Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Meh, I'm too tired to think or converse. See you all tomorrow.

[Choxorn]

Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.

[autolycus]

Vote: GH ]because I saw it all coming yesterday and I warned you so I roleblocked him tonight to stop him and now I'm played out with no powers but doesn't matter valiance unfold.

Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?

Now tell me who scans type so the rest of the scum can't hide.

And now you want a scanner to claim?

Vote:Montmorency

[Sooh]

Could you elaborate, Sooh?

The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.

[Sooh]

Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?

You really can't see why this would be?

[El Barto]

The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.

This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.

Conundra such as this one make life interesting.

[Csargo]

This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.

Conundra such as this one make life interesting.

Tell me a story Barto.

[Montmorency]

This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.

Conundra such as this one make life interesting.

Conundrata.

[El Barto]

Tell me a story Barto.

You have one here, about the art of diplomacy and war. It is a good one, even if I do say so myself.

Conundrata.

You uncultured barbarian. How dare you make posts in such an inconsequential, superficial style?

[Choxorn]

Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?

Another one of the scums could have killed Cuth even if GH was blocked.

[Sooh]

Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.

Seireikhaan- I don't like the case on him, but he hasn't done much to make himself look town yet, so I'd call it a null. Also, I find it kind of weird how much people have talked about him given how little he's actually said and done in this game.

Would agree with all this. Strangely don't like the Mont wagon though despite shady read. Seems like a fool's train. Not really hairy, but like it went in the lead almost incidentally.

Unvote, Vote: Seireikhaan

Not really a huge fan of either Khaan or Monty being lynched right now, but I could certainly see either being scum and I think Khaan's flip might give some more information based on how other people have talked about him today.

Hmm. Sure.

Vote: Seireikhaan

The entire progression, basically from both of them, looks scummy to me.

[Sooh]

That was mainly in response to El Barto's conundrum.

[El Barto]

Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.

why not today

Good Question.

Unvote, Vote: Champ

Mr. Choxorn?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Jabbz:

@GHC Basically I didn't want to vote on a guy I was not getting any scum vibes from, and I saw fewer problems with Khaan than Chox. Admittedly that might be because the Khaan case was developing over a larger period and I'm reading bits and pieces. I understand I'll be held accountable for it tho, just don't expect a better explanation, as my justification is weak. No vote or vote on anyone else would likely also get me questioned tomorrow anyway. GL all.

Aside from the super hedgy tone, which I hate, why did you not mention/factor Monty into your analysis at all? He was always the other main wagon D1, and yet you presented it as a binary case between khaan and Choxorn. What's with that?

Monty, can you point me to where you were talking about khaan and how this implicates me? And yes, a lot of us (myself most certainly included) had incorrect scumreads on Chox and were pretty dead-set on him being mafia in his champs game.

Choxorn:

Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.

You know khaan didn't flip town either, right?

[El Barto]

Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus SeveringViper

May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?

[El Barto]

Choxorn:

Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.

You know khaan didn't flip town either, right?

We should also take note that, being a Visorslash Third Party Survivor, it is most unlikely that seireikhaan was coördinating anything with any other player, or engaged in off-thread communications.

[Sooh]

???

You and I are going to have a chat about this tomorrow if we're both alive.

Looking forward to this part.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We should also take note that, being a Visorslash Third Party Survivor, it is most unlikely that seireikhaan was coördinating anything with any other player, or engaged in off-thread communications.

No, but his motives were different from town's, and that probably impacted his posting on D1.

[El Barto]

Looking forward to this part.

Seconded.

No, but his motives were different from town's, and that probably impacted his posting on D1.

Given that, when I am assigned a role in these games of the Innocent alignment, I tend to behave as a quasi-survivor, I wouldn't be too much against that.
Furthermore, it has often been pointed out that a Survivor can be forced to act as if his or her alignment were Innocent rather than Neutral.

[Montmorency]

@GH

Post 281, via Post 448.

[SeveringViper]

Vote: GH because I saw it all coming yesterday and I warned you so I roleblocked him tonight to stop him and now I'm played out with no powers but doesn't matter valiance unfold.

Now tell me who scans type so the rest of the scum can't hide.

Nopeeeeeeee.

a. This reason makes no sense and I think anyone who seriously considered it should be ashamed (unless they're scum)
b. I'm counterclaiming.

Vote: Montmorency

Another one of the scums could have killed Cuth even if GH was blocked.

And how does that make it evidence against GH?

[Manasi]

Sup.

I'm here dw.

[Choxorn]

Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.

If you're saying my vote was an OMGUS vote, I didn't actually realize Khaan switched to me before I made my post voting him. That's why I posted a reaction to his switch after voting for him.

I voted for khaan, despite having a null read on him, because I didn't see Monty's lynch as great either and I thought khaan's lynch might give some information about the players who were either defending him or scumreading him, which there were quite a lot of.

[SeveringViper]

The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.

His sheeping could be either:

a. His being scum who was too afraid/lazy to develop and show a case/process of his own and therefore picked someone else's and stuck to it.

b. The result of his not having much time and/or lacking a convenient way to access the forums and post with his laptop in maintenance, so he defaulted to sheeping a case he liked without elaborating.

So you think it's a.?

[El Barto]

Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.

(quoted posts)

The entire progression, basically from both of them, looks scummy to me.

Ah-ha.

That was mainly in response to El Barto's conundrum.

Very well, I might be persuaded to vote for Raith Kemmler. We have time.

Sup.

I'm here dw.

How are things going with you, my good lady?

[Sooh]

b. I'm counterclaiming.

????

[Sooh]

His sheeping could be either:

a. His being scum who was too afraid/lazy to develop and show a case/process of his own and therefore picked someone else's and stuck to it.

b. The result of his not having much time and/or lacking a convenient way to access the forums and post with his laptop in maintenance, so he defaulted to sheeping a case he liked without elaborating.

So you think it's a.?

Given that there wasn't much of a case, yes.

[Sooh]

Ok I have to go to bed.

Back in the morning.

[GeneralHankerchief]

@GH

Post 281, via Post 448.

I don't want to waste time arguing how something was scummy from someone who's already flipped, but in this case khaan was clearly going along with the Pokemon theme whereas when he does character schticks (which is what I was referencing) they're usually unrelated to the flavor, such as doing a Bob Ross for French Revolution.

Sup.

I'm here dw.

Takes?

[Manasi]

How are things going with you, my good lady?

Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?

Takes?

Meh. Nothing has really changed.

Surprised khaan was enough of a factor to anyone but I could have just inherently been skimming over their posts. Good survivor lynch I guess rip 3P.

Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.

But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.

My reads haven't really changed much. I've only really skimmed though so idk.