A sexual fantasy about rape is not possible, because rape per definition is sex lacking consent. It isn't rape if there is consent.
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A sexual fantasy about rape is not possible, because rape per definition is sex lacking consent. It isn't rape if there is consent.
A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I don't necessarily agree with everything in that link I posted, but the author has an excellent point in that quote I pasted in.
More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.
Rape is known to be a weapon of war, how much harder can you hit someone. But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.
There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
*Sigh*......Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....
I'll use one woman's playrape fantasy as an example:
The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.
But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.
Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.
Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.
And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....
I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Kadagar_AV?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
~;p
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Not taking no for an answer is pretty much the definition of a rapist.
If you're playing a naughty game, then the rules have to be agreed on first. Even when playing a game, no means no.
Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I am not into that, I am not the one night stand kind of guy. But some people see some harm where there isn't any, some people have some weird habits, I am pretty boring when it comes to that. But there is nothing wrong with it, why care how they do their thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I called it a rape fantasy because that's the term people use for it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
I know very well what you are talking about; but I insist that the word "rape" isn't the word people should be looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Actually, I'm not; and currently I live in Oslo. :book:Quote:
And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....
I wouldn't say "disturbing" because it doesn't give me an emotional response of disgust or being disurbed. For example as some one said in Call of Duty example, all it shows to me that the speaker is simply a 13 year old child trying to be 'cool' in otherwords, it just makes me have a low impression of the user.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scienter
Some of the other things are an expanded definition but yes, rape is "non-consensal sex" and is always that, it doesn't mean anything else.
Like some one pointed out (Andres, I think), having Bratt Pitt come to your door saying he wants to do the deed, for a female, it would be consensual right on the spot for many of them. This is far closer to the definition of "getting ravished"
Again, "playrape" is consensual sex while pretending it is not. It isn't actually rape. This would go more under roleplaying.
What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare
....And Sylfest Lomheim wants people to call 2010 "totusenogti". Good luck to the both of you ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
My humble apologies!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
....But I bet you live in Frogner, so the point remains the same.... :smash:
Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
But I am not using it lighthearted that is their actual fantasy. I am a bit amazed here, it has nothing to do with rape, or did you commit genocide when you were playing cowboys and indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Indeed. I believe you. That's why the thread is still open, so you and Fragony could explain yourselves, and not just get branded as 2 "pro-rape" guys. I think the other readers/posters get the gist of what you're talking about. In return, you fellas need to respect their inclinations; that the very word can and does conjure up hurtful memories - not that they're a bunch prude guys or word-police.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?
Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
To build on your metaphore, to them, you're not playing cowboys and indians, but you're playing genocide which is very distasteful and upsetting for someone who has experienced "the real thing".
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You don't think I have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
The thread has reached page 2 now. Backroom tradition states that we may now discuss any subject except the original one....Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.
People get tortured to death, SM wrong? Many people have been sadistic.
Once again, I am not into it. But I am not going to judge it either, they have fun what's it to me.
I was thinking the same, but you saying that example gave me the mental image of a bunch of kids with one of those plastic kitchen sets, when one of them with a red scarf on their arm ends up saying "come on now, time to get in the oven".Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
People use ****, ****, and **** to describe sex as well, yes? Words not made up on the spot, terms that have been used for years...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I did not know that "rape fantasy" was among those terms. I mean; "schoolgirl fantasy" doesn't imply an urge to have sex with a juvenile, does it? No, it only implies having sex with someone in a white shirt, tie and short skirt....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
This is usually expressed with females in their twenties and thirties with plat short skits which are too short for school requirements, seethrough white blouses, etc as you see around town on hen-nights and the poor excuse of "porn" that is everywhere.
However, the desire and what happens is different. You could argue that those taking part in "playrape" really want to rape others themselves.
Yeah it would and so what. Don't you ever have a laugh when wrestling in the sack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
It most certainly does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Sorry, but I also disagree with you on that one. The 'schoolgirl fantasy' as you call it, most certainly implies a desire to have sex with a young girl who is still in school. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that desire; indeed I would say that the specific fantasy you are talking about is very normal because the age of consent does not match the biological age of sexual maturity. However, it's definitely based on the notion that a person is aroused by teenage schoolgirls. Denying that is, frankly, a bit preposterous.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Well I won't deny it, happy memory's. So what.
edit: and to make it perfectly clear, I meant games, not actually eying teenage girls. Sometimes you have to be sure.