Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

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9. Mafia's info
The mafia will know who they are and have powers they can safely claim. Try to brute force my game, and prepare for disappointment. They'll always have more info than you.

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The counterclaim makes Viper look town but I don't think it makes Monty scum.

But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote:Choxorn

Choxorn looks pretty bad to me at this point. His posts/vote don't lineup at all.

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Decent case. Vote:Choxorn

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Originally Posted by novice

From the opening post:

The counterclaim makes Viper look town but I don't think it makes Monty scum.

But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

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Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

SV, imagine for a second that there are more than one blocker this game.

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Imagine for a second you haven't read all my posts.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Of course, there's the possibility of two 1x RBs, but I have to doubt that as odd, and the GH vote is still bad.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

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Specifically 1x? Is that the norm here/for Pizza?
What do you think of the idea that 1x claims are easier for scum?

Viper is surprisingly hacked off. So what exactly he gonna counterclaim? He track GH somewhere?

Just saying for if we ever have a need to put him down: we knew he was a snake!

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

And the nature of his specific claim of 1x makes me suspect I might have been rolechecked, further making me willing to claim.
Of course, there's the possibility of two 1x RBs, but I have to doubt that as odd, and the GH vote is still bad.

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Tougher sell than I imagined you would try, Viper. This is a role game. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

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Originally Posted by Manasi

I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.

But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.

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Because it lets you off the hook?! bob ross

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I don't want to waste time arguing how something was scummy from someone who's already flipped, but in this case khaan was clearly going along with the Pokemon theme whereas when he does character schticks (which is what I was referencing) they're usually unrelated to the flavor, such as doing a Bob Ross for French Revolution.

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I didn't trust your evaluation. If Khaan indeed only pulled a single character shtick in over a year, then calling either the lack of a character shtick concerning or the explanation of a lack of a character shtick inconsistent is clearly fishing. For murder!

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Originally Posted by novice

But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

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He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

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I'm not sure how to interpret this.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

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OK, then why did you claim?

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Originally Posted by novice

OK, then why did you claim?

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Kamikaze lynch if necessary. It's the best way to demonstrate my probity.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Viper is surprisingly hacked off. So what exactly he gonna counterclaim? He track GH somewhere?
Just saying for if we ever have a need to put him down: we knew he was a snake!

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As a snake, I'm impressed with how boldly you're misrepresenting here. ^^

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Tougher sell than I imagined you would try, Viper. This is a role game. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

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I wasn't aware an average role game meant it was at all likely for there to be two of a specific role.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

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So where was your vote or voice before, brave scum Montmorency? Or were you that unsure that you had to wait to claim a roleblock that would mean nothing?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I wasn't aware an average role game meant it was at all likely for there to be two of a specific role.

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You are aware.

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So where was your vote or voice before, brave scum Montmorency? Or were you that unsure that you had to wait to claim a roleblock that would mean nothing?

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I was not around for EOD after checking GH's case.

Interesting also, that you find scum given to claims that mean nothing.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

You are aware.

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And I disagree. Not with this kind of role.
That's only the beginning of the issue here, and you haven't been helping that so far.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I was not around for EOD after checking GH's case.

Interesting also, that you find scum given to claims that mean nothing.

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Fair enough.

Please, no "scum wouldn't make that kind of slip" nonsense. The explanation for the vote was terrible.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Please, no "scum wouldn't make that kind of slip" nonsense. The explanation for the vote was terrible.

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Making random false claims is hardly just a "slip". You protecting GH by making a false claim would be more of a slip.

And I disagree.

As for roleblocks, keep in mind that these are one-shots, not static abilities.

Let's play a game, @Montmorency;. What do you think of Choxorn? Sooh? Novice?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Specifically 1x? Is that the norm here/for Pizza?
What do you think of the idea that 1x claims are easier for scum?

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I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Making random false claims is hardly just a "slip". You protecting GH by making a false claim would be more of a slip.

And I disagree.

As for roleblocks, keep in mind that these are one-shots, not static abilities.

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Like yours? Hm, I was protecting him with the claim, you say? Don't you think that's an odd move when I could have just called out your poor reasoning?

Okay.

Fair point, but you'll excuse me if I still don't trust it. You might just change my mind about you, however.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Let's play a game, @Montmorency;. What do you think of Choxorn? Sooh? Novice?

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If Choxorn has indeed tripped over himself, you have a case against him. But I don't see that he has tripped over himself, meaning on all other counts a town lean.

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.

I have null on Barto, Champ, Manasi, Logic, Raith, Jabbz, and the lurkers. Town lean on Csargo.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

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Interesting.

Eh, it's quite easy for scum to claim "I had this role, but I used it up on X already, sorry!"

But this is noted. 3 people is definitely excessive, rather, I'd say, but noted.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

If Choxorn has indeed tripped over himself, you have a case against him. But I don't see that he has tripped over himself, meaning on all other counts a town lean.

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.

I have null on Barto, Champ, Manasi, Logic, Raith, Jabbz, and the lurkers. Town lean on Csargo.

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And what of his suspecting you but not quite and avoiding putting his vote to back it up, then following your lead today?

Can you elaborate? Posts that give you that unease, at least?

A full reads list is nice, but if almost everyone is null, why bother? Does leaving me out mean a scum read?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Interesting.

