If boq flips town*Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
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If boq flips town*Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
what do you think about it so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
What are you seeing in boq/dz worldsQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
it existsQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
nothing, that just means the team isn't in my poeQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
achro
dya
ender
boq
wisdom
since boq/wisdom/dya presumably town
and dz's been sussed hard
there are others but that's the first thing that came to mind
talk to me about achro and ender, robyn
it sucks the joat is fucking obvious after poisoning me, it's literally only one person and that pisses me off more than poisoning me, leaving joat cover is just embarrassingly poor holy fuck
i need to iso them, i intend to meta case ender one way or another tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
illario had you as a tr so i'll let you be town since it doesn't mess up my worldview
do you intend to participate more today?
i don't know what you think about the gamestate besides and i haven't seen into you do anything except be wrong on me
i need to see more
Don't meta-case me until I get my popcorn. I am v curious what comes out of this.
Despite my biggest sus flipping town I'm still pretty keyed into my little world of Vul/Nutella being town rn?
But I'm also adding Dya to that maybe for stupid reasons.
I had at least one more townread.
I didn't townread Robyn last night but kinda maybe townreading Robyn now.
what has dya done to make you townread themQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Also I retract my Syn hard townread for now.
Though I think he's still town? I just gotta deal with the fact that his worldview is kinda wild.
does his worldview being wild preclude him from being town?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
consider that people thought his worldview wasnt right the last game
is it more or less wild than shrug-chopping boquise because a last-second flash-wagon failed on d1 with everyone collectively adopting the revisionist history take of "illario was super townie actually"Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I am tired enough I had a half-typed response to this and then clicked refresh without thinking lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I am the first to tell you I don't have a great read on Dya but
The whole thing about thinking they were yest's counter at daystart honestly felt more like dya towngames. The annoyed justifications that stemmed from it etc. Just not sure I'd see that as a misunderstanding they'd have as wolf.
Disclaimer I did say it was a dumb reason.
ender can you do me a favor and post a full readslist
and your top 2 wolfreads, assuming rask/syn town
I honestly am not surprised at people regretting chopping illario D1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Hell I do too.
How they express that regret is nyeh and you instantly scumreading the people who said that isn't gonna hit 75% of the time.
i scumread three people, one of which who isn't even awake and hasn't posted yetQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
but continue with the shade I guess
visor
nutella - probably just a villager 95% of the time, became her more freeflowing self after a stiff start, don't really care that she was v wrong on illario
wisdom - probably a Bad Read (tm) but i trust illarios read there and think they kinda improved going into eod, and their unvote was not very villagery, but a villagery kind of not very villagery
vulgard - seems to be doing his own thing, possibly a blind spot here, but posts seemed roughly like what i expect them to be
cape - haven't really paid much attention to his posts but they seem reasonable enough
lapras - not sure what to make of drz though i think him wolfreading me yet again is prob a good sign
achro - go back and forth here, mild v read for esoteric reasons
raskol - need to reread
syn - posting is way more aggressive than previous game, still debating what to take away from it
ender - posts just feel weird bronana
dyachei - feel like they tried to latch onto me earlier, feel like they are struggling to be proactive
boq - wolfread by ladd, had a good post vs nutella but kinda eh
robyn - ded (tho do think prob villa)
Evidently not. See my post where I explicitly say "But I think he might still be town."Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
shade doesn't even make sense since it relies on ignoring the first half of my sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Full reads list I'll hold off until I reread.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Lapras/Wisdom is top 2 before me thinking over things.
I hold the right to change this later.
Wisdom is one I personally believe is wolfy but I am hedging on because of illario's read?
Achro is my replacement if I decide to take out Wisdom as of RIGHT right now.
Vote: raskol
j'accuse
im trying to get into the game more after irl shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
like yeah, i get that you guys wanted more from me d1, but i literally had to scramble to get a job ad together so everytime i caught up on the thread, i was pulled away to do something else job related
@VisorQuote:
Originally Posted by robyn
not hyperbole but i think i had the most accurate reads d1 and ladd being the nk kinda proves that
i think his townlist is just clear, otherwise he wouldn't die and i wouldn't have the exact readslist before he made his
you should solve in worlds where we were right, then it becomes pretty simple
ender/boq/dya is a fine poe, probs 2 wolves, can you sure up your reads here instead of hunting outside of poe?
why is rask a wolf, visor?
how are you all being so lazy omg
"illario said wisdom is town so they're town"
"ladd said nutella is town so they're town"
no!!! that isn't how it works!!!! you can find a town read on anyone after enough villagers die!!!!
ladd said i was town so I guess I am lock clear now guys sorry better luck next time
I feel like a lot of people are saying lapras is howling but not explaining that read. I iso'd vul and came away thinking that case was more tunnel than genius so I would like to hear more detailed thoughts there.
