Futuramafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by BSmith

And I'm the most. :clown:

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Sorry, got you beat there, babe.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

More powerful than either of us.

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Than either you or… or whom? Backwards Logic? Catharsis?

On that day, he learned there was a member of this forum with the username "everyone"...

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

@everyone in thread what do you make of this post

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That you should lynch Stork.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Sorry, got you beat there, babe.

Than either you or… or whom? Backwards Logic? Catharsis?

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More powerful than either Pizza or you, El Barto. Of course.

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Originally Posted by Stork

elbarto (confirmed v)/spaceman (confirmed v)/Crimson (likely v)/bsmith (unknown)

if they are all villagers people played pretty poorly overall day 1, could happen but seems less likely than one of them being a wolf

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Originally Posted by Stork

wolves probably not killing el barto because its pro-village

don't know why people assume that

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or these

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

More powerful than either Pizza or you, El Barto. Of course.

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Yeah, right, meatbag. I'm a robot. A BENDING UNIT with a stylish goatee. You don't outdo me. I outdo you.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

@everyone in thread what do you make of this post

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Conclusion seems a bit artificial.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Conclusion seems a bit artificial.

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what do you think of it given they're all town

assuming dp isn't GOATing this

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

what do you think of it given they're all town

assuming dp isn't GOATing this

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wrong person

Crimson

assuming crimson isn't scum

It could just be that simple.

If he's town, then what does your picture look like?

CrimsonFox could prove his townieness by killing Riedquat and/or Stork and exposing them as mafia.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

But seeing you play this way as your second game ever gives me great hope for the future generation of mafia players.

I remember a young Visorslash when he was about yea high in post count, and I sensed that he would become mightier than myself.

Should thou be scum this game, I shall nickname thee Visorslash 2: Visor slashier.

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While I'm not mafia this game, I was in my first, and managed to both win and survive mostly due to luck. Some people keep insisting that I knew what I was doing, but I don't know where they got that idea.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

CrimsonFox could prove his townieness by killing Riedquat and/or Stork and exposing them as mafia.

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I wouldn't mind a hero shot directed at someone the wolves aren't expecting dead very shortly, actually.

Assume we can get any wolf contained within that group of 2. Potential partners are who, and why?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

@everyone in thread what do you make of this post

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I think it seems like a really unlucky mafia, as the odds that everyone on that list would be revealed town or convince the entire town that they are town this early really makes it backfire on them rather than triggering a string of paranoia-fuelled mislynches.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I wouldn't mind a hero shot directed at someone the wolves aren't expecting dead very shortly, actually.

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Stork has hardly gotten votes so he isn't receiving any pressure.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Assume we can get any wolf contained within that group of 2. Potential partners are who, and why?

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novice, GH, and your own ass's self, based on how you joined the bandwaggon.

Told you bsmith was town

I am missing the ability to call up vote history. Since it's 1am my time, can anyone else collect the vote changes thus far?

This is something you can do even if you think your ability to read scums sucks total ass and it would help me immensely.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

While I'm not mafia this game, I was in my first, and managed to both win and survive mostly due to luck. Some people keep insisting that I knew what I was doing, but I don't know where they got that idea.

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I'm pretty sure I was playing for at least a year and a half before I survived.

Admittedly survival is a decent part luck, but still :D

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Stork has hardly gotten votes so he isn't receiving any pressure.

novice, GH, and your own ass's self, based on how you joined the bandwaggon.

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Not sure you're on the right track with one of these names.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Not sure you're on the right track with one of these names.

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Right, we should give novice a pass because it's his first time playing here.

Do you want all the vote changes or just the ones around the lynchtime?

Go to post #1200, pizzaboy, and start reading from around then. It's Zack's last tally before the day ended.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Go to post #1200, pizzaboy, and start reading from around then. It's Zack's last tally before the day ended.

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I wasn't asking for a tally.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Do you want all the vote changes or just the ones around the lynchtime?

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Any from start of game onward.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I wasn't asking for a tally.

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Read around the tally, meatbag. You'll find someone suddenly changing his vote onto BSmith and making sure he was lynched, mere minutes before the phase ended.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Read around the tally, meatbag. You'll find someone suddenly changing his vote onto BSmith and making sure he was lynched, mere minutes before the phase ended.

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Ignore mode is coming if you no comprende the english language.

I was pointing out why I don't like your sudden appearance on the BSmithwaggon, meatbag.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Any from start of game onward.

