Time for me to feel bad about being perfectly willing to D1 people I think are cool. =P
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Time for me to feel bad about being perfectly willing to D1 people I think are cool. =P
Also kinda aware I'm washing through this day in a really wishy-washy manner. IRL migraines + other things are making it difficult to find any time to have brainspace to care about the game.
Feel free to ask me questions because without questions I'm probably just going to shitpost til eod at the current rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c-RbGZBnBI
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1442
meh i do read some of maples posts and i wonder wtf they would be doing if theyre a wolf, cos w!maple knows this type of stuff isnt gonna convince anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Maple
and maple can wolf really well if they wanna, so i get the argument that if maple were a wolf maybe they would play this differently
but eh it doubles up for them being town too lol
like if theyre town i highly value their town game too, so i need to ask if maple is town then what are they doing because i dont get it either
namely, they bring up d1 they have found their role in mafia to be somewhat of a mediator when they rand town, trying to keep town on their tracks and preventing people from fighting (im going off memory i could be misrepping here). but then yesterday would have been a prime situation for maple to put that into action when they found arctic towny and i assume trd ben, i dont recall if they really did anything to stop town from going downhill yesterday.
and my mental model of manti is someone whose really great at mech.
some of their posts here remind me of hsr where they were kinda free and reckless in their posting, which is an argument for v!maple. but also when maple fakeclaimed my role in hsr i could completely understand the logic behind it and they were towny outside of that too, which is why i let them claim my role (iirc someone sus was bombed and i imagine manti claimed my role to try and bait them into bombinb manti if mafia had bomb, and if not it would bait the nk) manti didnt express any of this but it felt clear to me
on the converse, whenever theyre a wolf and claim something i always find their claims confusing and somwhat -ev and have usually mentioned so in those games. over here it leans more to that because i really do think if i was in mantis shoes i never would have claimed that i gave out a track, it diminishes the value of the track entirely once people know its out. and the way manti played around it almost felt like they always planned on claiming that day (ie they softed the track in their first post and claimed far away from eod). so yeah idk not a fan of they played around the track stuff
i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.
Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.
id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple
Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right
vote: ender
godspeed
I'm sad that you apparently rate me lower than someone who "Feels 'fine'? 'towny'?"Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
If you sus wolf kp what did you think about Ladd implying that I would have to be right about Lissa/Maple exactly in a POE of 3 when we theoretically have 5 days without kp?
sorry it has been a rather trying couple of days, unfortunate timing
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100% lolQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
ultimately i just still feel like you have been off this game at a lot of points and there is a lot of other people i think are villagers and while you've made villagery posts at points it isn't enough in comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
it should be fairly obvious why i voted rask ftrQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
i strongly didn't think taffy should go over and i wanted to make sure that didn't happen
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gonna look over some stuff now, ladd, visor, ender mainly are my big prios i think
Why were you so strongly trying to protect taffy? Why not just vote Arctic then if u wanted to save taffy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
the like way ladd focused on stett early d1 and the stuff he really focused on definitely weirds me out a bit, feels really level 1 for him?
cause i just thought it was always incorrect to kill the pr claim thereQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
i WAS VOTING ARCTIC for the whole rest of the eod???!?! but ender moved off so arctic clearly wasn't going over and it was 4:3 raskol:taffy so it seemed strictly correct fmpov to move to make extra sure the person i thought it was strictly incorrect always to kill there didn't go over?? i do not understand how you are asking me this, i moved after the arctic wagon was effectively dead, genuinely have you actually looked at what i did within the context of how the wagons moved at eod
i've also... said why i thought it was super incorrect to kill taffy there like 50 times lol? and like it isn't exactly a complicated reason
ladd clearing dya for the one post as hard as he did was def kinda villagery though
Lissa wolf
Maybe, who’s the partner? I assume you were leaning Ben based on yesterday but imo she’s too tied to Ben to be partners lol, if she’s a wolf she’s probably trying to take Ben down with her by looking pairedQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Yeah but we killed a pr claim yesterday and he was so towny prior to it, what’s the difference there for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
man ladd's handling of dya is villagery just in general/continuingly too actually. hm
BennehQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
The
you cannot possibly be trying to tell me that those are comparable situations at allQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
come the f on my dude
there is a massive difference between eliminating a pr claim on d1 without any further information, and eliminating a pr claim on d2 in a situation where there was a strong reason to think that the claim comes from a wolf (also i disagree that he was THAT towny before but it's kind of beside the point frankly) like i thought he had basically outed himself
i OBVIOUSLY do not think you just never eliminate anyone who claimed pr
why on earth are you acting like these are anywhere near the same thing
i'm sorry i'm wasting a post on this, but i think its important so i'm going to unvote and let yall decide since i wont be able to join in on eod
this wording is very specific and interesting and the feedback adds to that. what are the chances we actually have a lost wolf and we are looking at 3 wolves left?Quote:
Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb.
