I do agree. (he is a villager)Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I reread his villaging guide this afternoon before isoing lol. But I'd rather him come here and solve the game for us tbh
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I do agree. (he is a villager)Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I reread his villaging guide this afternoon before isoing lol. But I'd rather him come here and solve the game for us tbh
I can, and I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
very very likely just a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
afaik he tends to lean heavily into powerwolfing so i'd be very surprised if he guns for a wolf mate d1 and especially the way he did
obv reeval at like, f5 or smth if it comes to it
https://i.imgur.com/r0qjTBy.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I had him as town and I just don't feel like he'd agree with defending me if he were wolf here. He's already shown penchant to use my own gaffes against me when I'm town (See literally last game on this forum.)Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
That being said, I am not super familiar with Ladd so can't really guarantee any of that.
do you think any of this line actually matters?Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
That I do not no. Remind me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
is this hubris bait? because I have a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
No, I don't think Raskol is a bad player at all, I highly respect his skills on both sides of the alignment aisle. I also think if I couldn't hang with a player list like this I would not have signed up.
but you're syn not boq who is secretly dale cooper in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
it was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
I’ll just say that the people who know me here know me pretty well (ladd, dya, visor, Yolo) and I don’t feel like any of them have an ounce of sus on me so take that fwiw. That might be revised and they can all feel free to clarify.
Sure pal. But do not forget to address the part where I am explaining why this is particularly for you to post that. Rn, in this game. :curtain:Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
we are ships passing in the night through thick fog and no signal lights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
actually I think I would prefer each of you give a detailed reason why you don't seem to sus me, pls.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
that's a different argument thoQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
I didn't argue your skill level, I argued against the claim that raskol is just some ineffectual chump who has no chance of influencing the game state in a way that threatens the wolves
you have enough experience and context to know that isn't true by any stretch
unless you made a TMI slip
@ ender
Can you link/tldr the Syn case? Catching up now but while you're around
Wolfed with him a while ago, seems to have a DGAF vibe to his posts here that he didn't there which I'm inclined to think is real as I'm reading back
I would not use that game as a barometer for my wolfing. it was on an alt for a reason tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
For own use
1. baudib1
2. Dyachei
3. EnderWiggin
4. Ephemeral
5. Hollowkatt
6. Ladd
8. Raskolnikov
9. Syn
10. Visor
11. Yoloswag
Just saw the live pl
Yeah okay this game is going to be a slog 💀
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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.
The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
"he's being lazy and coasting on a hyper tunnel of me"Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Can't believe we lost because that dumbass stopped my vigQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I am going to win this one in its stead
WHyQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.
Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time
Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)
Rask - ladd peaked 100%
Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%
ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%
dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%
Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%
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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%
YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)
Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%
EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.
He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%
it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified geniusQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
if he flips green though, everyone makes mistakes uwuQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
FTR, I just realized it came off this way, but I do not normally tend to overly SR people who sus me.
Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.
Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.
These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.
None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.
idk man it kinda feels like you're doing this on purposeQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
you have read the OP didn't you?
Logic was poisoned by town, like......Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
derp-clear denied
nah it's more like I have an overabundance of villager entitlement. He can have his read but it's just not going to impact my view of you at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Yeah nvm the derps. HK, who are the wolf I am not threatening (outside baudib)? Is this you outing a real sus?
*is. For real I despise my phone and my English level
Baudib, this is where I am roughly. Outside Ender who I found more selfaware/pockety each time I ve seen him wolfing.
Disclaimer: punting Visor will be a slog so I am keeping this for eod. No need to go through it for 48 hours
is this referring to my readslist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I read it overQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I dunno, I was kinda finding his pushing of you/dyachei villagery in possibly a contrarian villager way, as some people were dialoguing about how you might be a villager after you got some pushback to start then Syn just comes in like nah fuck that + the dyachei sus
It's not a ride or die read but ya thinking aloud about the mindset here
U remind me Id like to read Syn about that Dya read. What did start it? Is is still a thing etc etc
Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I guess my lukewarm take is that I will acknowledge that the NKs are off obvious paths but these were players who are pretty unyeetable as town.
And there’s a player at the bottom of my tiered list who is really into talking about the NKs and why they’re incriminating for towncore.
And that’s while acknowledging that I feel I could very well be wrong somewhere in my upper echelon.
For a slightly hotter take, the people pushing me are people who don’t know me and don’t know how unyeetable I am - I’m miskilled maybe 1 in 30 games. So if taking the hard to yeet players off the table is the wolf strategy it points to people who don’t know me.
What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself
Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:
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Originally Posted by pzelda
it?s within the realm of possibility and this is 2023, everyone is into elite anti-spew/distancing lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I?m pretty much a ?just lunch the wolfy people guy.?
