Why is OK to harrass mormons?

You have an ipad?

Does everyone in Norway have an Ipad?

If not, how does it feel to be a member of the bugeroise slowy consolidating power through the use of Apple products feel?

If so, I would like a plane ticket and a place on the couch.

As for mormons? Good people, first long term relationship was with a mormon girl, very nice family. Much better than some of sado masochists pretending to be baptists running about.

At least when mormons don't drink they have family board game night. I got a heavy dose of sexual repression from the blue hairs

The Mormons had their own "prom" like event about a week before or after the school prom. I was kind of interested in going because as it turned out, regular prom was not for me.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

If memory serves, and mine usually does, Mormons believe that America is the New Jerusalem, originally populated by the lost Exiles who were then wiped out by the Indians. So there's the inherrent racism. then there's the archaeological nonsense with bronze weapons being used by the Jewish exiles 600 years after they fell pretty much completely out of fashion.

Historical inconsistancies in Christianity certainly exist, but they are much less serious, often geographical errors that demonstrate the writer wasn't native to the region he was describing. There's also the fact that only Smith could see the tablets and yet the Mormons succeeded in translating them to Salt Lake City after his death.

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This is somewhat true but not quite. Mormons don't believe that America was populated by the lost Exiles, but by a couple of Jewish families who where led there by God a few years before Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. The Indians are said to be descended from these people. There is no mention of the Jewish exiles using bronze weapons, however there are archaeological inconsistencies, most of which have to do with the people bringing metal tools and animals to the Americas of which no evidence has been found.

The Book of Mormon was translated/written (whatever you want to consider it) quite some time before Joseph Smith's death.

Because Mormonism is another idolatrous man-made religion. The true Christian religion however has existed since creation and unlike the whole world system of religions with their arbitrary commandments etc, the law of Christ is written in men's hearts and is self-evident to those that are born again.

All other religions are created by a prophet at some point in human history... when with Mohammed in the 7th century for Islam, Catholicism around the 4th Century, Judaism with Moses (which they do not realise was meant to lead them to Christ), Mormonism with Joseph Smith etc. These religious systems do not even pretend to have deeper roots, they were created with their founding figures.

On the other hand, Christianity was not created by Jesus 2,000 years ago, but with the creation of Adam. In Christianity, morality is not something arbitrary based on following strange rituals or observances (despite the best efforts of depraved man to make it so, whether within Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or much of Protestantism), but is instead a natural law, which all men understand by nature. And this is what sets Christianity apart from the whole Babylonian system of world religions.

And this is why a Mormon should never be President. If a man lives by the man-made laws of the different religions, and not the true natural law, then he will never be a moral ruler. Like the pharisees he can make the outside of the vessel clean with his ritual washings, but the inside will always be full of iniquity, and this will reflect itself in his Presidency.

But then, the USA already has Catholics and atheists for Presidents, so...

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Because Mormonism is another idolatrous man-made religion. The true Christian religion however has existed since creation and unlike the whole world system of religions with their arbitrary commandments etc, the law of Christ is written in men's hearts and is self-evident to those that are born again.

All other religions are created by a prophet at some point in human history... when with Mohammed in the 7th century for Islam, Catholicism around the 4th Century, Judaism with Moses (which they do not realise was meant to lead them to Christ), Mormonism with Joseph Smith etc. These religious systems do not even pretend to have deeper roots, they were created with their founding figures.

On the other hand, Christianity was not created by Jesus 2,000 years ago, but with the creation of Adam. In Christianity, morality is not something arbitrary based on following strange rituals or observances (despite the best efforts of depraved man to make it so, whether within Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or much of Protestantism), but is instead a natural law, which all men understand by nature. And this is what sets Christianity apart from the whole Babylonian system of world religions.

And this is why a Mormon should never be President. If a man lives by the man-made laws of the different religions, and not the true natural law, then he will never be a moral ruler. Like the pharisees he can make the outside of the vessel clean with his ritual washings, but the inside will always be full of iniquity, and this will reflect itself in his Presidency.

But then, the USA already has Catholics and atheists for Presidents, so...

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...and John Calvin created Calvinism.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

But then, the USA already has Catholics and atheists for Presidents, so...

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Who is the atheist if you don't mind me asking?

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

...and John Calvin created Calvinism.

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No, his works are a refutation of all the man-made trappings that were stuck on to Christianity.

