I had a negative covid test and I'm really happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
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I had a negative covid test and I'm really happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
SureQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2393
I will make this a 2-in-1 as I was wolf as well, you ISO on this site like you ISO here btw.
But dya was wolf partner, I carried in final 3, yw dya
anywho
I feel like dyachei's posts usually come off in their wolf game as a lot more mild with less actual effort put into them.
I just do not see w!dya making this specific pointQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
From what I have observed, usually dya likes to tip-toe around villagers that they could easily discredit and push as wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I think dya's earlier comments on me leading to their light townread on me were towny. Same with Amy if I am looking non-selfishly :p
I have this feeling that dya's posts are coming off more natural then usual this game. They usually just are not the player to type big posts if you are basing your suspicions off of that.
Sometimes it feels like dyachei is in their wolf meta, but I just do not get the feeling this game. They haven't felt in the background as they seem to like to be as wolf, like I have noticed their posts.
I do not even think w!dya would have the motivation to make 1183, though a post like that is fairly atypical from what I usually see of dyachei as we have been in a lot of games together. I guess the follow up is slightly strange though 1202.
Then dya kinda slipped onto backtracking their read from that point forward, which I don't think is scummy, but is something I don't think I have seen dya usually do.
welp, it's been good playing with 2 town, let's lose now!
oh it's desperadoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
spicy
I thought it was a sorcerer
Nice happy for uQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Well.
I hope I'm wrong on Vulgard.
Honestly should've just shot ender or amy and let the day actually progress impo
But if vulgard is a wolf Woo yay I guess
Aight I'm out for a while till football starts and I drown my sorrows
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I would love nothing more than to remain in the dark as to how you arrived at the conclusions that you arrived at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Unfortunately due diligence requires me to ask you for clarification
moodQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
but what if your team wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Tbh I'm kinda on hold until the Pizza thing resolves.
Ok follow me: if I am in your shoes and I am town, then last night the person most vocally townreading me got killed and today several people start voicing scumreads on me. I think at least some of those scumreaders are actually wolves trying to push me, and it very possible that that's one of the reasons the person vocally townreading me got offed. So when I am explicitly asked about why he might have been the NK, I'm going to bring that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
You did not. You laid out the entire theory of how maybe Spooge was clearing people wolves want dead, but without mentioning yourself as a possibility. I find that scummy, because it looks like you're waiting for someone else to mention it.
If it was a fake claim I called it in my private thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The rams? Win? In the 2022 season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
interesting theory, I might have to use that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
straight up it never occurred to me to try to take that path/make that argument. I knew I had some votes yesterday, didn't much care about them, so didn't think about trying to use luv to bolster my own position.
spicy though, thanks for future ideas
Where's your team spirit? GO RAMS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
also gn was fun getting tricked can't wait to see the conclusions :2thumbsup:
was pizza's thing fake?
actually kind of surprised he didnt detonate on me
Umm.... what if I want the rams to do poorly so the pick we got from them is better? asking for a friendQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
HeyQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Go rams AND lions
If it's fake I'm annoyed that he's basically held the game hostage since post 1Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
just seems like it's been a while since he posted itQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
why would pizza do that given his gameplan? he wanted to kill in the Logic wagonQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
he was voting me most of the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
I can get behind this for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I wish y'all had had a better season, grateful you guys helped Stafford get a ring
Well
What now
we wait till Raskol wakes up and processes things I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Vulgard flips W/v where you at
if he flips W we look at how he read people and the reasons he gave for doing so. Likewise for V though with a V flip all we can truthfully say is that vulgard believed in his reads. If he flips W though we can look to see why he had those reads and who they may have benefited (or hurt)Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I don't think vulgard flips in a way that is meaningful to my reads at this point.
if vulgard flips w, it clears pizza (not to mention having a wolf desperado is shitty)Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
if vulgard flips v, i dont think it changes much for me
Visor what do you think of Kage?
His posts kinda sketched me out, felt a little like rusty wolf lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
https://i.imgur.com/or0iEuN.png
Please continue to solve the game.
I don't actually do the bold red and say detonate to activate my power.
I haven't activated it yet.
1. I haven't had time to slow read the whole game, iso everyone, and make leans.
2. There was a whole day remaining and I wasn't under a deadline where I had to shoot. I could shoot one minute before end of day if I wanted to.
