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Forgiving certain people is very hard. Some folks, even if they grow up, you can't forget who they once were. I usually encourage healing and forgiveness, but I certainly understand this sentiment here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
BTW, what is it with these kids all claiming to know karate?
In school I used to bully my teachers.* Then one day, one of them beat me up, right in front of class too. I never did bully him again.
Coward did sneak attack me from behind. Tsk...
* Well only until the age of fifteen. :embarassed:
Only the authoritarian ones, never the weak gentle ones! Then I moved on to the police, the army, and the government. Weaklings kiss up and kick downwards. It should be the reverse. Kick whatever is stronger, and protect what is weaker.
Three big kids once beat up my brother, while one of them was pinning me down. If I ever see them again, I will kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
There's something silly about that, I suppose, considering that I think I was thirteen, and these guys probably fourteen. In general I would think it bizarre to punish adults for what they did when they were eightteen, never mind fourteen, but still...if given the option and he guarantee I'd get away with it, I might really do kill them.
YouTube can take down all the English versions of the video, but they can't keep up with the French. :knight:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
If a video is banned, always try searching for it in French too, or any other language besides English. The internet is a vast place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWwODk8mjY8
The part where the kid just took the first punch, basically unfazed, is fairly epic.
"This is the part where you run away, little boy..."
The one in red was clearly going to win that fight.
i never really understood bullying having grown a relatively popular and large kid, especially after a few typical first days of school confrontations (i moved alot so went to quite a few different schools). But my current girlfriend who is now quite attractive in all honesty told me she was bullied horribly in middle school i didnt believe it (being the gorgeous korean-croatian she is). Turns out she had an awkward phase which i suppose is believable and that one kid in particular tormented her ceaselessly and while i finally pried this out of her i can see the mental scars and psychological damage he did to her. it enrages me even to think of it (i don't want to get into details but it is very sad). I got the name of the kid from her and lo and behold turns out (thank you facebook for simplifying stalking) he goes to the same major state university as one of my best friends.
Now this is rather shameful but i went to visit my friend at university for a few weeks and once again with the joy of facebook saw a party he would be attending. I along with my friend (had no idea of my intentions) went to said party. When i was there i obviously did not go up to the kid and say you bullied k****. No it was much more refined. I took my glasses which i never wear out because they attract @$$ hole tough guys like flies to honey and put them on. Then i went up to him and spilt my beverage on him. he did not take this in stride and began to get in my face. blessing god that he obviously hadnt mellowed out since 7th grade i then proceeded to use 9 years of boxing to give him a very painful lesson in why public humiliation is wrong. After the confrontation the house in which there was a party had a broken ping pong table. I was lucky that no one seemed to care about the place and that it wasnt a bar or something with a bouncer or that his friends wanted to back him up (if he in fact had any)
the greatest reward was that my friend has a droid and the presence of mind to record the whole thing. while my girl didnt thank me (thought it was wrong) i could tell that she felt a little better about the whole experience to be honest.
The negatives were that i fractured two fingers and had to explain to rotc how that happened (hand got trapped in a car door...... it worked.) and i was out of the dollar bill i dropped on his body to get to say "clean yourself up"
was it wrong of me for what i did? probably but in the end he brought it upon himself really by continuing the conflict. i don't feel bad at all if you knew what he had been subjecting this poor girl too and what she then put herself through; its just horrible.
Honest answer: maybe. You were seeking to avenge someone and basically instigated the whole thing. I'd place that under a different category from self-defense.Quote:
was it wrong of me for what i did?
I'm not scolding you, but it could also have ended badly. What if one of his friends had a weapon and used it on you? Would it have been worth it?
I certainly understand where you're coming from though. Sometimes I'd entertain thoughts of inflicting harm on those who have harmed me, by starting a conflict of my own but.... it's just not me, I guess. You also have to figure, at my age, there would likely be legal repercussions, and it's just not worth it. Whether they have changed or not, is it worth it to cause even more senseless violence, and place myself in unnecessary risk? I'd settle on "no", just my take.
Buzz Killington, eat your heart out.
yeah i agree with that but you also don't know exactly what he did. I mean it makes me want to cry for how it affected her it is just terrible. What if someone had a weapon at some other house party and decided to use it on me in a similar situation. You can throw that one around but it didn't happen and was very unlikely to happen (we are talking a decent university here)
I'm far from saying it was self defense. It was obviously a planned attack though he didn't know it. The thing is at the end of the day I only did so much to provoke him, my incapciatated logic at the time being if he doesn't try to fight me after i "accidentally" spill the drink on him he probably changed and doesn't deserve it that much. Imagine how big of a **** you have to be to try to fight somebody who accidentally spills their drink on you in a crowded jostling house party.
It's true enough, and I trust that you're the sort of person who understands right from wrong enough to make a sound judgment on how much of a jerk this guy was and how much he deserved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
That's not really my point; he could be scum of the earth... the trouble with vigilantism is that it can cross the line into fighting crime with crime. Example, last night some jerk ordered about a hundred dollars worth of pizza, side items, sodas, etc, late at night right before we were going to close the store. It was an obvious prank, but we followed procedure and had to deliver on the off-chance it was legitimate.