Although I agree some modern 'Calvinists' follow him like a sort of profit. I was dubbed a heretic by some on a certain site recently. I asked for scriptural arguments but all they could do was quote theologians and confessions of faith. NOT very Protestant!

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Who is the atheist if you don't mind me asking?

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Obama.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Beskar: in a word, no.

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I got it from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD203xXl9Yk

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Obama.

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Except for the fact he attends church frequently and was a devout member the United Church of Christ before the Rev. Wright scandal...

Thats a pretty awesome cartoon. It kind of makes me want to be a mormon. I didn't know Jesus was a player! And I think its unfair that mormons can't have caffiene when their planet of origin is named Cola.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Because Mormonism is another idolatrous man-made religion. The true Christian religion however has existed since creation and unlike the whole world system of religions with their arbitrary commandments etc, the law of Christ is written in men's hearts and is self-evident to those that are born again.

All other religions are created by a prophet at some point in human history... when with Mohammed in the 7th century for Islam, Catholicism around the 4th Century, Judaism with Moses (which they do not realise was meant to lead them to Christ), Mormonism with Joseph Smith etc. These religious systems do not even pretend to have deeper roots, they were created with their founding figures.

On the other hand, Christianity was not created by Jesus 2,000 years ago, but with the creation of Adam. In Christianity, morality is not something arbitrary based on following strange rituals or observances (despite the best efforts of depraved man to make it so, whether within Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or much of Protestantism), but is instead a natural law, which all men understand by nature. And this is what sets Christianity apart from the whole Babylonian system of world religions.

And this is why a Mormon should never be President. If a man lives by the man-made laws of the different religions, and not the true natural law, then he will never be a moral ruler. Like the pharisees he can make the outside of the vessel clean with his ritual washings, but the inside will always be full of iniquity, and this will reflect itself in his Presidency.

But then, the USA already has Catholics and atheists for Presidents, so...

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Your post doesn't make sense. Christianity didn't exist before the coming of Christ, so in that time Judaism was the true religion, and began with Adam, not Moses. Mormonism claims to be a restoration of true Christianity so your claim that it doesn't even try to have deeper roots is false.

Mormonism doesn't claim that morality comes from rituals. Also don't forget that babtism and the sacrament/communion come from the New Testament of the Bible.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I got it from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD203xXl9Yk

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After about half of that video I couldn't take it anymore its a load of crap but in kind of a funny way.

EDIT: Ok so I just watched the whole thing. A few parts are basically true, but a lot of it really twists Mormon doctrine and adds in some stuff that isn't taught by the Mormon church.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Thats a pretty awesome cartoon. It kind of makes me want to be a mormon. I didn't know Jesus was a player! And I think its unfair that mormons can't have caffiene when their planet of origin is named Cola.

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lol Mormons can drink caffeine you should come to Utah and meet all the middle aged Mormon women who are addicted to diet coke...

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Originally Posted by Chuchip

Ok so I just watched the whole thing. A few parts are basically true, but a lot of it really twists Mormon doctrine and adds in some stuff that isn't taught by the Mormon church.

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How does it mean by twisting Mormon doctrine, and what parts are true and which are false? :O

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Originally Posted by Beskar

How does it mean by twisting Mormon doctrine, and what parts are true and which are false? :O

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Well it takes basic Mormon teachings, leaves out the details and then adds in its own. And some of the stuff isn't real Mormon teachings.

According to Mormonism; God is not polygamous and doesn't have "endless sex". There was no "counsel of gods". There was a "council of heaven", where all of God's spirit children (who are humanity), could choose between Jesus and Satan, but everyone either chose Satan or Jesus, black people are not black because they remained neutral. God did not have sex with Mary. Jesus was not polygamous (also during the whole Davinci Code controversy I can remember that Mormon leaders came out and said the Mormon position on the whole thing was that we don't know if Jesus ever got married or not). Joseph Smith was not descended from Jesus, and he won't be a part of final judgement.

When I first saw this thread, I swear I thought it asked: "Why is it ok to harrass morons?"

My answer to the question is: "Isn't it obvious?"

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Because Mormonism is another idolatrous man-made religion. The true Christian religion however has existed since creation and unlike the whole world system of religions with their arbitrary commandments etc, the law of Christ is written in men's hearts and is self-evident to those that are born again.

All other religions are created by a prophet at some point in human history... when with Mohammed in the 7th century for Islam, Catholicism around the 4th Century, Judaism with Moses (which they do not realise was meant to lead them to Christ), Mormonism with Joseph Smith etc. These religious systems do not even pretend to have deeper roots, they were created with their founding figures.

