Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Syn]

robyn i understand why youre mad at the poisoner's choice and need to get that out of your system but would you like to use the day to contribute to solving before you die

what do you think of {achro lapras wisdom} as a solve

Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro

[Achro]

I am sorry to say that actually I am threadspewed town because basically everyone aside from Cape has either shaded me or dismissed me outright.

Please re-evaluate. God bless.

[Syn]

somebody save meeee

[Achro]

Syn what are you even doing this game

[Syn]

Syn what are you even doing this game

i want you to know that i was really tempted to ask chatgpt to write me a response to this question in 300 words, roleplaying as a noir detective

anyway i'm doing my worst wbu

[Achro]

i want you to know that i was really tempted to ask chatgpt to write me a response to this question in 300 words, roleplaying as a noir detective

anyway i'm doing my worst wbu

that would put you in the top 5 of interactions I've had this game.

tbh, kind of bad here. I tend to like to get a grasp of the game through how people treat me and so far there's been a lot of nothing there. Judging by my thread positioning it's -ev for town to do that so I need to figure out what's going on there. I thought maybe people just have no taste in rp, but I've got the second most posts in this game and it genuinely feels like barely anyone has taken the time to get a grasp on anything I've done if it doesn't relate directly to them.

[Achro]

@Syn tell me more about nutella's opening wolfing. What gives her away?

[Syn]

that would put you in the top 5 of interactions I've had this game.

tbh, kind of bad here. I tend to like to get a grasp of the game through how people treat me and so far there's been a lot of nothing there. Judging by my thread positioning it's -ev for town to do that so I need to figure out what's going on there. I thought maybe people just have no taste in rp, but I've got the second most posts in this game and it genuinely feels like barely anyone has taken the time to get a grasp on anything I've done if it doesn't relate directly to them.

that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed

(i dismissed you too so lol me)

[Achro]

that's because they are setting you up as a mischop and that's easier to do when you're dismissed

(i dismissed you too so lol me)

This does seem like a possibility, but that possibility doesn't jive well with nutella being scum given she at least poked me.

[Syn]

@Syn tell me more about nutella's opening wolfing. What gives her away?

really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

[Cape90]

Ugh it feels like I town read a wolf yesterday but I still don't really want to change tracks. Something something Boq/Lapras/Achro

by the way achro is talking right now and has been day 1, I would perfer not him.

[Cape90]

Given my activity and the mood from my posts, I don't see how anyone can read me as "powerwolfy" or even "overly aggressive". Like ever.

I guess the way to go is to artificially adjust my postings to appropriate levels based on my activity then

i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.

I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh

[Achro]

really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

So let me see if I follow.

Team of Nutella/Vul/Wisdom

Wanted a counter wagon that wasn't Wisdom so people would turn back the clock and forget that was the counter wagon for a time.

Made sure Illario was the one to go over so now Boq, town victim and counterwagon, would naturally be in danger today and future days since resolving counterwagons is generally +ev and Boq had suspicion to spare on himself.

The votes from those three I believe were -

Nutella who wanted illario, waned off a bit, ended back on

Vul who missed EOD

Wisdom who didnt want to counter vote but ended up doing that all the same.

Hm.

[Cape90]

im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game

This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough

they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.

Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...20#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.

And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too

The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.

There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.

I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.

[nutella]

really inauthentic attempts at appearing like she's free-flow solving (though visor bought it ez pz)

saved wisdom yesterday and was instrumental in starting a flash wagon ("are we really going to stay on illario :/" but then voting illario anyway to make sure he died over boquise)

is pushing the counterwagon today while also simultaneously pushing a solve that doesn't contain said counterwagon

I think she has great equity with both vulgard and wisdom, who have each acted in a way to push a coordinated worldview that guarantees nutella and vulgard going to the endgame easily and very likely shields wisdom but lets nutella and vulgard gain cred if wisdom flips

both vulgard and nutella have specifically targeted my push and called it funny, dismissing it entirely out of turn which has encouraged others to dismiss me as a crazed lunatic

I should really just not entertain this post but all of these things are really just town indicative for me and you should know that to at least some extent

especially the holding multiple possible solves part. like yes i kind of just want boq to be a hit now even though i wasn't there yesterday. but i have other suspects that i am thinking through.

vulgard is just obvious town and you should just take the L there dude

youre either faking your continued confidence in this world or somehow have an extremely skewed idea of how skilled my wolf game is lol. if you really think i'm "setting achro up as a mischop" i don't know what to tell you except find a game where i was a wolf and let it dissolve your tinfoil

i wouldn't consider you like that now, but I do attribute your wolf play sometimes, but this game has sorta reminded me of what you literally did in https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-So-Big-Or-Bad as weedle.

I would have to parse your town and wolf play, i'm probably gonna try the mafia league game 4 for your wolf game and some other town game tbh

just glancing at that iso and from my other experiences with him, i do kinda feel like he's shown a bit of the depth of thought in this game that he typically lacks as wolf. like his iso there is very thin and shallow. it's not *much* better here so far but there are a few things like his narration of thoughts on wisdom and on me that go a little beyond what i've seen from his wolf games

im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game

This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough

they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.

Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...20#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.

And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too

The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.

There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.