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Ok, I will have a laptop in front of me soon, and then I will indulge you.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I was pointing out why I don't like your sudden appearance on the BSmithwaggon, meatbag.

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This information has no relevance to me and was given in response to my query about the vote history, to say nothing of its lack of actual merit.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Ok, I will have a laptop in front of me soon, and then I will indulge you.

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This is misinterpretable on so many levels. Do you have a kidnappster subscription?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

This information has no relevance to me and was given in response to my query about the vote history, to say nothing of its lack of actual merit.

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You asked me to drop one from my list of three, you disagreed on one but did not specify which, i am stating my reasons. So it is relevant, meatbag.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

This is misinterpretable on so many levels. Do you have a kidnappster subscription?

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After looking that up, I'm really worried about what you might be insinuating.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

This is misinterpretable on so many levels. Do you have a kidnappster subscription?

You asked me to drop one from my list of three, you disagreed on one but did not specify which, i am stating my reasons. So it is relevant, meatbag.

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You should also try to convince me that I'm the queen of England. You'll have equal success.

I have some flat earth pamphlets to hand out to Stephen Hawking, and a birther email to send to Barack Obama. brb

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Originally Posted by Dp101

After looking that up, I'm really worried about what you might be insinuating.

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Heh, heh-hehheh-hehheh-heh.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You should also try to convince me that I'm the queen of England. You'll have equal success.

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Why did you vote for the leader and effectively end the day phase there and then? Why did you think Amy was scum?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Don't remember ever seeing this level of investment from Monty. I did miss some games on the site in recent years, so if I am someone has to fill in the details.

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Network games.

And my post count is usually in the top-5 for any given game. We don't post as much in absolute terms here, remember.

Pizza's doing a lot of preening here. I guess he's feeling comfortable. Don't get comfortable with Pizza if you aren't Pizza.


Maybe Crimson and DP have the Town pedestal at the moment, but I'd rather see discussion with Visor.

Is there some kind of maximum number of posts you can select to quote? When I try to add all the ones with votes in them, it eventually pushes me to the post page.

Yes, there is. I think after the eighth post you get redirected to the post page.

I cut and paste the various quotes into Word and write my post there. Then when I am done I'll cut and paste all of my post at once in the thread.

The Futuramian Chronicles, Vol. I: The first two phases, by BSmith. Totally uncool title.

No, wait, it's totally cool. Yay!?

The First Two Phases: How to tell the truth and still get lynched!

The First Two Phases: Speak your mind and be Rewarded with Death!

Day One: roleplay like a champ.
Night One: be killed by some chump.

Whoa, more bitter than the tea I mixed with your ashes! :clown:

Never forget how I fought for you to the bitter end.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I, uh, didn't, but at least I vaguely mentioned earlier on that the case against you was a bad idea.

This is the stuff heroes are made of.

Anyway, after shenanigans like that I'm going to have to steer the lynch more forcefully than I have.

Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!! Misquoted, and misposted cos I'm dumb, but there is a lot yet to read so lets start.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fair enough DP.

Does anyone have any objections to Novice/choxorn/Riedquat wagons?

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Yes, darn you! I object! Me not scum!

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

stork instead of ried

i think the ried reasoning is on the weak side

what's the case for chox?

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I do agree! Well at least in part!

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Originally Posted by Visor

These are his two posts.

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

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Well, feel free to think I'm annoying too, I don't have a problem with that!

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

fair enough at least those are answers.



Yes. I cannot shoot all the time.



This....no this doesn't make sense. If i wanna draw someone out it's the cop or bodyguard or somethin.




But my AHHHHHHHH was in fact about you being on the money here. I'm not a straight vig.

I am a Limited vig. I will be told when I can make a vig. I figured it would be that I could shoot people that were voting for me, but that isn't it. It isn't an even/odd night thing. Or at least I don't know that. It could be that but I"m guessing it is more eventbased.
Like... "when the situation is THIS, I can shoot at THESE PARTICULAR people". I'm hoping I can shoot tonight.

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No, really? I don't believe your crap! I believe part of your claim, not the BIG LIE one! THESE PARTICULAR people LIES!!!!!!

Belated vote: CrimsonFox

Go ahead and say who can you kill, lie to everybody again saying you didn't killed El Barto!

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Though to be honest, Crimson, that sounds more like a potential Serial Killer.