3. I wanted to see how Vulgard reacted, and everyone else.
You know, like when you're a cop, you hardclaim it, you have a real red peek on someone, you find their wolf buddy, you fake redpeek that person for reactions, and then when they shut down they're outed, and you found 2 wolves instead of one?
Like how Coolkid won season 2 champs finale, like I talk about in my Guide as an example of good PR usage?
Yeah.
Boom hasn't gone off yet because I wanted a few hours of data based on no boom going off but you think it did.
And when I go boom, I don't die unless the target is town.
When I go boom, my target dies and I don't if my target is scum.
In either case, I mail my extra desperado to someone and only they get to know who it is.
They use it on Day Three. I become a vanilla townie after that in either case, and I direct the doctor to protect them if I am alive to do so.
Simple simple.
Now that I have nothing to do for 4 hours, I am reading the game and will actually have reads and leans and shit before I pop off.
sigh
give me the goddamn desperado atpg
Tell me who you want shot and why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
noQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
im a wildcard
i just want the shot so either i die a villain or live a hero
you just need to trust inthe heart of the cards that im a villager
cmon yugi-boy
If you want the shot, and I haven't shot it yet, then you can say things like "Shoot Ampharos" or "Shoot Bladescape" like you did just after you thought I had to stop posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I am working on the read on you, I'm slow reading/rereading the game and I'm only 400 posts in.
im only up for like 30 minutes more max
so if u have questions nows the time
Nice. Seems like a lot of folks I know from the olden days settled down and made copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
AKA replacement players for when we all get forcibly subbed out forever.
Here is your question, I meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Whats stopping you from repeating the names from earlier, bub?
Tsk tsk tsk should have shot ender or Amy so that we can proceed, as if you couldn't yeet those names.
THE RAMS WON LOL
GO RAMSSSSSSSSSSs
holistically i tink u should shoot one of ender or amy cause thats what we're all talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
heartwise, fuck consensus and just dome the person u believe in ur heart flips wolf
Given a choice I'd say Amy > Visor > Monty as my preferred shot choices.
im too cute to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Tru.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
But also it'll be more tragic if we kill you.
No smhQuote:
Originally Posted by Ampharos
It was one of your points tbh
I dislike it that you try to make it into a semantics "nitpick" when I am opposing a world view you presented tbh
Unlikely to want to shoot Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Because between that point and later on when I made that comment, the wolfy behavior I talked about happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boquise
ngl this is kinda townieQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
vote: boq
come do something interesting
also dya is still on my chopping block today. Visor, Taffy, Ender, Cape, Csargo all probably not.
@Boquise do you have outstanding questions for me from d1 I didnt answer?
Keep getting bleepin distracted from reading due to real life.
I know youve got d2 questions i didnt get to.
That's gonna cost you some scumpoints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
I'm afraid you have zero, sir. Zero scumpoints.
Loops back to this point again. I might have finally got back to where I started reading the game again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
@Cape90 show meQuote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
Which game?
ATPG do you have thoughts on Kage or have you read anything they've posted?
I believe Taffy spewed themselves not wolf in this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Taffy not connected to any wolf who talks about me in wolf chat, basically, and there's like a zero percent chance that it is deliberately designed to appear that way.
I am reading the whole game slowly, as you can see from the posts I am quoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
By the most recent posted quote, Kage hadn't done anything wolfy, and hadn't posted a whole lot.
Rusty or not, Kage was a good wolf when he played. Not unfindable. I call him sexy Kagemusha for a reason, and it's from a game I found him.
I have 7 townies right now not including myself.
I am including kage in that list until I can find evidence he's woofin it or partnered or agendaed or scummy in any way.
You've never played with me, so that's not what I am doing but that's probably what it looks like from the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
The reads are in flux but compare it to a chess analysis engine which is very, very old and very very slow, so it's behaving like a human grandmaster instead of rapidly coming to the maximum correct move.
It sees a position it thinks is strong, suggests moves that lead to it... and then when it sees refutations by the opponent, decides that position is no good, tries a different position to see if that one is stronger, and continues doing that at the speed of a snail trying to make its way through molasses, until it decides this position also sucks, but on the third or fourth attempt at finding a good move, it sees a strong position that more likely finds wolves.
However, it still doesn't see the mate. It usually doesn't see the mate until near LYLO.