I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.

this helps though too. the fact that you're seeing that stark of a difference does mean a bit to me, even if i feel like he's more in between the two extremes in this game so far and could go both ways


again i do *want* him to be a hit here and robyn's poe stuff earlier as well as dya improving somewhat also made me feel it's more likely

but there was that moment where i said i was townlocking him for like...how i understood his depth of thought in a way that resonated. idk

[nutella]

also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying

[nutella]

there's actually no legible wolf motivation for what he's describing me as having purportedly done unless boq is a wolf but that isn't part of his solve it just doesn't make sense

he either thinks wolves would particularly want illario to go over rather than a slot that has more potential to remain in mischop territory -- but then why does the part about catalyzing a counterwagon mean anything

or he perspective slipped boq w


or he's town syn with bad opinions not really thinking through the actual implications of his goofy tunnel because he wants to be different

[Achro]

Would have been pretty cool if I could have walked through more stuff with syn and getting more thoughts before you summoned exodia the forbidden one against his post nutella

Was hoping to get more perspective there to solve lol.

[nutella]

the throughline for all of my votes and takes is there if you bother to look for it

if you can use the plinko board tell on wisdom you can also understand how my play has been waterfally


anyway you're gonna love this but i don't think i'm going to push wisdom much today, will see how they continue. also not feeling a dya vote anymore, they could still be a wolf but i have a better vibe from them today as well. while robyn has more focus on those two slots (particularly in boq v worlds which is reasonable), i do vibe with robyn's general poe and i'm looking to push in boq/achro/ender/lapras today.

as an aside i keep forgetting rask exists (prob just bc he hasn't posted yet today idt) and why i was tring him tbh

[Syn]

also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying

hrm ok

vote: illario

imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom

weh

[Syn]

also that second line of syn's post just has no truth to it lol. no idea what he's referring to about me "saving" wisdom, their wagon gradually disbanded, and neither did i cause a flashwagon -- i commented that i wanted ladd's dya vote to become a cw but felt there wasn't time for it to happen, i had no interest in voting boq at that point, other people just started doing it and it made me more uncomfortable than just staying

hrm ok

vote: illario

imagine this being the wisdom/nutella w/w vote that saves wisdom

there's actually no legible wolf motivation for what he's describing me as having purportedly done unless boq is a wolf but that isn't part of his solve it just doesn't make sense

he either thinks wolves would particularly want illario to go over rather than a slot that has more potential to remain in mischop territory -- but then why does the part about catalyzing a counterwagon mean anything

or he perspective slipped boq w


or he's town syn with bad opinions not really thinking through the actual implications of his goofy tunnel because he wants to be different

really? you don't see the wolf motivation behind having a mischop chain of illario > boq > achro > lapras?

[Syn]

very cool multiquote

[Achro]

Achro takes syn seriously for a moment and nutella suddenly acting SHOOK

[nutella]

and yeah achro i am cooling on you too bc i have agreed with you on a fair bit of stuff recently and you honestly do have a point that kinda everyone has poed you atp (not originally though, only after i started it ) which isn't like a lock or anything but yeah youre just in a kind of weird thread position where i can appreciate your solving angle


with ender i really like the vibe of his posts when i look back at them but he just sits in a strange spot for me in the pl. idk this has happened before where i just couldnt read him and he was town but i just cant fully land there and other slots are townier


lapras just needs to either get a hell of a lot townier or not

[Achro]

and yeah achro i am cooling on you too bc i have agreed with you on a fair bit of stuff recently and you honestly do have a point that kinda everyone has poed you atp (not originally though, only after i started it ) which isn't like a lock or anything but yeah youre just in a kind of weird thread position where i can appreciate your solving angle


with ender i really like the vibe of his posts when i look back at them but he just sits in a strange spot for me in the pl. idk this has happened before where i just couldnt read him and he was town but i just cant fully land there and other slots are townier


lapras just needs to either get a hell of a lot townier or not

I think some of it is I signed up for a casual and chill game to be casual and chill and it is making people overlook me generally. Ladd didn't even read my posts lol

[nutella]

weh

sure but that wasn't eod so it is not an actual "save" and the wagon completely disappeared after that unrelated to anything i was posting because i was actually fueling the suspicion on them a fair amount and said i was almost equally okay with both wagons and if wisdom had been the one to take off instead of illario i prob wouldve ended up there

you can level 1 hurr durr partner read things all you want but it's extremely silly, just like take a minute to realize a villager can have complex thoughts and hedge on a suspicion and not look perfectly clean on them

really? you don't see the wolf motivation behind having a mischop chain of illario > boq > achro > lapras?

well no bc im not a wolf and mischop chains are not something im doing or particularly conscious of

[nutella]

do you actually think that i make the vote in the middle of the day, not even sure those wagons would last and they didn't, that put illario ahead of wisdom, if wisdom is my wolf partner? do you think i wouldn't just like, fart around on some vanity vote until eod to see if i had to commit to either bussing or saving? idk i'm trying to actually model what i would do as a wolf with wisdom in that situation and i'm not sure but i don't think it's that exact illario vote at that exact time

[Achro]

Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'

So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.

[nutella]

me wasting posts waiting for syn to take a moment to chew it over with a fucking twix when i know that isn't gonna happen bc hes addicted to snapping snarky responses from his tunnel instead

[nutella]

Problem with syn wolf world is pushing this scum team is audacious and is undercut by the night kill. I didn't like your eod nutella but the nk immediately made me go 'well I don't think nutella does that one'

So if syn is wolf they are kind of dumb.

nah he's not a wolf he's just being a pain