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Originally Posted by Phalanx300:
Because the belgae were not divided at all, no they even were a federation!
Well the only way I knew the Nervii were a part of the Belgae was because of some Belgae units unit cards.
And the Belgae should definately be in as a whole! We can then as easilly devide up the Sweboz, Arverni and Adui as well!:sweatdrop:
Err...
No.
Hmm...
Well, Moros voted for Aquitanians/Vascones, Brigantes, Massalia, Syracuse, Boii, Kappadoika, Skordiskoi, and Qataban.... 3 more than the "correct" 5.
I thought I was onto something...
Well, bobbin said to vote for what you think to be in , that does not mean it is actually in. Moros may not be happy with some of the new factions.
Oh and, Martelus voted for Bartix...
Voted for Bartix.
If you added 'The Badgers' I would have totally voted for that. Otherwise, see the last 10 polls - these are getting quite stale, no offense.
I'm very surprised that Helveti have such a low rate and some city states are above them, because helveti played a major role in that region, they even invade Gaul...
..and they are a people not a city
Just an idea, but did anyone think of the kingdom of Aksum?
It might be an interesting african faction and a possible counterweight to
the yellow grinder.
People did think of that. But the EB Team has already announced no Axum/Meroe because of lack of culture slots and lack of evidence w.r.t. actual military prowess. (That is the unit roster wouldn't be worth the name.)
Why no, the iudaioi?:whip:
And what is the trick with Bartix:dizzy2:
Originally Posted by jazstl:
firstly, welcome to the forums, and I pray you have a good time here :bow:
Why no, the iudaioi?:whip:
now for business, and alittle light entertainment: prove to me (or EB's team) that there was a sovereign, fully independant, and free nation of jews in judea in 272BC, then maybe there will be such a faction.
oh, wait, do I hear that correctly? Judea awas under diadoch rule? oh bust!:clown:
Originally Posted by jazstl:
oh, that's an old guild meme. google it, and you'll see the thread for it.
And what is the trick with Bartix:dizzy2:
Aha, thanks,
the Iudaioi had their own crown for years(but after the 272Bc:oops:), and they represented a strong force in the hands of who hired them... so I hope to have a lot of their regional troops if the faction is not available...:yes:
Originally Posted by jazstl:
During EB's time-frame, the only independent Judean state that I can think of are the Maccabeans, who lasted less than a few decades. Herod was not independent by any means. As for regional troops, where they significantly different from other eastern soldiers?
the Iudaioi had their own crown for years(but after the 272Bc:oops:), and they represented a strong force in the hands of who hired them... so I hope to have a lot of their regional troops if the faction is not available...:yes:
I know a lot of people want to have a Judean state, but in reality they were just one of many break-away kingdoms that took advantage of the Diadochi weakness.
The AS (And maybe the ptolies) get Jewish spearmen, but that's as far as it goes, really. I can't think of any other special unit for them.
Yes,
their actions seems ridiculous if you look at the greatness of AS armies marching through their territory.
:wall:
Voted for:
Syracuse -
it is a must, but if so - then adding a province between Lilybeo and Syracuse would be really wise, as most of fights with Carthage took place for that piece of land (Heraclea, Acragas, Gela). Syracuse having border directly with Carthage like now create too much win-all-or-die unbalancing choice.
Massaesyli -
it's most doubtful choice - they seem to be virtually the same people as rival Numidian tribe, but if they need to stay playable I would desire to fight with rival Numidian for all Numidia, not less than with QartHadastim.
Ilergetes -
probably equally interresting as Arevaci, but contrary to them they are original Iberian tribe, not another Celtiberian. Otherwise, I would pick Aquitani, one of 3 big tribal groups in France (aside of Gauls and Belgae) as noted by Caesar.
Nervi - voted as for Belgae.
much desired to balance of forces in Northern continental Europe, plus interesting mixed germano-celtic culture.
Lugii -
strongly position in much of current Poland, controlling amber route, associated with Przeworsk culture dated back to 600 BC, which indicate they didn't migrate so much like Bastarne. That's why they suit better as a germanic counterbalance to Sweboz group.
Boii -
another Celtic one, but indeed much of Europe was Celtic back then. They could be good to slow down Germanic invasions in Central Europe. Otherwise I would prefer to add one more Germanic tribe from Sweboz group or Galatians.