If someone could find parallels in one of the wikis, that would be good.

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I can tell you this, he is able to kill but only a class of player roles, if not obvious yet, only robots!

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i was being coy obviously because i want to keep the wolves guessing and not play all my cards before getting actual reactions to things.
I got some but not a lot. But there's still enough people jupming on my wagon for weirdness.

oh yeah I want to revisit bsmith. I've extremely disliked a lot of his possts...

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Yeah, go ahead and keep lynching and killing townies, we both know you can't kill scum... can you?

Yes, I know, easy to say in retrospective! Scummy me....! :(


Later, meatbags! And damn you Barto!

....oooookay theeeeen

That is the oddest post I have ever seen.

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I can tell you this, he is able to kill but only a class of player roles, if not obvious yet, only robots!

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Assuming that's true or you privately discovered it somehow, what does it have to do with alignment? Are you saying he's a serial killer targeting robots? Or that all robots are town-aligned?

I want to say this makes Riedquat town, but I've actually never seen such an incoherent post from him.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

That is the oddest post I have ever seen.

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trust me, you'll see worse someday

this is only your second game of mafia

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Assuming that's true or you privately discovered it somehow, what does it have to do with alignment? Are you saying he's a serial killer targeting robots? Or that all robots are town-aligned?

I want to say this makes Riedquat town, but I've actually never seen such an incoherent post from him.

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no, i remember something like this in the show

i think?

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Originally Posted by Visor

no, i remember something like this in the show

i think?

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We could all state if we are robots just to check.

There is a robot mafia in the series. Am I the only one who's actually watched Futurama around here?

Maybe. Again, sorry, I wish I was RPing more or something, sometimes I think I'm sucking the fun out of this game.

Tentatively, if Crimson is a robot killer, then he randomly selected a target and if Barto proved not to have been a robot, it would have failed or Crimson would have gone insane/lost his power - or alternatively, it's the more traditional process of scanning the target for eligibility. But with the first option, why choose Barto either as a solo killer or as part of a larger anti-town team? And of course with the second option, it's useless speculation given that it excludes Crimson as the killer of Barto.

Riedquat, please come back and make more sense.

I've looked at wiki stuff and found killer robots (robots who kill), but nothing on robot killers (killers of robots).

I'm really sorry, but I don't think I will be able to make the list of votes since the start of the game that pizza wanted, there are simply too many posts.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

That is the oddest post I have ever seen.

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That isn't my oddest post ever, far from it! :P

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Assuming that's true or you privately discovered it somehow, what does it have to do with alignment? Are you saying he's a serial killer targeting robots? Or that all robots are town-aligned?

I want to say this makes Riedquat town, but I've actually never seen such an incoherent post from him.

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Somehow and he said it, I won't say more for the moment, but with what he said and what I know...1+1=2

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SK/3rd party/4th party/scum/neutral... one or all of these.
Don't know if all robots are town aligned, for my role description I tend to believe so, but I'm not sure about it.

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Originally Posted by Visor

no, i remember something like this in the show

i think?

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Misquoted you here... I thought you were saying something different... I need some sleep :/

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Originally Posted by Dp101

We could all state if we are robots just to check.

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Are you kidding me? You want every robot to draw a target in their back? Why?? I'm telling you there are people who want to kill them.. O.o

Sorry folks, I need to sleep and I'm still stuck at page 12 I think, so tomorrow will continue with the reading

Is it a town tell on ATPG that he didn't know Spaceman was dead?

There is no such thing as an ATPG town tell.

There's one very reliable ATPG town tell, Just lynch him and if Zack tells us he's town, he's town.

Any other wonderful insights, FC?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

if i were a serial killer i would have actually...ya know,. killed last night

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Understandable. You claimed Vigilante, and logic dictates, partly in your own reasoning, you would have actually vigged someone last night, but you claim you didn't. So I believe you about the triggers, I've my own. You know how it is, it is in your role description after all, you carry certain action on player x and perhaps there your ability unlocks. So what was your action against who exactly?

I tell you first! I scanned you last night... did my secondary ability triggered? I won't tell yet, can tell you I'm not vigilante, I'm not able to kill and won't be able to kill no matter what...

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And for the rest of the 4 pages I had to read, I didn't learned a single thing, only the oddly wagon against BSmith, again as odd the Spaceman's one.