Chessmaster 3000 era chess engine, on the oldest possible processor it can run on, and that's me analyzing games.
Takes me literal days or weeks to decide the endgame wolf is a wolf, and to find certain townies as town also takes days sometimes.
When I post my reads and it looks wacko because the towncore is moving down and the scum suspects are moving up in a manner no one else understands because no one follows a dozen solving processes one after the other on every player slowly until the game is solved.
The analysis engine gets more and more accurate (usually) the more it cogitates but the first few attempts at analysis almost always suck and need to be checked carefully for any part of it that was actually true, before moving on to a better move and solve attempt.
Don't want to say, accuse 4 names, hit 2 correctly, then abandon those 2 names because you decided to townread the other two names.
Any accurate reads at all during even the shitty party of analysis, if valid, should be carried over to the next solve attempt, a piece at a time.
Sometimes it takes three, four, or five solve attempts to get to one where, after exhaustive analysis, it can be determined that someone who was townread in the past four analyses actually shouldn't be towncore because I've found too many other townies elsewhere I believe in more, and I found wolves that are likely to be paired with them, and I can see the wolf plan more clearly.
Thats why the names bounce all around yet it looks like I was confident the whole time and then increasingly so, while throwing out tons of reads.
I'm confident even on the first pass I'll find a good solid four townies or so, easy.
Making a true masonry of four is already a massive upset to the game balance. Even if the rest of my reads suck, if those townreads are good, it doesn't matter that the first pass, first analysis, first suspicion scattershot, first attempt at building a wolfcore, was terribad.
Doesn't matter, because if those townreads carry over to the second scattershot and analysis and they were right, then it makes the second attempt more accurate.
That's why you see lots of names bounce around at first, then settle into positions, then more settle, then very few bounce around, then I'm moving one name around the list at a time, not more than one.
One person I suspect, who then gets killed or townread and put at the top of the pile, pushing everyone down.
That's the process.
The more I analyze, the fewer names are in motion or the reads dependent on how other people flip, and fewer universes remain, and fewer possible scum teams.
That's why it's like the lotto balls. The thing is just a jumble of nonsense at first, then a number comes out and stays put. One by one, numbers come out and stay put, until you get the daily lotto numbers.
It's an analogy but I'm not making the reads for the reactions, the reactions are making the reads, and the questioning and pushing and interactions create the reactions.
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Originally Posted by Vulgard
All of this is extremely wolfy and I think because the man is capable of posting what reads like pureness from his heart for a post or two at a time (thus making him a good wolf) the entire rest of his iso is stuff like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
Attacking townies in the ways wolves attack townies.
His reads are pro wolf and his arguments are wolfy and the way people are defending him is wolfy.
I want him flipped today.
A few posts of emotional soul baring is not hard to fake at all for a good wolf.
Having an iso devoid of wolfing is hard to fake. A lot of people in this game have one of those.
It is mechanically impossible for there to be third parties in this game due to my role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
@Cape90 and everyone else.
Because if I shoot someone and they're not townie or mafia, what happens to me?
Proof we're in a binary universe, as soon as I shoot a wolf, or I die today. You can cross that off the possibilities list.
Read between Ender and Vulgard.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
And sure, Spooge was town and Amy is probs town.
I dig it, dead man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I'll be with you shortly if not.
I especially dig this, dead man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
Alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I see it.
Visor's on the wolf team, probably with Vulgard and Enderwiggin but not Amy.
This post is too (negative adjective) to be a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ampharos
This does not help Amy get townread or advance the wolf team win condition.
I'm trying to be critical without being personal. This post is bad for both alignments, but it's also more likely to come from the town alignment of no TMI about Logic.
Wrong but believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ampharos
This kind of level zero read on the game state just happened from an accomplished wolf in another game.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Seeing it from people I respect and know better than to do as town is bothersome and it should only come from wolf!them.
This ignores all possibilities of bussing on day one, which in a game with four wolves, is viable. It's rarely viable at lower numbers, and if wolves have a PR it can spew one of them town long enough to, say role cop or vanillize or roleblock or whatnot.
So previous post calls a townie a wolf, then gives reasons to be wary, and in the very next post does the wolfy "feels off".Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
This is the wolfy way wolfy wolves attack villagers they can attack. Period.
The wolfy lol in the correct scummy context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
......U SUX?Quote:
Originally Posted by luvs2spooge