Casual december game

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

I think he is faking his reads or overstating them and I think that's more wolfy for Pizza than not. I find his town game contains more moments of clear lack of TMI and his scumgame is just a giant purpose designed mindfuck.

It doesn't matter whether he's faking the reads. His initial read on Ender was premature and almost everything he has brought up is NAI for Ender. But it's early game. Ime Asks juggles people in and out of POE/towncore continuously, just to see how they (and the other players) respond. Rinse, repeat until all the pieces fit.

It's a process very similar to coldreading; you start with something that's just statistically likely and the reactions you get from your audience lead you to the correct answer.

If we're all sussing Pizza we can all agree to yeet him so he doesn't have to face the pain of getting nightkilled if town.

I am not sussing him at this point, but even if I were I think this is a terrible idea, it doesn't matter what order we yeet the wolves in, so on the off chance you're wrong and he's town you should try to find the others first.

[Totally not Taffy]

There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.

So I thought this entire time that your "but why hasn't Asks noticed this" read was not about Logic but about this one. I think time's up btw.

[Totally not Taffy]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

[Totally not Taffy]

@Cape90 Are you the same Cape who was in FAM2 and are you Donut Boy in turbos?

[Vulgard]

Speaking of my reads, I ought to compile them.

I have dya V for her approach to my slot and to the game in general, they're just chillin'. This is the type of read I'm somewhat likely to be wrong about, so I don't want to attribute too much weight to it, but I feel good enough about dya for now.

I also felt good about Csargo when he was posting. The read on him is dropping a bit because of recency bias, but it's still there.

I had a dumb read on Visor/ladd that they were V/V for ladd explaining his wolfread on Logic in a very memeworthy way and Visor V reading him for it immediately, then them entering banter. I felt like that was the type of thing villagers do with each other as they find each other but neither feels like making a show of it.

Ender/Amy/ATPG is a weird group that contains a wolf IMO. I currently think the wolf is most likely ATPG, but I also think that ATPG is the most isolated-in-thread of these players, and I want to respect his reads a bit, which is why the two people he sussed the most openly are also in this grouping. Basically, he's either a wolf pushing town (Ender and Amy) or he's right on at least one of them is the way I see the situation. Not exactly helpful to see it this way because it doesn't allow determining which one to vote, but it does narrow down the focus a bit, I suppose. I currently think ATPG is the wolfiest, but I have some concerns about this belief considering how big of a role he's played so far and how few people have actually talked about him in a meaningful way. Though on the other hand I don't know if him not being talked about in a meaningful way by most players (by meaningful, I mean with actual conclusions in regard to his alignment) makes him town, it could just make him a wolf lol (imagine knowing and applying consistent principles for catching wolves). Kinda tempted to move my vote there, but. Fwiw, if ATPG flips mafia, I would strongly consider clearing Ender and Amy, even though ATPG said he was more than happy to leave distancing spew. And if one of Ender/Amy flips mafia, probably give ATPG some time and see if he dies for it (because by his own admission, he should).

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

[Vulgard]

Everyone else can be assumed to be null.

[Vulgard]

Oh yeah, spooge is a really whatever slot I wouldn't mind yeeting and which I feel has a pretty decent chance of actually flipping wolf. Might go there if we don't go Logic.

[Vulgard]

Oh yeah, spooge is a really whatever slot I wouldn't mind yeeting and which I feel has a pretty decent chance of actually flipping wolf. Might go there if we don't go Logic.

Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.

[Vulgard]

Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.

Also Logic/Vulgard/ATPG feels like the exact group of susses to cover one's bases in this gamestate but doesn't really make sense to me as simultaneous thoughts, which is why I'm requesting an explanation.

[Totally not Taffy]

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

[Vulgard]

Taffy, I read your post and I've never seen that take before. I think I like it, I'm just typically incapable of not feeling rather guilty for poor play and I always feel the need to be apologetic even if the other players wouldn't genuinely dislike me or anything for how I played. Therefore I try not to make bad plays in the first place, and you can see how that turns into a cycle of not wanting to mess up and consequently never wanting to be too confident.

You're right on the money, though, if I had a sick towngame then I guess my wolfgame would suffer, haha. I appreciate the encouragement, and yeah, I'm trying not to be a potato and actually give reads. Hopefully they're better than my last ones, lol.

