfather, where do you guys see that he can't be killed until his minions are?
If Kagemusha were some "special role" which was aligned with the town, he wouldn't have argued so hard against being lynched, but he would have stated that he would have been able to survive it. Everything we saw this round from Kagemusha seems to be guilt stink. Townie-roles wouldn't really have a reason to lie if the lynch was about to happen anyway.
It seems to me he had something to hide, which was the fact that he can only be either mafia or a special role. I'd suspect if he were a basic slave henchman he'd be dead quite easily. So that leaves the special "ancient one" godfather role, or the special "unknown" role.
Perhaps the unknown role is aligned with the mafia, like a mastermind or a town traitor, and can't be lynched until the mafia is dead. Who knows.
What I do believe is that whatever just happened regarding Kagemusha indicates that he's not town-aligned. I'd like to make sure he's dead before the end of the game, so I'd ask to keep handy 1 vigilante power. Until then, he seems lynch immune and it may be because we need to remove the henchmen first.
And of course, if he's not the godfather, then we need to be looking elsewhere for that one anyway. So in all cases, our hunt begins on suspects other than Kagemusha, and IMO Kage cannot survive the game.
Wow! Okay we found the Ancient One. He can't be lynched until all the henchmen are dead, it seems. But can he be Vig killed? Or do we need to Vig kill the other henchmen. I need a consensus please. Should I sent orders to use 1 of our Vig kills tonight, and on who?
1. Kagemusha- do you think that Ancient One can be Vig killed?
2. A Henchmen- give me your list of who you guys think this is. looking at the voting pattern today I think it could be; Beefy (the only person that sticks out that voted Beskar today) OR did they know that Kagemusha could switch the person that gets lynched. (in that case we need to look at the votes on Kagemusha) the ones that stand out to me are; Methos and Tin Cow.
Or don't send in Vig kills orders, just protection again.
I need everyone's input (except the mafia please :laugh4: ) before I sent in orders for tonight. Thanks. :bow:
If Kagemusha were a town-aligned special role, he would have claimed. We do, after all, have an un-killable doctor ability in the Naib. Kagemusha is clearly bad news, and almost certainly the mafia Godfather.
So, the question now... who would Kage have picked as henchmen?
I like Beefy187 as a vig kill. Sorry Beefy, I don't know what you've been smoking this game. You're acting like you don't know what the game setup is.
But Methos also tickles my funny bone.
And I'm very sorry, but Kukrikhan would make another excellent choice. He can easily survive a long time by simply doing nothing scummy... and then occasionally act like he has no idea what's going on.
I had Tincow on my list but now I am not sure. He's certainly capable of being this smooth.
It's not at all clear that this was an ability of Kage's. It could be that the ancient vampire has the power to mess with lynches. For all we know atheotes is innocent and they were framing him, and kage was innocent (actually more likely a henchman) and the ancient one prevented his lynch.
The OP says that the ancient function like the godfather, but may have powers. So it is likely that the kage is not the ancient, but was saved by the ancient, going off of the OP.
At LEAST one of the vig kills should be held on to for quite a while.
I'd wager that he would pick at least one low-profile player; either someone who's a notorious lurker/quiet player or someone new/returning to mafia. They'd be overlooked by the town for the most part either due to a belief that they're riding the WOG Wagon or because they're newbies and unlikely to be seen as scum.
The second player would be someone high-profile both for their analytical and insightful playing style and for the fact that they're usually lynchbait. I think it would be someone that the Ancient could ensure would survive until the end-game, whereby the slave's identity may be uncovered but the town would be in too fragile a position by that point to effectively lynch both the slave and the master.
That's my two cents on it.
In case the Naib is thinking of vig killing me tonight, I urge you to take a look at my posts about Kagemusha during the last night phase, before today's bandwagon began, and consider that I was the first person to lodge a vote on him today. The mafia did not gain anything by having Kage IDed as the godfather here. In order for me to be scum, I'd have to be a total idiot to lead off the case against him like that. I hope your opinion of me is higher than that.
I don't think that a vig kill on Kagemusha is necessarily a good idea since we've only got 2. We don't know what the Ancient's powers are. Can he save only his henchmen, or can he do that to anyone? If, for a second, we assume Kagemusha is not the Ancient and that the Ancient saved him, it could mean that he's a henchman or that the Ancient wants us to believe that Kagemusha is a henchman to throw us off of his real helpers. We're all very focused on Kagemusha right now.
@Tincow-
That's still WIFOM... and I wouldn't put it past you. If the only way we could bring down Kagemusha was to have you dead first, then establishing your innocence by revealing kage and being first to the party should keep you alive. It remains to be seen if you ever get attacked by the mafia.
But I wouldn't worry so much; you're not the top suspect in several people's minds... mine and more importantly, the living players.