Will be pretty busy tonight but I should be around later.
Syn lock clear wow. Didn't see that one coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
someone tell me how to read achro
ask chatgpt to summarize the postQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
i mean i just believe nutella is a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
my wisdom read is a little lazy i will accept
is there a way to do this for free without hitting a limit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Beneath the sky's expanse so wide and stark,
My heart is rent, the joy of life now fled,
For she who graced my days with songs of lark,
My feline friend, lies silent, cold, and dead.
Her supple form, once lithe and full of grace,
Did prowl the night, a stealthy hunter's gait,
With verdant eyes, so keen to stalk and chase,
Her prey, they fell, to her triumphant fate.
Her regal air, she held her head up high,
In every room, the queenly throne she'd claim,
But now, I weep, no solace can I find,
My tears, like rain, pour endless from my frame.
Oh, cruel fate, my dearest friend to take,
My heart is shattered, ne'er again to wake.
As townQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
this also worksQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
@nutella this is why I initially unvoted rather than self pressed, seeing the flip and boq being the sudden cw made me sad I didn't stick to my guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wisdom
That said I don't really feel confident about w!boq, although if that's the case I feel semi-cleared.
Haven't done nka yet but I'm pretty sure ladd died for being ladd rather than being right, although most of that is based on him wolf reading me wrongly.Quote:
Originally Posted by robyn
Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro
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Originally Posted by nutella
https://64.media.tumblr.com/8c312f9f...68ad32c605.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Wisdom
I am sorry to say that actually I am threadspewed town because basically everyone aside from Cape has either shaded me or dismissed me outright.
Please re-evaluate. God bless.
somebody save meeee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdCzs5uPrI
Syn what are you even doing this game
i want you to know that i was really tempted to ask chatgpt to write me a response to this question in 300 words, roleplaying as a noir detectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
anyway i'm doing my worst wbu
that would put you in the top 5 of interactions I've had this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
tbh, kind of bad here. I tend to like to get a grasp of the game through how people treat me and so far there's been a lot of nothing there. Judging by my thread positioning it's -ev for town to do that so I need to figure out what's going on there. I thought maybe people just have no taste in rp, but I've got the second most posts in this game and it genuinely feels like barely anyone has taken the time to get a grasp on anything I've done if it doesn't relate directly to them.
@Syn tell me more about nutella's opening wolfing. What gives her away?
that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissedQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
(i dismissed you too so lol me)
This does seem like a possibility, but that possibility doesn't jive well with nutella being scum given she at least poked me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)
is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon
I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips
both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic
by the way achro is talking right now and has been day 1, I would perfer not him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wisdom
i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boquise
I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh
So let me see if I follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Team of Nutella/Vul/Wisdom
Wanted a counter wagon that wasn't Wisdom so people would turn back the clock and forget that was the counter wagon for a time.
Made sure Illario was the one to go over so now Boq, town victim and counterwagon, would naturally be in danger today and future days since resolving counterwagons is generally +ev and Boq had suspicion to spare on himself.
The votes from those three I believe were -
Nutella who wanted illario, waned off a bit, ended back on
Vul who missed EOD
Wisdom who didnt want to counter vote but ended up doing that all the same.
Hm.
im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game
This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough
they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.
Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...20#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.
And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too
The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.
There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.
I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.
I should really just not entertain this post but all of these things are really just town indicative for me and you should know that to at least some extentQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
especially the holding multiple possible solves part. like yes i kind of just want boq to be a hit now even though i wasn't there yesterday. but i have other suspects that i am thinking through.
vulgard is just obvious town and you should just take the L there dude
youre either faking your continued confidence in this world or somehow have an extremely skewed idea of how skilled my wolf game is lol. if you really think i'm "setting achro up as a mischop" i don't know what to tell you except find a game where i was a wolf and let it dissolve your tinfoil
just glancing at that iso and from my other experiences with him, i do kinda feel like he's shown a bit of the depth of thought in this game that he typically lacks as wolf. like his iso there is very thin and shallow. it's not *much* better here so far but there are a few things like his narration of thoughts on wisdom and on me that go a little beyond what i've seen from his wolf gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
this helps though too. the fact that you're seeing that stark of a difference does mean a bit to me, even if i feel like he's more in between the two extremes in this game so far and could go both waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
again i do *want* him to be a hit here and robyn's poe stuff earlier as well as dya improving somewhat also made me feel it's more likely
but there was that moment where i said i was townlocking him for like...how i understood his depth of thought in a way that resonated. idk
also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying
there's actually no legible wolf motivation for what he's describing me as having purportedly done unless boq is a wolf but that isn't part of his solve it just doesn't make sense
he either thinks wolves would particularly want illario to go over rather than a slot that has more potential to remain in mischop territory -- but then why does the part about catalyzing a counterwagon mean anything
or he perspective slipped boq w
or he's town syn with bad opinions not really thinking through the actual implications of his goofy tunnel because he wants to be different
Would have been pretty cool if I could have walked through more stuff with syn and getting more thoughts before you summoned exodia the forbidden one against his post nutella
Was hoping to get more perspective there to solve lol.