(Who orders 5 italian sausage pizzas and 4 orders of breadsticks and 2 of the same pasta and three of the same sodas? That's not even creative.)
In case it was a robbery attempt, we sent two drivers, went to the house, was told it was the wrong address, called their number, got sent to a different house, it was also a place that did not order. So we knew it was a prank for certain and went back to the store. 2 people got woken up very late at night, and the store is out a lot of ingredients, and our drivers went home late. Obviously the pranksters are jerks, dumb ones in fact, because they used their actual number to call us from. It would be VERY easy to harass them back. I could easily post their telephone number on the internets and cause them a bunch of headaches in response. But is that the sort of thing I should do? Pretty sure I should not.
Do they deserve it? Of course they do. But what does this accomplish? Are these the sorts of people who would learn a lesson from it? Would they suddenly become nice people? Would the store recover the money it lost, would the driver's time come back? No.
Nothing is served. I find that is usually the case with revenge. The exceptions might be when someone is actively hurting you, you can hurt them back as defense/disincentive to continue, maybe even to stop them from hurting others again. But, to hunt them down, chase them down, assault them.... that gets into a gray area morally and a dangerous zone legally.
I am not sure I follow you here. How similar? You starting a confrontation? In that case it is a same situation, not a similar one.Quote:
What if someone had a weapon at some other house party and decided to use it on me in a similar situation.
If you didn't start a confrontation, it would be a very dissimilar situation, not really comparable. Someone using a weapon on you for no reason is harder to predict and avoid, and also has little to do with this particular predicament.
As for your other comments, I'd tend to agree he hasn't changed for the better. That said, my gut tells me you should avoid looking for trouble, because even if you feel you are in the right, you could enter a situation where you are outmatched and, well.... jerks who hurt people for no reason aren't known for their mercy. You might walk away after you've made your point, but they could put you in a hospital. Be very careful, you're a nice person and I'd prefer not to trade you for showing some jerk that he is a jerk. It's not worth the trade.
I'd love to shake the bigger kid's hand some day. Bravo for standing up to that nasty little **** like he did. I'll end up doing the same with my kids that my parents did with me, which is basically stand up for yourself and defend yourself if needed, and our parents will always support us 100%. Big kid should have pile-drove that little *******'s face into the ground after the first punch he threw.
jerk is a kind word. trust me this went beyond mere bullying. it was disgusting. like think of the girl in question being aable to write a book about her experiences later that would shame all those other anti bullying books.
the guy was a scumbag and if what i did was wrong then it was wrong. but I would probably do it again he disgusts me so much.
on a more on topic subject that big kid moved really really fast....... and the way the skinny kid tried to get into some form of stance at the beginning...... lol.
Ah...bullying. One bullied to stand up, and the bully usually stops. I've straws to put and the limit has been pushed many a time. Not until the first time did I realize that I would actually enjoy fighting.
Soo....bully one: verbal confrontation, he lunged, was fat, kept me down for about twenty seconds until I gathered my wits (he was punched me in the face a couple of times, and the blows to the nose sucked, but on the whole it was not painful) and kicked him off of me (there was a gap between us; enough for a leg). He went back, and knocked his noggin off of a table. Lights out.
Bully Two: He was bigger than me ... by alot. I was 5'4", he was about 6'. He also weighed almost twice as much as I did (I was 110 at the time). He was being his normal :daisy: self, and things were getting pretty heated. I would normally have let things slide, but I was irate that day. Anyways, he threatened violence and I punched him in the eye. Well....he grabbed me by the collar and pulled, ripping my shirt as I lunged backwards. I got tangled in the ripped shirt, and he got me to the ground. He punched me a few times, and I wormed myself into a position where I could kick him in the groin. He let go of me, and I got up, but the gym teacher stepped up, and I never got to finish that one.
Bully Three: This was not much of a fight. He was pushing me around, and I was not letting him. He punched me in the face, and then I punched him in the face, and it was pretty much over as there was a teacher nearby.
Bully Four: Being a rude :daisy:. I punched him in the face after a while, and since we were in a stairwell....well...he fell as hit his heat. He flailed about with his legs, clipped me, knocked me off balance, and I fell and hit my head. Friends kept us apart after that one.
Bully Five: Location, location, location. I was standing near a column on my friend's porch. His other friend, who had been a pain in my ass for a long time, and I were having a bit of an altercation. About what? I dont recall. Anyways, he lunged to grab me, and I stepped aside and tripped him. I cannot believe it worked. That stuff never works. Anyways, he tripped over my sweeping leg and smashed his face into the column. Best thing ever.
Bully Six: Sometimes, all their talk is not for show. He was messing with my friend, so I stood up for him. Ummm....I got my ass handed to me, and it was pretty fast. I am a bleeder, and I can take groin shots pretty well, I guess. After a while of me getting right back up after a devastating blow, he just walked away.