My Naib office is a democracy. That is why I'm asking for everyone's input. It will not be my choice alone, that decides this. So, no need to worry so much Tin Cow (well unless you are the top choice of all the daggers). :evilgrin: :laugh4:
With that kind of post, you've pretty much guaranteed I'll survive until the end. :laugh4:
In any case, I recommend a look at The Stranger. On review of today's posting, his posts stand out the most to me. He never voted for Kage and he pushed for an 'easy' split bandwagon right as Kage was under a lot of pressure. He also goes after Renata for attacking Kage. He's also schizophrenic with his accusations. Here he claims his top suspects are me, pever, and Beskar. Today he adds Renata to the list, but then 7 minutes later he urges a vig kill on Kage and Renata? Kage? TS had never mentioned he had any suspicion of Kage before... even though he listed his suspect two posts before that. How did his bloodlust for Kage appear in the space of 7 minutes? That looks to me like an effort to divert the vote on Kage by starting an effort to have him attacked at night instead, something which is likely to fail against a godfather with living henchmen... and likely to burn a town vig in the process. Also remember TS's obvious excitement for the game at the start, as evidenced by his ridiculous posting style.
now it is getting funny... got any more tincow?
i think, since now we prolly have the ancient one... it is too soon to vigkill. if we can narrow down the scope of targets, the vigkill will be more effective. on the other hand, a lucky shot might really turn this game into the towns favor for definite terms.
i dont know who kage would chose as a mafia, and since my previous accusations were largely aimed at beskar, but since we prolly got 2 mafia already, it might be that beskar isnt guilty after all.
pevergreen and tincow remain my 2 topcats. but i rather see them lynched than vigkilled. i think split is a good target for the lynch since he cleverly keeps avoiding wog whilst lurking in the dark.
The Stranger wouldn't attempt to make any cunning moves, you are giving him too much credit, TinCow.
wth... beskar is dead. why?
so methos and beskar were tied for 2nd. why did beskar die and not methos? maybe methos is kage's buddy?
He has a point. Add on top of that you've been a royal pain in the neck :laugh4:, and you're skating on thin ice with me. There's no rhyme or reason in your movements and you're hyperactive. Not to mention dead wrong on everything and everyone so far.
I also thought you were a bit more productive and less... wacko... when you played Capo di Tutti Capi III. There you weren't anti-social, you were trying to organize an effort some didn't agree with, but what might have proved useful in the long run.
I can't make heads or tails of what your agenda is so far this game. One might even wonder if you aren't the special role yourself. Maybe not mafia, but it explains your overabundant enthusiasm.
actually... im bored to hell.
i dont see why he has a point. why would i cover for kage. it was quite obvious he would die anyway. and then if i was mafia, i would know that he wouldnt die when lynched.. why would i give myself away like that. it wouldve been better to have voted for him. i think there we should look for his henchmen.
Kagemusha should start talking.
I was getting scum vibes from you. And if I went on and voted for someone else, I would be lying to my self.
If I was a scum I wouldn't do something which would stand up this early.
I wanted you lynched from 3 rounds ago.
It does seem out of character for beefy to be so aggressive, and against Beskar too, who usually struggles to get supporters behind anything he does.
It's out of character and also has no positive benefit. I don't see the motive for it. Maybe it's just a bad move... but who knows. :shrug:
I dunno. I also like Kukrikhan and Methos for suspects.
As a matter of fact I actually send a message to every host on every site I play mafia on, who is on this site, and any hosts of upcoming games that I could remember.
I'm not asking you to believe the flax, I'm asking you to believe me.
I'm sorry? It's not like I left this time without having a decent reason, which was given to the host, and several other hosts. It's not my fault/problem that they didn't choose to inform the general public.
I think this it is not the case that the special role is mafia-aligned. I was discussing this with Diamondeye the other day. Put together the opening post with the description of the storm from a few updates back and it looks like the special role is very probably the vampire Nikolaos, and that he and the Ancient Vampire are not allies. Whether Nikolaos is town friendly or not, though, or even whether anything like what you propose here might be going on, remains to be seen.Quote:
Perhaps the unknown role is aligned with the mafia, like a mastermind or a town traitor, and can't be lynched until the mafia is dead. Who knows.
Nobody listen to me, I feel like the town fool. Or rather, the ghost of...
TheFlax is the enemy. I smell his lust for blood from the Underworld.
Oh it seems im alive after all. How strange. Well atleast the town did my bidding and lynched Beskar.Good job town!
I can expect less protestations of innocence from you now, I hope. :bounce:
That's a relief.
I have counted all the votes, reread the thread, and read my PMs regarding tonight's actions. Thanks to all that participated. Orders have been sent to Andres. :bow:
actually seems kinda half-hearted to me. It's patently obvious Beskar was innocent, and that his lynch wasn't town's doing. So he's just openly admitting it rather than putting on a good show.
Makes me sad. Now I can't joust with him anymore. :cry:
Dont worry ATPG as there are lot of things to do even post mortem. Maybe you would like to join our contest: Who´s next? As you must remember we have great prizes for the ones who can predict the next lynch or the next suicides/ accidents that happen. As the night is approaching you should now guess who might die next!:yes:
@ Kage
:tongue3: :brood: Your day will come SOON :chucks:
a known townie before your death - i must have missed it. It is now likely that you are a townie because i dont give much credence to the possibility of having a game mechanic where a henchman gets killed in the ancient one's place any time the Ancient one is the lynch candidate because that would mean easy elimination of mafia.
Anyways, someone brought up the qn as to why you were lynched though u were tied for second place with Methos. It brings up the possibility that Methos could be one of the grunts and Kage's vote for you perhaps got you lynched.
Are we willing to risk the death of another townie to find out if Kage is really unlynchable?