IF THEY ARE the same alignment as you ++ you are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. why wouldn't it just say "If you target a wolf?" Why would they need to be told they successfully defused a bomb? if they are targeting a wolf they would just know that wolf is cleaned regardless of whether they were doused before or not.
This can't just be for information idt?
we are in a 15er so a 3rd party makes sense. a 4th pack wolf doesn't make sense, that's too OP, but a lost wolf potentially could, especially in a game with what seems to be limited KP?
i realize this is is overly batshit insane potentially and i might be overcooking the fuck out of something, but why can't this actually be true?
im sorry i'm wasting my 50th post on some potentially dumb theory but i literally haven't been able to sleep trying to sort this game out cause it just doesn't make fuckin sense given the mech we know, who the villagey posters are, and what the given poe is and whre ppl are pushin. what other power could wolves have in this game if we town has 2 protectors, an inventor with tracks and jailkeeps, and a fuckin arsonist,and an extra miselim over the standard 25% ratio? how could wolves overcome 4 PRs with an inventor and (seemingly) only town/3p KP with 2 other PRs (ignore that we miskilled one hehe :))? and we have not seen that power in the form of killpower or anything else (beyond what we can assume is truthful from manti and at worst =EV if he's wolf and has to hand out disloyal inventions)
feel free to ignore me but i legit think this is probably correct. why the fuck else would that role be worded that way
I don't know that this theory being true makes it so we need to adjust the poe as a result of it. i ... dk.
even if we had confirmation this was correct, i don't even know how this shakes up the POE or if it even should?
im capped, call me an idiot i guess. call me wolfy for postcapping and not being able to give a vote at eod. i just kinda feel like this thought is more important than my singular vote atp. sorry i'm useless this game and post-happyi just wouldnt be able to forgive myself if this tinfoil was on the right track and i had the thought and i didn't get it out
if this theory is true we are in an 8:3 world so my unvote shouldn't be too costly. sorry if i fucked up.
unvote: ender
i legit don't really have enough brain cells rn to properly think about that theory to be honest
it seems possible
visor thinking me and benneh are the wolves is like
idk man that is a wild theory lol
eod1 just doesnt play out like that in that world ever
and benneh is like actually ludicrously villagery
i don't... really understand why he takes that angle as a wolf though
there is plenty of relatively more reasonable angles from the position he is in
I just don't believe either benneh or Lissa as villagers would be so incredibly uncharitable to arctic y'day
Play out like what? Neither of you actively voted rask until he was a three person leading wagonQuote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
He was already dead at that point, you just pushed him off the cliff
ok so if benneh is right, we vote out taffy today, don't we? or am I misunderstanding? ben's right that there's no reason for this unless there's a lost wolf or unless the host wants the wolf team to think there's a lost wolf. Which means that either taffy is a 3p and the host had bastard elements or taffy is a lost wolf.Quote:
Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.
In which case, we really need to get a wolf today
unvote
vote: taffy
visor what are your thoughts on ben's post?
It doesn't necessarily imply the existence of a lost wolf, but I can certainly seem how that would come acrossQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
Gemma comes from DLP iirc so I have just been assuming three wolves left anyway
Thinking on it some more the argument is a little convincing
Hmm.....
Quoting for fullQuote:
Originally Posted by Gemma
Part of the problem is the self target aspect but
There's a good point, why would you be told when you successfully defuse a bomb unless you use it to try find wolves?
I'm not sure if this makes taffy a wolf though?
Well the way I see it is there was infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
The info was taffy’s posts, and people who were pushing there had issues with their posts and claim (ie ladd and Arctic). A Wolfy slot with a Wolfy claim still has wolf equity, so by those principles taffy should be vote worthy despite the claim.
That’s essentially what happened with Arctic, you viewed his posts and Wolfy and his claim as Wolfy.
The two situations are fairly similar in principle , they just happened on different days.
Wonder if maple gives out inventions and bombs lol
:wowee:Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
bro why'd u cap on it instead of diiscussing it with me when i mentioned LW like 18 hours ago
-_-
yall are gonna kill taffy. they're gonna either be lw or villy. if she's villy y'all will chain taffy into killing ben and he'll be villy. game will probs be cooked or over at that point.
if we just wanna remove the kp from the game that's fine.
I do think taffy 1. being worried visor tracked him and 2. saying if he targetted anyone last night he would have targetted me b/c "paranoia" is extraordinarily weird stuff.
if taffy's lw wolf remove maple from lim pool, and i'd still go ender before lissa.
I'm never killing ben fwiw, this isn't his wolf game.Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
Thinking about the mech though; who makes bombs? I can't remember taffy's claim in it's entirety but she claimed arsonist, which isn't a bomb mechanic, right?
Which would leave maple making bombs. If maple is the bomb maker they are almost never a wolf because wolves wouldn't need this complicated rask role
this is where I amQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I guess there is a world where the bomb planter can plant bombs to alert the lost wolf?
In this case I don't think taffy is a lost wolf I think rask is
Because he would use his role to find the wolves
But in that case I think the bomber is possibly a wolf in which case we should kill taffy?
Lol I gotta think on this
I mean I'm not against killing Taffy here because I think it's ~fairly likely she's 3p atm.
And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.
I don't understand why y'all think taffy would be lw over rask
Rask finds out if he defuses a bomb which tells him alignment, why would be need that unless he was. Lost wolf
The q is then is a wolf planting the bombs
@didistetterQuote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
I may be blanking due to my brain trying to imitate a bluescreen but I don't think you have followed up on this? Is this a good time to poke about it?
Cant believe i am saying tgis but i am against killing taffy lol
Just seems like it's a wording thing that means nothing to me shrug.jpg
Again i just wanna kill the wolfy people today, i dont think taffy has been wolfy d2/d3 and i think the chances they are just mech not a wolf are extremely high
I'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh
If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
Wolves can soft it
In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post
vote: waza
Waza/Lissa?
Oh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1
Hmmmmm
I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn
this is fair, I keep forgetting about the bomb softingQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Dya talk to me about those three plz
I think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).
that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti
Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.
Seems extremely circumnstantial to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
He said he pushed rask cause he feels he d be able to read rask reaction to pressure well which is a perfectly reasonable explanation imo?
Maple still the wolfiest poster
Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dipQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Vote:lissa
Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy
Which posts of mine aren’t great lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4kLgnFexo
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1487
im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager
Yeah that’s fairQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
The post cap is a big nerf so I don’t blame youlol. I’m not sure how to play around it, esp in a stronger lobby with good woofs
I'm not sure I like this point tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
The thread felt like it was mechanically correct to yeet Arctic. Also, Lissa has been very charitable overall, kind of struggling to find people sus and that probably led to this comfortable decision. It's a game of not knowing. I was on Arctic for the majority of the day and I had many reasons to believe he was town. The activity itself was towny. Trying to survie. Yet it felt inevitable.
I don't love this reaction to Visor voting you and pairing you with Lissa.Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
I don't want to avoid the renewed Taffy discussion. I don't consider them now. I find the post from benneh helpful, tho.
If there's a 3p or a lost wolf in this game I think its Maple. I wonder if that was what was @waza suggesting when talking about their activity in this game in comparison to their meta.
Town killing role is always swingy. Redirectors could have been meant as ics but they don't reduce the swing. That could be the role of the mafia firefighter and I think it could be intended as a possible good fake claim too. The inventor might follow their own agenda like handing out a certain amount of gifts.
I probably should think more but I also think there's at least one wolf outside of these two and that should be the focus. It's also possible that the thread feels quite towny because of the pack being just 2 wolves and a lost wolf and maybe a 3p. I doubt it, tho.
tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your biasQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
stett and ben ride or die village atp for me.
I wouldn't vote in pzelda or ladd after today's postings.
Ender is a huge blind spot to me and it's possible he's a wolf. I really have issues reading him though and have for many games. he can confirm this for you.
there has to be at least 1 wolf in manti/lissa/taffy
Around page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to
Vote: ladd
I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.
END OF D2
I don't think you can do a whole lot or that you should. I think you should just trust your posts, do your thing and let me find you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
@dyachei why lissa? I'm almost ride or die on Lissa being town.
Manti if you are a villager for the love of god please start solving
Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting meQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I'm not voting lissa currently, think I'm on Taffy.Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
I think lissa can easily be paired with manti. I thought her initial posting was good and I thought villagery but i keep running into an issue where everyone else is townier imo and her pushes haven't gotten a wolf (Unless you include rask and I don't really).
Ok, rereading d3 and I'm starting to think it might be the best to just go with Manti or Ender (or Taffy). Ladd had a good sod (and a solid second half of d2 tbh). I'm not 100% convinced but he just makes sense. I tried to avoid the default situation but after rereading and without tunneling waza it just makes sense.
I'm going with Ender for now as all of my reasons for townleaning him are kind of stupid.
Vote: EnderWiggin
So, who makes more sense as town Taffy or Maple?
I would say you have the least obvious town moments? Is this the change you were talking about few years back. I remember you wanted to make yourself less of an obvious n1 kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
What do you think about my theory from yesterday or earlier today about at least one wolf within dya/visor/waza? I guess it should be easy to spot how I got there after locking benneh and lissa towns. But thb reading your reads from earlier today made me doubt my lissa lock a little. They're good. That's why I moved again. I don't know what I want from you. Maybe finding you every day is enough, if you're town. Esp if we get to be in some kind of lylo situation.
Also, you can talk about taffy a little bit. Would you consider them without the claim?
Btw, I'm almost sheeping you on Ender. That's how thin is the margin between voting someone and finding their takes really good in this game.
Maybe I want more spice from you? But rereading the game I get there's not a lot to be found.
I think Lissa has townier posts than many other players. But I have to admit that her pushes and impact on the game are slightly lacking. That's a good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this activeQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes
To answer your question - taffy is way more likely villa than manti
In fact ill just vote:maple again lol i just dont think they are a villager, sorry if wrong
Ok, in some way it actually feels good that so many players have been able to find each other. That we have a consensus poe. It might be wrong but it's quite short (2-3 players) and it forces mafia's hand at night. So, even if both Ender and Maple were miselims, we would get closer to solving the game and boxing out the wolves.
I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active
Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes
I feel that lol
He doesn't need to set something like that up as a wolf, it's just as possible that wolf!Benneh misread the role of an afk teammate as that town!Benneh misread the role of a flipped wolf for over 48hrs. Shit happens. Surely you can find something more meaningful to read Benneh off of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Also you haven't answered my question
Taffy (15)
I think they can self target just so they can defuse themselves if they get bombedQuote:
Originally Posted by visor
I really dont think taffy makes any sense as a wolf
Idk i personally wanna vote maple
But stett is voting ender and i promised id follow them blindly
But visor thinks ender v (ngl visor/ender w/w still in the back of my mind) and wants lissa and i kinds wanna give them this lunch after how yday went
Waza killed any tinfoil i had on them. Benneh last post is so weird
I'm fine to kill ender or maple
Neither have done anything and we are gonna keep going in circles around them until they die at this point
I still think Lissa is a wolf though
vote:lissa
Alrighty
Bruh whatQuote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
My reaction to his post on me there too lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Are yalll absolutely certain we didn’t underestimate their wolf range?
I think the wolfiest thing Lissa did today is express annoyance that I didn't use my kp last night. I'm sure wolves would love to see me kill a bunch of town. But it's not exactly damning. I was going to say "if there are three wolves left then Lissa can't be one of them bc she's the only wagon" but then I realised I was discounting the attempt to wagon me. It's still not really sitting well with me tbh.
Earlier when we had Ladd/Maple I was leaning voting Ladd bc I feel like town!Ladd should care more about helping me find Dyachei. But it makes zero sense for a wolf to defend me here I mean surely they'd prefer getting me misyeeted over using a NK on me and he can just... not.
In the same vein I need to retract my townread of Ender bc the jump between these posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
feels really opportunistic. Townies shouldn't hunt for neutrals until all wolves are dead and the game doesn't end. It's not that he's buying into Benneh's tinpot theory, he knows I'm not a wolf, he just goes from "I'm not considering Taffy today" to "well I guess if you're offering who am I to resist". But it's such a self-centred read I don't like basing a vote on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
So I guess
Vote: Maple
Taffy (16)
Will try to stay awake as long as i can, but i may fall asleep anytime from now as an heads up
You should make your own vote before you go to bed and stop hiding behind Stett it's such an ostentatious way to avoid accountability yuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
Taffy (17)
unvote
vote: maple
i'm hoping to come back before EOD, but I'm pretty limited post wise anyway, I think
Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.
I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.
The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.
regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.
I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
I'm not sure what your post is about but this is more of a response to myself. No, I'm not def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya. I came around on all of you. That feels both good (my quick takes and early impressions should hold some water) and bad (a lot of work only to find you again, possibly being wrong on one of you, my impression that at least one of you should be a wolf kinda felt good). But I have good or at least reasonable reasons to tr all of you. Visor not being happy with the stale thread state among other things, you not trying to look towny, ladd having some good posts and dya just feeling right, esp when reading them live.Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Ender is an ok kill and that's why I'm voting him. I guess it's mostly for being the least towny, which isn't such a bad reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
I find waza's post about Maple being helpful. Them not being in their usual wolf or town meta might mean they're not town, but they also might not have anyone to play with. That could mean a possible lost wolf or a 3p or a small pack of two or their partner not really playing with them. Tbh I just don't see a Manti/Lissa pairing after them winning an MU game as wolves together last week.