On the other hand, Christianity was not created by Jesus 2,000 years ago, but with the creation of Adam. In Christianity, morality is not something arbitrary based on following strange rituals or observances (despite the best efforts of depraved man to make it so, whether within Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or much of Protestantism), but is instead a natural law, which all men understand by nature. And this is what sets Christianity apart from the whole Babylonian system of world religions.

And this is why a Mormon should never be President. If a man lives by the man-made laws of the different religions, and not the true natural law, then he will never be a moral ruler. Like the pharisees he can make the outside of the vessel clean with his ritual washings, but the inside will always be full of iniquity, and this will reflect itself in his Presidency.

But then, the USA already has Catholics and atheists for Presidents, so...

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Thank you, Rhyfelwyr, for answering the OP.

Also, thanks for the laughs. Protestants who try to prove their Christian church has been around longer than The Church always amuse me. ~:)

CR

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Originally Posted by Chuchip

Haha.

The Mormon church banned polygamy around the year 1900. Also in the years where polygamy was practiced not everyone was polygamous, In the region where I live historically only about 25% of families practiced polygamy.

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Polygamy has not yet dissapeared, neither in theology nor in practise. Just relegated to the backburner.


And how does that 'only 25% of families practised polygamy' work anyway?
If that one in four polygamous families consists of a husband and four wives, then the marital status of the vast majority of people is affected by polygamy. Three monogamously married men, three monogamamously married women. And one polygamously married man, four polymaously married women, and three men by necessity remaining unmarried.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Thank you, Rhyfelwyr, for answering the OP.

Also, thanks for the laughs. Protestants who try to prove their Christian church has been around longer than The Church always amuse me. ~:)

CR

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Why do you laugh at Rhy's religious beliefs?


Just because he is a minority? Do you laugh at the silly claim of exclusivity of Catholics? Laugh at the silly Jews? The stupid Mormon faith?

I do!

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

I do!

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They point with this thread, is to try to understand why people who cry about being ridiculed by others ridicule certain other people in the exact same way...

They claim that their beliefs are holy and to be treated with respect, yet they have no respect for other such claims. Other beliefs are to be hated to such a degree that it trumps everything else, like we see with Romney, who is thought of a superb candidate, "but he's mormon"....

Insert some faith into the mormon history, and I have no problem seeing its truth. Take the faith out of the "normal" story of christ, and what you get is complete and utt nonsense. Walking on water? Makes absolutely no sense if you don't believe he was the son of god, at which point it of course makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

You have an ipad?

Does everyone in Norway have an Ipad?

If not, how does it feel to be a member of the bugeroise slowy consolidating power through the use of Apple products feel?

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Excellent point, the resident communist comes here with his iPad to lecture everybody about hypocrisy...

And on that note, what about scientology? Where were you when we celebrated the Anonymous actions against them?
Or is it fine to make fun of their beliefs but the Mormons are somehow sacred?

Are there even Mormons in Europe or is it an America-centric religion?
At least the catholics tried to bring the happy message to the whole world but the mormons seem to content letting everybody outside America rot while they regain their godhood, how arrogant. ~;)

First off, mormons exist in europe, there's a mormon church in the city I live(Drammen).

Secondly, I'm not saying we shouldn't poke fun at any religions, I'm of course all for that. But while I poke fun at religious people, I'm not saying that my socialism is not to be made fun of. Which is what conservative christians do; they mock the mormons while at the same time saying its not OK to make fun of their own religion.

@ Husar

I don’t know how many Mormon Converts there are outside the US but every Mormon male, at least, don’t know about the women, is expected to go on Mission.

My cousin spent two or three years in Italy converting, or trying to convert the people. Of course in his spare time he was also tracing his genealogy back to Adam and Eve, as they require...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

They point with this thread, is to try to understand why people who cry about being ridiculed by others ridicule certain other people in the exact same way...

They claim that their beliefs are holy and to be treated with respect, yet they have no respect for other such claims. Other beliefs are to be hated to such a degree that it trumps everything else, like we see with Romney, who is thought of a superb candidate, "but he's mormon"....

Insert some faith into the mormon history, and I have no problem seeing its truth. Take the faith out of the "normal" story of christ, and what you get is complete and utt nonsense. Walking on water? Makes absolutely no sense if you don't believe he was the son of god, at which point it of course makes perfect sense.