Bosphoran -
much like Syracuse their strong position and influence justify their presence.
8th - not voted. I leave it to this mysterious eastern faction.
Originally Posted by :
Actually, they're not gonna have those in EB2 - apparently, they didn't organize Jews into their own exclusive units but scattered them around with the other Pantodapoi.
The AS (And maybe the ptolies) get Jewish spearmen, but that's as far as it goes, really. I can't think of any other special unit for them.
Another way to make the jews angry?
The Sequani, a gallic tribe, nobody has sugessted.
Originally Posted by A Very Super Market:
Slingers... But the generic hellenic slingers will do a good job representing them. Also most hellenic units with the thyreos could represent them, so I don't think specific units are really needed. But Paullus and abou might think otherwise?
The AS (And maybe the ptolies) get Jewish spearmen, but that's as far as it goes, really. I can't think of any other special unit for them.
Originally Posted by Moros:
Paulus is FC for AS now? I thought he was FC for the Getai, and Krusader was abou's counterpart...
Slingers... But the generic hellenic slingers will do a good job representing them. Also most hellenic units with the thyreos could represent them, so I don't think specific units are really needed. But Paullus and abou might think otherwise?
Is there any chance Érainn will be in there? I would love to see them in EBII.
Originally Posted by m046720:
Considering that there's barely any historical evidence, I seriously doubt that. I believe we're merely restricted to Archeological evidence, which makes it possible to concept units/regionals. But a whole faction, looks pretty hard to me. Also I don't think there is any evidence for a large leading tribe, confederation,...
Is there any chance Érainn will be in there? I would love to see them in EBII.
One thing that I've found interesting is the popularity of Syracuse, its the second most popular choice even though its highly unlikley to be a faction(i know there are people who think otherwise but i'm just going on what various team member have said over time)
Moros mentions that five of the factions in the poll are in EBII, my guess these would be the Arevaci, Boii, Bosporan Kingdom, Kingdom of Kartli and the Massaesylians.
I created this when i was drunk and now i'm improving it while I'm drunk:2thumbsup:.
Put up descriptions of each choice in the OP if anyone doesnt know what they are.
Arevaci, Nervii, Lugii, Bosphoran, Nabatea
Helveti! Or maybe not?
Sincerly yours!
Matelix
Bosporan Kingdom
Kartli
Boii
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?
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The Belgae were a confederation of many tribs. During the Gaullic War they send 300,000 to help Vercingetorix, who(s besieged in Alesia. The Suessiones (Suessions, capital Noviodunum (Soissons)) were the leader of this confederation.
Tribs of this Confederation:
The most important:
*Suessiones (Suessions)*
Capital:Noviodunum (Soissons(France))
Client:
-Meldi (Meldes; capital: Latinum / Iatinum / Fixtinum (Meaux(France))
-Silvanecti / Sulbanecti / Ulmanecti (Silvanectes; capital: Ratumagus / Ῥατóμαγος (Hermes), puis Augustomagus (Senlis(France))
-Viromandui (Viromanduens; capital: ?)
*Bellovaci (Bellovaques)*
Capital: Bratuspantium (?)
*Ambiani (Ambiens)*
Capital: Samarobriva (Amiens(France))
*Atrebates (Atrébates)*
Capital: Nemetacon (Arras(France))
*Veliocassi (Véliocasses)*
Capital: Rotomagus (Rouen(France))
*Morini (Morins)*
Capital: Taruenna (Thérouanne(France))
*Nervi (Nerviens)*
Capital: Bagacum (Bavay(France))
Client:
-Pleumoxii
-Leuaci (Lévaques)
-Centrons
-Grudii
-Geidumni (Geidumnes)
*Menapii (Ménapiens)*
Capital: Castellum menapiorum (Cassel(France))
The other:
*Atuatuci (Atuatuques)*
*Caleti (Calètes)*
*Catuslogi (Catuslogues)*
Originally Posted by fougere:
I trust a certain Mr. Julius Caesar provided you with this information? <.< >.>
During the Gaullic War they send 300,000 to help Vercingetorix, who(s besieged in Alesia.
The Belgae weren't a confederation. They are a group of tribes who are alike in culture etc,...
There were confederations of Belgae tribes and the like, but the Belgae are not and have never been a single political entity.