the throughline for all of my votes and takes is there if you bother to look for it
if you can use the plinko board tell on wisdom you can also understand how my play has been waterfally
anyway you're gonna love this but i don't think i'm going to push wisdom much today, will see how they continue. also not feeling a dya vote anymore, they could still be a wolf but i have a better vibe from them today as well. while robyn has more focus on those two slots (particularly in boq v worlds which is reasonable), i do vibe with robyn's general poe and i'm looking to push in boq/achro/ender/lapras today.
as an aside i keep forgetting rask exists (prob just bc he hasn't posted yet today idt) and why i was tring him tbh
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really? you don't see the wolf motivation behind having a mischop chain of illario > boq > achro > lapras?Quote:
Originally Posted by nutella
very cool multiquote
Achro takes syn seriously for a moment and nutella suddenly acting SHOOK
and yeah achro i am cooling on you too bc i have agreed with you on a fair bit of stuff recently and you honestly do have a point that kinda everyone has poed you atp (not originally though, only after i started it :bow:) which isn't like a lock or anything but yeah youre just in a kind of weird thread position where i can appreciate your solving angle
with ender i really like the vibe of his posts when i look back at them but he just sits in a strange spot for me in the pl. idk this has happened before where i just couldnt read him and he was town but i just cant fully land there and other slots are townier
lapras just needs to either get a hell of a lot townier or not
I think some of it is I signed up for a casual and chill game to be casual and chill and it is making people overlook me generally. Ladd didn't even read my posts lolQuote:
Originally Posted by nutella
sure but that wasn't eod so it is not an actual "save" and the wagon completely disappeared after that unrelated to anything i was posting because i was actually fueling the suspicion on them a fair amount and said i was almost equally okay with both wagons and if wisdom had been the one to take off instead of illario i prob wouldve ended up thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
you can level 1 hurr durr partner read things all you want but it's extremely silly, just like take a minute to realize a villager can have complex thoughts and hedge on a suspicion and not look perfectly clean on them
well no bc im not a wolf and mischop chains are not something im doing or particularly conscious ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
do you actually think that i make the vote in the middle of the day, not even sure those wagons would last and they didn't, that put illario ahead of wisdom, if wisdom is my wolf partner? do you think i wouldn't just like, fart around on some vanity vote until eod to see if i had to commit to either bussing or saving? idk i'm trying to actually model what i would do as a wolf with wisdom in that situation and i'm not sure but i don't think it's that exact illario vote at that exact time
Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'
So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.
me wasting posts waiting for syn to take a moment to chew it over with a fucking twix when i know that isn't gonna happen bc hes addicted to snapping snarky responses from his tunnel instead
nah he's not a wolf he's just being a painQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
look, syn, you are wrong on me and probably wrong on vulgard (if hes styling on me then whatever clown me in post), but you started this off from being pretty confident on wisdom, so work that one out, case wisdom and convince us all to flip them today and go from there?
the answer to every "do you actually think" question is yes, obviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by nutella
Boq
dyachei
EnderWiggin
raskolnikov
Wisdom
Current list of people I don't really town read independent of random things.
I know that boq/wis isn't a pair but I haven't investigated much of anything because this site's iso feature is kind of gross.
Hey visor is on here as well. He snuck off that shortlist. Get back on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
k I'm done playingQuote:
Originally Posted by nutella
I like that I always get wagoned after I announce going to sleep tbh
It is difficult being Mr Popular
Anywho, this is going to be a busy weekend for me. I am going to squeeze in a few posts here and there but it will be difficult
I have Wisdom as vQuote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
I think Rask has scum equity if Nutella is v
I am ambivalent on Nutella's alignment
I am weakly town reading DZ/Lapras
Tho honestly, if you've read my posts you should know the first two reads I present here. So why didn't you?
Oh I am also strongly town reading cape. Since Illario was v I don't think scum!Cape opts to create a counter wagon on me
Oh I don't remember this gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
Is this the game where I was celebrating my birthday on D1 and was death tunnelled for thus not having any reads/not being caught up + getting tilted that I was scum read because of that?