Video games 'worse' than porn

[Viking]

A sexual fantasy about rape is not possible, because rape per definition is sex lacking consent. It isn't rape if there is consent.

[HoreTore]

I can only speak for myself and the close friends I talk about sex with, but I don't know anyone who has rape fantasies. These are separate from 'getting rough' or BDSM. Rape is an act of violence against a woman, has nothing to do with sex. That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.

A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?

[Scienter]

Why does such a thing such as sado-machosism exist, or any other fetish really. The desire to take or to be taken is deeply rooted in the fantasy-world of both sexes and some will give in to excesses. Just look at the language, always helps, you will always find a violent or dominating undertone 'taken' 'mounted', just as you will always find sexual insinuation in excessive violence. Did I just beat you at COD4? No I raped you.

"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

I don't necessarily agree with everything in that link I posted, but the author has an excellent point in that quote I pasted in.

[Fragony]

That said, I'm sure some women DO have them, but I really can't believe that it's common.

More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.

"Rape culture is the myriad ways in which rape is tacitly and overtly abetted and encouraged having saturated every corner of our culture so thoroughly that people can't easily wrap their heads around what the rape culture actually is." For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

Rape is known to be a weapon of war, how much harder can you hit someone. But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.

[Scienter]

A rape fantasy isn't about a real rape, whatever gave you that idea...?

There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.

[HoreTore]

There is no such thing as "pretend rape." I agree w/ Viking's post. By definition you can't have consensual rape.

*Sigh*......

I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....

I'll use one woman's playrape fantasy as an example:

The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.

But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.

Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.

Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.

And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....

[TinCow]

More like not taking no for an answer, adults like to have fun as well. What is the problem it is perfectly harmless. All work no play makes Jack a very dull boy.

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But we aren't talking about actual rape, is sado-masochism really torture or is it just a game, same here. Is sadism a word you can deal with without it's context.

I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.

[Andres]

During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask

Kadagar_AV?

No means no, period,

Indeed.

Not taking no for an answer is pretty much the definition of a rapist.


If you're playing a naughty game, then the rules have to be agreed on first. Even when playing a game, no means no.

[Scienter]

*Sigh*......

I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....

I'll use one hot woman's(she's actually 3 years younger than me, I'm getting old...) playrape fantasy as an example:

The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.

But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.

Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.

Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.

And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....

Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out.

[Fragony]

I understand what you're talking about here, but you're putting yourself in the disturbing position of allowing the man to interpret when no means yes. That's what results in date rape. No means no, period, unless it's part of BDSM play and there's a safe-word involved.

I am not into that, I am not the one night stand kind of guy. But some people see some harm where there isn't any, some people have some weird habits, I am pretty boring when it comes to that. But there is nothing wrong with it, why care how they do their thing.

[HoreTore]

Ok, I understand what you are saying. The woman you're talking about is roleplaying; this is something she wants. Maybe the thread got confused. But, real rape is a very serious thing to people who know people who have been raped, or have been raped themselves. Call it playrape, BDSM, roleplaying, what have you, but, just calling it a rape fantasy without being more specific with your words is triggering and inflammatory to some people. Hopefully this will sort it all out.

I called it a rape fantasy because that's the term people use for it....

[Viking]

*Sigh*......

I'm not sure whether I should bother to explain this, but anyway....

I'll use one hot woman's(she's actually 3 years younger than me, I'm getting old...) playrape fantasy as an example:

The way she wanted it, was that she would decide a timeframe, let's say monday to wednesday. During that timeframe, someone would "break in" with ski mask and all that and "rape" her. Ie. making it as realistic as a rape as possible.

But of course it wouldn't be a real rape, as the person would've been a sexual partner and everything would've been decided beforehand.

Why this thread has confused actual rape with roleplaying is beyond my imagination, really.

Google "Playrape" and I'm sure you'll find some erotic stories that should explain the phenomenon for you.

I know very well what you are talking about; but I insist that the word "rape" isn't the word people should be looking for.

And Viking is from Bergen, you can't listen to people from there....

Actually, I'm not; and currently I live in Oslo.

[Beskar]

For me, seeing the word "rape" used to mean something other than non-consensual sex is disturbing.

I wouldn't say "disturbing" because it doesn't give me an emotional response of disgust or being disurbed. For example as some one said in Call of Duty example, all it shows to me that the speaker is simply a 13 year old child trying to be 'cool' in otherwords, it just makes me have a low impression of the user.

Some of the other things are an expanded definition but yes, rape is "non-consensal sex" and is always that, it doesn't mean anything else.

Like some one pointed out (Andres, I think), having Bratt Pitt come to your door saying he wants to do the deed, for a female, it would be consensual right on the spot for many of them. This is far closer to the definition of "getting ravished"

Again, "playrape" is consensual sex while pretending it is not. It isn't actually rape. This would go more under roleplaying.