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It was a joke, I laugh at everyone. There's nothing particually malicious about it, or at least not intentional.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

If memory serves, and mine usually does, Mormons believe that America is the New Jerusalem, originally populated by the lost Exiles who were then wiped out by the Indians. So there's the inherrent racism. then there's the archaeological nonsense with bronze weapons being used by the Jewish exiles 600 years after they fell pretty much completely out of fashion.

Historical inconsistancies in Christianity certainly exist, but they are much less serious, often geographical errors that demonstrate the writer wasn't native to the region he was describing. There's also the fact that only Smith could see the tablets and yet the Mormons succeeded in translating them to Salt Lake City after his death.

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I for one am a Mormon apologist. Of all the 35 000 Christian denominations, Mormonism rings most true to what was the original church of Jesus Christ. Only Catholicism has as strong a claim to the original.
I was quite into religious debate during my years in university and met some interesting characters on this board. One in particular, Pindar was a Mormon and former missionary and I took a peek into his religion.
I actually read the Book of Mormon and note the following:
The exiles were not Jews (of the tribe of Judah) but were of Manasseh and Ephraim. They brought a valuable steel sword that became the template for other blades. The families got into a feud and separated. One wicked group (Lamanites) and one faithful (Nephites). The wicked destroyed the faithful and became the "Indians".
Concerning the geography, I for one didn't notice any inconsistencies. It talks about a land in the north and a land in the south separated by a small strip of land (North and South America?).
Besides, any attack on the Book of Mormon can be turned around towards the Bible.

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Originally Posted by lars573

Because somewhere in the books on the new testament is a bit about how Jesus was the last official prophet of the lord. Anyone who claims otherwise is perpetrating a big ass mortal sin. Anyone who follows said false prophet is also a sinner. Also there is the risk of them being the Anti-Christ*.

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Heh... notably nearly every Christian denomination asserts that Jesus Christ is God, not a prophet of one. And was not Peter a prophet? As in one who receives revelations from God?

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Originally Posted by Chuchip

Your post doesn't make sense. Christianity didn't exist before the coming of Christ, so in that time Judaism was the true religion, and began with Adam, not Moses. Mormonism claims to be a restoration of true Christianity so your claim that it doesn't even try to have deeper roots is false.

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I don't know what religion or none you belong to, but how do you think the saints of the Old Testament were saved? Did they observe the whole law so that they may be spotless before God? Or did they look forward to Christ as their saviour? King David was a Christian, he was born again.

You say Judaism began with Adam, but of course the whole ceremonial law was not given until the time of Moses and expanded long after that. For the Jews the observance of this law is necessary for righteousness... and yet as a Christian I can look back and say that the entire law has existed since the time of Adam, since it is a natural and not a positive law.

Mormons might claim to be a restoration of true Christianity but they are clearly wrong. They might have some intersting ideas which are tied to the Jewish roots of the early Christians, and it is true that much of modern Christianity is very biased by Hellenistic takes on the religion. But ultimately they say themselves that the Bible is not perfect, and that Joseph Smith's work completes it. And he brings in a whole number of strange of practices with no scriptural justification. Plus the Mormons never completed the Reformation and purged themselves of Catholic man-made traditions.

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Originally Posted by Chuchip

Mormonism doesn't claim that morality comes from rituals. Also don't forget that babtism and the sacrament/communion come from the New Testament of the Bible.

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There is no support whatsoever for water baptism or the so called 'holy communion' in the New Testament.

As an answer to the OP:

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How about Mark 13:13: "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Or maybe John 15:19: "If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you"

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Yeah... I am quoting Rhyf. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Thank you, Rhyfelwyr, for answering the OP.

Also, thanks for the laughs. Protestants who try to prove their Christian church has been around longer than The Church always amuse me. ~:)

CR

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Depends what you mean by Church. If you mean the Church of Scotland, yet I'm not very interested in tracing its roots as an organisation.

The invisible church of all the saints however has existed since the time of Adam.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

As an answer to the OP:

Yeah... I am quoting Rhyf. :beam:

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Yes! However I apply that same verse to the true descendents of the lost tribes (which are btw not just Ephraim and Manasseh, but all bar Judah and Benjamin), which are of course the British Israelites, now represented by Ulster Scots.

The whole world hates our hardline Presbyterian beliefs and the loyalist cause. It's a small nation against the world, just like in the days of the Kings of Judah!