Not a bully, but they sucked and it was a fun fight, so...: Me and my brother were going to the gas station, and some kids we knew from school were hanging about. Well, we didnt like them, and they didint like us, so we threw around a few insults. They had bats...we discovered, and there were three of them, but they were pretty stupid. The fight was short, ugly, kinda complicated, and I got a concussion from it. I held, though, and managed to give some hurt. My brother...well...he kicked a wee bit more butt than me, I admit. Point is: two of them had broken noses and the other was simply knocked unconscious. Lots of blood, lots of groans, and my brother broke one of his fingers blocking a bat.
Moral of the stories: none of these people messed with me again, and I miss fighting.
ATPG: Support.
The most recent "fight" (which one could hardly call it; more like massacre) that I saw was shortly before I left Montana for my new job. Was in Deer Lodge doing some work with the State Prison, decided to have a drink at the local bar, also the local watering hole for off duty Prison guards. A guy and his "girlfriend" had gotten into a tiff, so he ends up throwing a full force punch to the face of the woman. She goes down, right in front of about six prison guards. All big, mean looking guys even a hardened prisoner would probably have second thoughts about fighting. The guy realizes his error of judgement and books it to his truck, doesn't make it... the biggest guard grabs him by the arm and yanks him out the truck, then dislocates that arm from the shoulder. Another guard moves in and boot stops him in the jaw. Game Over. Dislocated Arm, and broken jaw. I help out the woman, make sure she's okay... besides a bloody nose, all seemed good. Give my report of the altercation to the cops (heavily in the Prison Guard's favor). Hopefully this guy learned his lesson.
Kids these days, christQuote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
I have never been challenged to a fight in my life, when I go to parties no one screws with me
How does everyone find themsevles in these crazy perdiciments
I was about to say am I the only one who hasn't been a bully or been bullied? Though it's much more impressive that you avoided this in Texas :shocked2:, we have rule of law and **** here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I probably should have been bullied more than I was, but I must have exuded a vibe that kept them away. Only had one case, a kid I never liked but never really dealt with came up to me before a class and punched me in the chest. He wasn't really big, just a grade 1 ****** (son of a football coach, liked to think he was the bomb). So I looked at him, gave him the time (after school) and place (off school grounds), and walked off. Couldn't risk a suspension, being the geek that I was (and am). He never showed, and best of all, transferred out of my class. I never had to sit in the same room as him for the rest of high school. :laugh4: What a wuss.
That is the best result i have ever heard. lucky you.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
Strike i havent been in many fights sinc ei got to college maybe 3-4. most of those last about 15 seconds before the bouncers are on you and you find yourself out of the bar unless you have more friends saying you didnt start it.
Centurion1: Normally I am pretty much a pacifist and non-violent, though I will defend myself and those less able to defend themselves than I...and I hate to condone violence in any public forum...but since you are taking a bit of heat, let me say that in this case I understand totally what you did and why you did it. I probably would not have done what you did, but I would have wanted to.
One question...did it help you to deal with it, or do thoughts of what happened to her still eat at you?
No, you did the right thing, bro. Props to you. Who else was going to do this, do you think? The teachers? The cops? Lol. That'll be the day. Life can really suck, and we need to look after our own affairs. Nobody else cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
You reap what you sow, remember? Let God commit vengeance. Well, your girl didn't go after revenge. You did. You were God's tool to balance out her part of the universe. It's all good.
Just don't make a habit out of this thing, though.
Yeah, people around here are scared of indians. For my safety, social ignorance has its uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Zangief does not suffer bullies!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhm03a_little-zangief-zangief-kid-street-fighter-version_fun
There is no way that kid inflicted even close to 30% damage.
haha i dont know man my friend is half Navajo and hes is a complete california, nicest guy you will ever meet, etc. Before winter break i watched him completely destroy some kid who started something with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
i at least dont want to start something with him
lol, I am friends with two Indians. One is a skinny little taffer who you could break over your knee, and the other has hands as wide as my thighs and well scarred knuckles. I think they are like anyone else, just a mixed bag. It depends on their upbringing and experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah
A very inspiring show of force for the tubby kid, but he's one of those guys you can look at and tell will get huge and beefy when he finishes school. What if it's the reverse situation? Like if the bully is just a burly psychopath picking on the tiny kid with osteoporosis? What's he going to do? Hope his abuser gets impaled on a shard of bone?
As for the school's reaction, it's the same as most. From what I've experienced, adults are lousy at understanding the actual situation, and just punish whoever seems to have hit the hardest. Hell, I once ran into a kid and he got in trouble because the administration decided that he actually gave me a shove.
These boards contain an enlightened group of people (theoretically, anyways). In the north, when you see an indian, you cross the street and avoid eye contact. Rule of thumb. Sort of like how it is with black people down south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vuk
Of course, this isn't true in some cases. Younger generations are generally more open, but that's not always the case. Racism takes a long time to bleed out.