[Fragony]

What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare

[HoreTore]

I know very well what you are talking about; but I insist that the word "rape" isn't the word people should be looking for.

....And Sylfest Lomheim wants people to call 2010 "totusenogti". Good luck to the both of you

Actually, I'm not; and currently I live in Oslo.

My humble apologies!!

....But I bet you live in Frogner, so the point remains the same....

[KukriKhan]

What the hell is wrong with you people, didn't we make clear, well at least a number of times, that it is just a fantasy? Yes because the word ' rape' means so much it's that much hotter when being dominated if that is your thing no? Makes no sense to you? Let them be, or feel dirty at your next performance of whatever shakespeare

Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.

[HoreTore]

Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.

But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....

[Fragony]

Nothing wrong with them. The very word "rape" denotes an actual violent act, and some folks here, myself included, have been affected by actual rapes - and therefore naturally shy away from using the word in any kind of light-hearted manner. I realize you are only using the word for shorthand, to mean "ravished play-acting"; but you gotta respect the usage that your peers here use.

But I am not using it lighthearted that is their actual fantasy. I am a bit amazed here, it has nothing to do with rape, or did you commit genocide when you were playing cowboys and indians.

[KukriKhan]

But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....

Indeed. I believe you. That's why the thread is still open, so you and Fragony could explain yourselves, and not just get branded as 2 "pro-rape" guys. I think the other readers/posters get the gist of what you're talking about. In return, you fellas need to respect their inclinations; that the very word can and does conjure up hurtful memories - not that they're a bunch prude guys or word-police.

Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?

[Andres]

But I am not using it lighthearted that is their actual fantasy. I am a bit amazed here, it has nothing to do with rape, or did you commit genocide when you were playing cowboys and indians.

Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.

To build on your metaphore, to them, you're not playing cowboys and indians, but you're playing genocide which is very distasteful and upsetting for someone who has experienced "the real thing".

[HoreTore]

Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.

You don't think I have?

Is it possible for us to get back to pr0n vs vid-game?

The thread has reached page 2 now. Backroom tradition states that we may now discuss any subject except the original one....

[Fragony]

"pro-rape" guys.

Excuse me?

Sure, but somebody who has been raped or has a close friend/relative or maybe even a partner who has been raped, will have a serious issue with people playing "rape games" for fun.

People get tortured to death, SM wrong? Many people have been sadistic.

Once again, I am not into it. But I am not going to judge it either, they have fun what's it to me.

[Beskar]

To build on your metaphore, to them, you're not playing cowboys and indians, but you're playing genocide which is very distasteful and upsetting for someone who has experienced "the real thing".

I was thinking the same, but you saying that example gave me the mental image of a bunch of kids with one of those plastic kitchen sets, when one of them with a red scarf on their arm ends up saying "come on now, time to get in the oven".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But the thing is, Kukri, "playrape" and "rape fantasy" are the terms people use when describing this thing... It isn't something me or Frags just made up on the spot, its a a term that's been used for years to describe it....

People use ****, ****, and **** to describe sex as well, yes? Words not made up on the spot, terms that have been used for years...

[HoreTore]

People use ****, ****, and **** to describe sex as well, yes? Words not made up on the spot, terms that have been used for years...

I did not know that "rape fantasy" was among those terms. I mean; "schoolgirl fantasy" doesn't imply an urge to have sex with a juvenile, does it? No, it only implies having sex with someone in a white shirt, tie and short skirt....

[Beskar]

I did not know that "rape fantasy" was among those terms. I mean; "schoolgirl fantasy" doesn't imply an urge to have sex with a juvenile, does it? No, it only implies having sex with someone in a white shirt, tie and short skirt....

It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.

This is usually expressed with females in their twenties and thirties with plat short skits which are too short for school requirements, seethrough white blouses, etc as you see around town on hen-nights and the poor excuse of "porn" that is everywhere.

However, the desire and what happens is different. You could argue that those taking part in "playrape" really want to rape others themselves.

[Fragony]

It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.

Yeah it would and so what. Don't you ever have a laugh when wrestling in the sack.

[HoreTore]

It implies the desire of having sex with nubile young girl in her teens. (depending on area, pre-nubile) in her school uniform.

It most certainly does not.

[TinCow]

It most certainly does not.

Sorry, but I also disagree with you on that one. The 'schoolgirl fantasy' as you call it, most certainly implies a desire to have sex with a young girl who is still in school. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that desire; indeed I would say that the specific fantasy you are talking about is very normal because the age of consent does not match the biological age of sexual maturity. However, it's definitely based on the notion that a person is aroused by teenage schoolgirls. Denying that is, frankly, a bit preposterous.

[Fragony]

Well I won't deny it, happy memory's. So what.

edit: and to make it perfectly clear, I meant games, not actually eying teenage girls. Sometimes you have to be sure.