[Vulgard]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

Are you dissatisfied with the main suspicions being thrown around?

[Ampharos]

I'm trying not to be a potato and actually give reads

couldn't be me

[Ampharos]

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

independent of gamestate, what's your read on logic

[Cape90]

@Cape90 Are you the same Cape who was in FAM2 and are you Donut Boy in turbos?

Yes and yes. Literally both.

I remember you, I very much wolfread you in FAM2 lol

[Cape90]

I think I was extremely towny in FAM 2 but dead cop obviously had red check on me

i mean day 2 of that game was a mess in general

[Cape90]

Taffy to me reads as town though this game, but I wasn't too sure until 511 but because of that, it is just a lean

[Cape90]

It's ok just rand with me and keep me alive. I have a 100% winrate for regular games where I'm alive D2, despite being decidedly incompetent most of the time. And if we lose you can say you were part of breaking that streak, which is perhaps even more satisfying!



...now as soon as Ender is done laughing and picks himself up off the floor he can tell you the numbers behind that percentage

maybe for this too since it is a bit on the nose if Taffy is wolf, unless there are 3ps this game

[hollowkatt]

Town

Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos

Little Bit Towny

Mont
Visor
Blade

Meh

Sorta Wolfy

Taffy

Quite Wolfy

Logic
Pizza
Vulgard

I have read all the posts, these are my reads. Goodbye.

why

[Csargo]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

I can get behind this.

Vote:Hollowkatt

[hollowkatt]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

disappeared, yeah...

went to sleep, woke up at 9am late for a meeting. meeting till 11am
ran errands from 11:30 to 1pm
continued my work day till 5:30pm, had a few projects to deploy today.
went to dinner with the family, came home, put kiddo to bed (it's a process lol)
played some video games.

now I'm here.
Next time I'll be sure to not have a real life going on so that I don't "disappear".

Also luv2 is a wolf.

vote: luv2spooge

[hollowkatt]

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

the thing about pizza I'm noticing in this game is he is almost entirely relying on mafia theory rather than exploring why players have said the things they've said. For example when he suses Ampharos it's about "wolfy phrasing" not necessarily about what Ampharos was talking about.

Likewise with Ender it is more about "what would a wolf do in this situation" not "why is Ender doing what he is doing" and on D1 that's not a super bad approach to the game. Aim a wide net and hope to catch something in it. As the game progresses though it starts to lose effectiveness.

I think Pizza can do this as town or wolf and unfortunately there aren't really context clues to indicate which team he's playing for. If he's town the wolves are likely laying low, trying to skate through today and working on a plan to eliminate him at night.

If he's a wolf the rest of the wolves are staying out of his way and letting him run the show. I think the best I'm going to do is judge him on results. Where does he vote, how do the wagons he's on flip, how do the wagons he is not on, or not interested in flip, that kind of thing.

[hollowkatt]

Enderwiggin immediately getting flustered over mild early game wolf reads, Vulgard doing the same on even less pressure, Amy doing half the passive aggressive wolf tells, and spooge having no process on their leans list with Amy as a top townie.

Followed by most of the day being wolfy banter between most of these, leads me to believe there are multiple wolves engaged in the Defense strategy contained within these names.

I'm gonna be the guy who asks: what wolfy banter, and if they're already playing defense isn't the game basically about "sheep pizza, win"? because I'm leery that it can possibly be that easy.

[hollowkatt]

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

can you walk me through how you get there?

[hollowkatt]

anyways goodnight, I'm about to disappear again

[Logic]

I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

[Logic]

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

This reads to me like a wolfy "don't rock the boat and yeet a villager that no one will be upset to lose.

[Logic]

This reads to me like a wolfy "don't rock the boat and yeet a villager that no one will be upset to lose.

As in, "I have no provided no read on Logic myself, but I want to be able to rescind something of the wind starts blowing the other way

FoS: Vulgard

[Logic]

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

I find this post important.

I'm not sure what alignment it points taffy towards, but I strongly think this will be clearing or damning in the future

[Csargo]

I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

I could see dya, don't get visor tho. I don't know anything about town dya though, I don't think