Eh, it's quite easy for scum to claim "I had this role, but I used it up on X already, sorry!"

But this is noted. 3 people is definitely excessive, rather, I'd say, but noted.

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Perhaps, but outside of the scums having an exact list of roles in the game, which is improbable, but not impossible I guess, I don't see how they would know to claim exactly 1x RB.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.

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Would also like to see why here.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

And what of his suspecting you but not quite and avoiding putting his vote to back it up, then following your lead today?

Can you elaborate? Posts that give you that unease, at least?

A full reads list is nice, but if almost everyone is null, why bother? Does leaving me out mean a scum read?

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Choxorn has said today that he is more suspicious of GH than before, which isn't a huge commitment. Of course you probably hold the lack of commitment against him. He spent EOD yesterday challenging Champ on Khaan, for very similar reasons that he is now being challenged on Khaan - then getting wagoned. After he came into danger, Choxorn defended conduct wrt Champ, which you at least partly accepted in post 383. Finally he chose Khaan over me in the three-way. If you want a view on Choxorn, read his only posts in the "Representative Democracy" game here, for which he was immediately identified as scum and lynched D1. If you can make a good comparison between that performance and Choxorn now, that would be helpful. Or, you would have more currency pointing out Cuth's position on Choxorn before he was NKed.

Sooh and novice are difficult. For Sooh at least, in the recent Swords and Sorcery game - which was absolutely loaded with blocks and jails - Sooh was a serial killer. She was rather aggressive in the field D1, then lurked as the noose tightened around her and the scum. On D1 her most suspicious behavior was a number of bogus soft-pushes. I thank her for posting that link to her character evaluation and playstyle. Keep an eye on it. The most worrisome things so far are the way she talks about me and her pedantry D1, where I don't feel she has been particularly focused on pedantry in her town D1s here. For novice, I need to reread Tokens of Confection.

I'm talking to you. I'll give my lean on you when its for someone else.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Choxorn has said today that he is more suspicious of GH than before, which isn't a huge commitment. Of course you probably hold the lack of commitment against him. He spent EOD yesterday challenging Champ on Khaan, for very similar reasons that he is now being challenged on Khaan - then getting wagoned. After he came into danger, Choxorn defended conduct wrt Champ, which you at least partly accepted in post 383. Finally he chose Khaan over me in the three-way. If you want a view on Choxorn, read his only posts in the "Representative Democracy" game here, for which he was immediately identified as scum and lynched D1. If you can make a good comparison between that performance and Choxorn now, that would be helpful. Or, you would have more currency pointing out Cuth's position on Choxorn before he was NKed.

Sooh and novice are difficult. For Sooh at least, in the recent Swords and Sorcery game - which was absolutely loaded with blocks and jails - Sooh was a serial killer. She was rather aggressive in the field D1, then lurked as the noose tightened around her and the scum. On D1 her most suspicious behavior was a number of bogus soft-pushes. I thank her for posting that link to her character evaluation and playstyle. Keep an eye on it. The most worrisome things so far are the way she talks about me and her pedantry D1, where I don't feel she has been particularly focused on pedantry in her town D1s here. For novice, I need to reread Tokens of Confection.

I'm talking to you. I'll give my lean on you when its for someone else.

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A vote is a decent commitment, is it not? No, the reasons he is being challenged on khaan are the opposite of why he challenged Champ. He claimed Champ's coming in to criticize the case on khaan was strangely defensive of him, while he's being challenged for voting khaan despite having him as null and claiming to actually have suspicion of you. I'll look at that, but don't expect me to form a meta read. NK analysis, hm?

Interesting, now answer my question. Posts in this game you find make you uneasy for both.

Understood.

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A vote is a decent commitment, is it not?

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Sounds like a simple misunderstanding. Choxorn hasn't yet voted today, for GH or otherwise.

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while he's being challenged for voting khaan despite having him as null and claiming to actually have suspicion of you.

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According to Choxorn, it's because he felt a Khaan flip would give more information on Khaan's pushers than a Montmorency flip. Given that two votes on me were early lurker votes, and Choxorn found Logic otherwise favorable, the account seems to check out.

No specific posts on novice and Sooh, not interested in doing ISO at this point.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Sounds like a simple misunderstanding. Choxorn hasn't yet voted today, for GH or otherwise.



According to Choxorn, it's because he felt a Khaan flip would give more information on Khaan's pushers than a Montmorency flip. Given that two votes on me were early lurker votes, and Choxorn found Logic otherwise favorable, the account seems to check out.

No specific posts on novice and Sooh, not interested in doing ISO at this point.

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I stand corrected, although I would call it a lapse in attention. I have a quota of those I have to meet, it seems

Khaan's pusher, rather, and the two who challenged the case. That's 3/17 at most, nor has Choxorn seemed to make anything of it besides GH being suspicious.

Fair enough.

Oh nice.

I was poisoned last night.



I blame cuth.


Someone halp.

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

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u gonna feed me an antidote or what

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

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One of whom could easily be scum.

I''ll be driving for the next 7 hours, so I probably won't be very active until (real life) tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Manasi

u gonna feed me an antidote or what

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Sure, we'll figure it out. You'll have nothing to worry about.