Dp101 you made me laugh with googling every two terms used in this thread! I feel the pain too, plain english is hard enough for me, so every time I find a term I don't know I tend to ignore the entire post, if not I would be still trying to decipher page two... :)

ISos, I don't have them, have cues and bins, it is the same?

Pizza, do you remember a single game you read me as town, I don't... You got me two times max as scum, the rest of games as townie. Also call me kumquat, the Reid thing annoys me a lot, don't know why honestly...

:pop2:

I'm guessing Reid is town and then Crimson is 3p?

If Quat tells the truth, Crimson's role would ~never be town?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Maybe. Again, sorry, I wish I was RPing more or something, sometimes I think I'm sucking the fun out of this game.

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The punishment for not watching Futurama is to watch Futurama.

If quat is telling the truth, I don't see how crimson's role defines his alignment. In fact, it seems they both have very similar roles. The timing of this claim I dislike however, given it comes when it feels like town has just about swung to calling Crimson town.

No roles define alignment, get that in your head. You'd better have your brain replaced by a microchip.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

Understandable. You claimed Vigilante, and logic dictates, partly in your own reasoning, you would have actually vigged someone last night, but you claim you didn't. So I believe you about the triggers, I've my own. You know how it is, it is in your role description after all, you carry certain action on player x and perhaps there your ability unlocks. So what was your action against who exactly?

I tell you first! I scanned you last night... did my secondary ability triggered? I won't tell yet, can tell you I'm not vigilante, I'm not able to kill and won't be able to kill no matter what...

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And for the rest of the 4 pages I had to read, I didn't learned a single thing, only the oddly wagon against BSmith, again as odd the Spaceman's one.

Dp101 you made me laugh with googling every two terms used in this thread! I feel the pain too, plain english is hard enough for me, so every time I find a term I don't know I tend to ignore the entire post, if not I would be still trying to decipher page two... :)

ISos, I don't have them, have cues and bins, it is the same?

Pizza, do you remember a single game you read me as town, I don't... You got me two times max as scum, the rest of games as townie. Also call me kumquat, the Reid thing annoys me a lot, don't know why honestly...

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yup sure did!

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

yup sure did!

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What?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

If quat is telling the truth, I don't see how crimson's role defines his alignment. In fact, it seems they both have very similar roles. The timing of this claim I dislike however, given it comes when it feels like town has just about swung to calling Crimson town.

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first off yes it does

why would that restriction be on a town vig

i mean it could be but that would be highly abnormal imo

i think it's probably just a weakened SK

why is the timing bad because people are townreading him? explain please

As a matter of timing, a proper intervention would be at the beginning of Day 2, not during Night 2 - unless Riedquat is making a complete lunatic lie.

And what do you mean, Crimson, by "yup sure did"? Are you saying you couldn't kill N1 because you were marking or scanning for eligibility? I'll tell you that I am very supportive of third-parties, so be candid here.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

first off yes it does

why would that restriction be on a town vig

i mean it could be but that would be highly abnormal imo

i think it's probably just a weakened SK

why is the timing bad because people are townreading him? explain please

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As for the alignment stuff, I will leave that to those with experience. However, if we assume that earlier the mafia were trying to mislynch crimson, then they would conclude by this point that they have probably failed. Therefore, they might send one of their own to claim something really weird to discredit crimson as a last ditch effort, trying to make town paranoid.

If that's true, then Riedquat must be a total black sheep to his team or something.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

If that's true, then Riedquat must be a total black sheep to his team or something.

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Yeah, that is the only hole in this plan, I can't imagine mafia trading 1 for 1, normally I would expect 2 for 1, and in a game this large 3 or 4 to one.

It's a really big hole. Especially if he's telling the truth and can only vig sometimes (which seems like a weird role but hey) mafia aren't gonna out themselves on something that can be resolved that easily. It's super -ev for any scum to do that.

Reading the parts of D1 I skimmed first time, Crimson and Cuth look better while Visor and GH look worse.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

It's super -ev for any scum to do that.

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Google is giving me nothing, what is -ev?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Google is giving me nothing, what is -ev?

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expected value

i think it's mostly a poker term, stolen from statistics

Pelican is showing townie thoughts, but I know he can do that.

What I'm not seeing so far is anything that looks like real solving intent.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Pelican is showing townie thoughts, but I know he can do that.

What I'm not seeing so far is anything that looks like real solving intent.

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Yeah, his posts were good at the time that he posted them, but he hasn't been showing much commitment past that.