On a theoretical level I think 3-wolf teams require some occasionally odd partner interaction lines. (I think Iaafr made this point in our game vs BATMan/Empoof etc)
i never commented further on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
it was a salty d1 kneejerk read in response to dya absolutely HOSING me in humiliating fashion on the syndicate a while ago, and their posting being similar to that game
i mean I'm not impressed with their posting here, but it's more of an eh read than a strong read
I'm not sure I want them as a wagon anymore
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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
Yes, I feel I’ve been lazyish this game but ahem…Also I’m stoked right now because this game feels like a challenge and I want to run fking train on some wolves now.
I just wanted to get a snapshot of my thoughts out there.
Me, you and dya are yeeting Ender, ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Yolo - I actually don’t remember the manner in which you village too well. But I want to reiterate what should be obvious - the words of a wolf who was literally dead on arrival should mostly be ignored. I’ll trust dyachei’s spew reading and basically no one else’s.
Also YOLO - I just left you as incomplete and I’m subject to being easily whelmed by your charisma and sick beats. Hit me up with a non-lazy read on me if you will.
I mean if he was dead on arrival -- which I agree with -- it seems you're placing a lot of weight and emphasis on V reading people largely just for burying himQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
FWIW I would have bussed pzelda after his first post and think a lot of people would have, easy gamestate read ['this dude won't make it past D1/D2'] on which to move for any decent wolf
Don't mean to be overly nitpicky but am just wanting open-mindedness in the thread rn instead of shrugyeeting HK/Ender into D5
75% of the posts since I made that case have been either:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
1. Nothingburgers
2. "Man, this Ender guy sure is wolfy"
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Wolfy-self awareness?
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Originally Posted by Ephemeral
tbh no I don't read OPsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
This is kinda reductive explanation of my play and ignores literally all the takes that I have that aren't "HK town" and spew reads.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Which is most of them. They also aren't meta reads. Or NK analysis. My townread on Ladd was kinda a meta read okay I'll give you that.
But my Syn wolf thoughts? None of the above.
My Raskol Townread? None of the above.
Legitimately tell me you haven't read half my posts without saying you haven't read half my posts.
definitely makes me look dumber than I am tho, maybe I shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Fair enough. It’s probably the thing that’s mostly clearing for Rask/ladd/Visor who I have as V reads by play/posting independently. I’m sure you saw my post where I wanted to hardclear you for a mediocre reason but that game stats feels like a long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I don’t expect any shrug yeets to exist in this game anymore, this is fargin’ war.
Apparently, no one is seeing what I did and I'm not sure if it's me being dumb or an Ai.mi moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
I'll do my Baudib stuff later and then after that I'll take a look at the game and assume Syn is town and see what that looks like. Nyeh.
Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?
Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.
Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.
My point was I had that townread before everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
The big ass townread on Rask is why I sat my ass down and ended up voting Pzelda.
Re: No one else talking about how weird the night kills are.
Who the fuck cares.
I'm not going into thread and looking around and seeing if anyone else is caring about the night kills.
I do.
Because in champs I got away with literally killing every person who sussed me in G1 to win as wolf almost in cruising fashion with DK. And no one questioned it.
I was towncored but didn't die. And no one questioned it.
Yes. NKA is wifom and wolves play the gamut of how much people care about it, and I'll definitely admit I can be tricked by it. But also ignoring it can be straight up letting wolves silence people they don't want talking for any reason.
https://i.imgflip.com/7a81ga.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Hello wifom my old friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I've come to talk to you again.
Ok I am a softie and am willing to give you like a 20% derp-clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Ngl this feels like a wolf!Baudib trying to bait me into keeping my focus on Syn linked to him where Syn is actually town and I'm being a chump you're using.
Cause this whole interaction feels entirely bait-y and that just doesn't make sense if Syn/You are actually the wolves.
I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hillQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.
I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster
I know you're being trolly but Ender very strong villager, we just got done a game where he had some fire readsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Oh hey, Yolo can even verify I actually make NKA as town cause I literally just did that.
And Ladd can too but idk if he paid attention to the game after his death.
no, you used that reply the last time someone asked youQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh
Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.
Ohp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Welp I feel dumb.
It’s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it’s probably 90%+ my fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you’re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.
I’ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.
And sure there’s confbias in what I’m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about “towncore” to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we’re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.
Can you detail/link reasoning on any V read outside of Rask/dya plzQuote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
with how many times he's done it this game, that puts him at something like 80% derp clearQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Would be really sad if I follow "Towncore is infiltrated" with "But Ladd is still probably a villager" wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib1
Oh wait.
You’re the player in this game who probably has the best feel for what wolf!Baud does do maybe you can tell the crowd that.Quote:
Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG
why does this make you wolf-read Eph but town-read me?Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowkatt
Like if you think I'm trying to vague people into sussing someone generally read town it 100% isn't Ladd because I'll defend him for now. I have reasons too. They are a little meta though so it doesn't escape your horrible explanation of me doing "weird meta reads".
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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Right. So this is where I will need you to detail who you think the weird Nks point to that aren’t ladd. I am fully capable of making weird kills for specific reasons but not these (Yolo might weigh in here).
visor said it first. get your ownQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin