The Casse In History

I don't think anyone apart from the Atrebates were recent invaders from the Continent; the Parisi apparently were unique in Britain for having graveyards, so they obviously had some distinctness from the Brigantes and Corieltauvi. The South had some influence from the Continent, Oppida for instance, but whether this represents widepread conquest or a military response to an attempt, we don't really know, although it's less popular as an idea than it once was. As for the Brigantes, I think what we have is a fairly long established c.600 BC political entity, with its capital at Almondbury. In the late 5th Century BC, this was destroyed and the centre of power moved north, possibly to Roulston Scar, before the Romans established a new capital at Aldborough (Isurium).

Damn foreigners! Always taking our jobs. I say we give it all back to the people who deserve it, the natives. Too bad we can´t any of them.

To tell the truth I won't (and didn't) use the word 'invader' as well. The archaeology at the village and farmstead functional type site level doesn't support the theory of huge waves of people moving at the same moment all as one. This is most pronounced in regards to the wide-spread use and long retention of the British Round House. Yet, despite the apparent English preoccupation with archaeology; comprehensive investigations similar to those conducted at Vindolanda and a few other residential sites are in point of fact actually rare.

For example, there is no evidence that the Arras Culture directly relates to the historic Parisii. In fact this material culture may just as well have been initially associated with the Brigantes. With the current state of affairs, at this point there is simply no way of knowing, as there are far too many extensive gaps in the archaeological record. By the way the founding of the Pre-Roman fortifications at Roulston Scar seems date to around the begining of Arras Culture (c. 450 BC).

CmacQ

Yep. My history of the Brigantes is only one step away from baseless speculation.

Elmetiacos
Then, what of the possible tribes or subtribes that the Brigantes controlled; the Cammboes/Camulones, Carvetes, Cataractones, Bravones, Bremetones, Eburaces, Elenacoes, Elmetiaces, Epiaces, Galactones, Isubrigantones, Latenses, Lopocares, Luguvales, Rigoes, Setantes, Tectovertes, and Vinoues? Yet, for some reason I wouldn't include the Gabrantovices on this short list.



I know Gen Appo, South Park.

CmacQ

A lot of those tribes are conjectural ones based on the names of roman towns. We know about the Carvetii/Caruetioi, the Tectoverdi/Tectouerdoi, the Setantii/Setantioi, Lopocares and the Gabrantovices from inscriptions. We can conjecture further based on Roman towns, assuming that all the towns were named after tribes (why?) and still further on modern localities which don't make sense in English, so we can add the *Lugodeges around Leeds and the *Balenas because of the Balne placenames a little further south. I suspect Elmet may have been the name of stronghold or a sacred site rather than a people. I don't believe in the Corionototae (commemorated by a Roman who said he'd beaten them) as a tribe - it's just Brythonic/Gaulish for "people's army". I've also not heard of the Epiaces, and the Rigoes sounds like an interpretation by someone who didn't realise Rigodunum was simply based on "King's Fortress".

Right,
Indeed, I made nearly all of those prestobrigantines up all by myself. And, not a single welsh y anywhere to be seen. However, I did particularly like those Rigoes, as well I toyed with Ringostar- and Donnie Rico- for a moment or two. As you'll note, in part that’s why you've spent your time posting on this and other related topics. As I've always said, easy to make up; hard to set straight. Still, I read that these Gabrantovices may be no more than a Medieval typo? Have you seen this argument?

From Ptolemy's Geography II 3.4
Γαβραντουικςν ευλιμενοv κολποv-
The Gulf of the Gabrantovices -suitable for a harbor
See Geography II 3.10

Corrected to:
Ταρραντουικου ευλιμενοv κολποv-
The Gulf of the Tarranto-/Trent -suitable for a harbor (humber estuary)

Is there another source for Gabrantovices other than Ptolemy’s single mention?


CmacQ

No, Ptolemy is the only source for that name.