Healed casualties

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Originally Posted by Jerat

This works definitly in MTW2 like that

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Yes, if you win/pay ransom.

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Originally Posted by Jerat

but I also think that it is similar in Rome.

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No, not at all.

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Originally Posted by Blxz

Try losing large amounts of archers and light troops but do it late in the battle after other troops have fallen. The light troops seems to always recover, lets see if its because of a value recovery or if its because they are normally the first to fall.

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I have done exactly that. Saka Early Nobles are not "light troops", especially when compared to Saka HA and Saka FA.

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Arrows seem to equal units that recover,

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No, not to me. Why don't you do some test battles for yourself?

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Refighting the same battle a few times should sort it out.

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I have done that, haven't I?

We have much discussed this Question:

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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar

Why is it that mostly light units are healed when the player wins?

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but not this one:

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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar

Why is it that the AI mostly is able to heal 50% of its casualties after a battle?

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It seems that the AI is able to recover an unproportional amount of casualties after winning a battle. Can this be modified?

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Originally Posted by Cullhwch

Check the AIGeneral trait. I edited the hell out of mine (no more 5 minute fights against the general himself), but I believe that the AI generals get a big bonus to their BattleSurgery stat. That would explain the healing discrepancies between human and AI generals. Remove that line and everything should equalize.

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I think you read over this one...

Thanks. Now I can go make all generals recover 90% for realistic battle losses.

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Originally Posted by podoh

I think you read over this one...

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Indeed. What's the AIGeneral trait?

It's the trait that gives the AI generals ridiculous bonuses. Ever wondered why the dude whose ass you kicked 3 times has 7 stars while your continent-conquering badass only has 5? It's because of the AIGeneral trait. The AI also gives similar bonuses to its governors.

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Originally Posted by Cullhwch

It's the trait that gives the AI generals ridiculous bonuses. Ever wondered why the dude whose ass you kicked 3 times has 7 stars while your continent-conquering badass only has 5? It's because of the AIGeneral trait. The AI also gives similar bonuses to its governors.

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To be honest, the AI general deserves 7 stars if he manages to beat the player once.

Ah, that explains a lot

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Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

To be honest, the AI general deserves 7 stars if he manages to beat the player once.

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He'll get it anyway. He only needs to fight battles to increase the trait, not win them.

Thanks and many thanks to Tolheit for his excellent research. +rep, oh wait this is the org not twc. :idea2:Have a balloon:balloon2:

I had a pretty strong impression that it was the weapon type that influenced % recovery. It always seemed that the guys getting shot with arrows recovered but the guys getting javelined, speared, sworded, axed and above all lanced stayed well dead.

However this fits the pattern of most of my battlesL: missile/melee/pursuit.

I guess its not too bad, and gives one a reason for leading with elites. I suppose a drawn out battle will ahve some escalating chance of casualtuies, not just a linear increase for deaths/time, but an increase in deaths because they go untreated longer.

I can't rationalise that the earlier deaths get healed and the later ones not, except maybe the medics run out of herbs and bandages? Its not that realistic but its not too bad.

Now I just have to stop myself from exploiting my newfound gamelore.

could there maybe a difference in healing rates between custom and campaign battles?

Yeah, the difference is due to the General's BattleSurgery stat. That being said, the BattleSurgery stat seems to have an upper limit on recovery. I don't think that it'll let you recover 100% of your fallen troops no matter how high you set it. Could someone test putting a BattleSurgery stat at something ridiculous like 200?

The missile-damage units tend to recover faster, I agree, as well as with the light infantry. I have had Legionary Cohort in vanilla RTW get ahold of my Peltasts, and they recovered just about everybody. On the other had, I have had Egyptian Chariots get ahold of my archers (as Macedon) and wiped the unit out. I won, but got none of those archers back. Too bad, they were in the silver chevrons, with gold sword and shield. I have noticed I tend to get friendly fire units back if not using a fire attack if my units are light infantry. Heavy infantry seem to not get that luxury.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Given the state of battlefield surgery in Antiquity, you should be glad there are healed casualties at all.

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Not so. Battlefield deaths in EB are far higher proportionally than they were in real history. And in EB, the majority of men die while fighting. In reality, most men died after routing and being cut down while they fled.

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Originally Posted by Titus Marcellus Scato

Not so. Battlefield deaths in EB are far higher proportionally than they were in real history. And in EB, the majority of men die while fighting. In reality, most men died after routing and being cut down while they fled.

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True, although that doesn't apply here. Only the winning army gets healed casualties in the TW engine.

Just for the record: I am not sure that, in reality, the majority of men on the losing side would be killed. I guess the majority would get away safely. This was certainly true for hoplite vs. hoplite battles, where the opposing side could not mount an effective pursuit.

That isn't reflected in TW games though, because the engine can't simulate this. In TW, if the men survive, they can engage in battle the next turn. In reality, the command structure would be in disarray, the men scattered across the region and thoroughly demoralized, and resupply would be difficult just when it was needed the most.

Let's also not forget how often in the wars of the Diadochi the Macedonian phalangites wouldn't even be broken, but would surrender on the expectation they'd be hired by the winning side.