Christianity - Lottery ticket to Heaven?

Honestly, Viking, you just disappointed me. I thought you knew this. But, since you don't, I'll explain:

First off, do you remember Labour's flirt with KRF last year? A lot of people thought that alliance was far-fetched and surprising, and showed that labour was desperate to find new partners. In reality, however, it was not. The christians and the social democrats in Norway go way back. I assume you know of Arild Edvartsen, norway's missionary king? He was just one of many important christian leaders with labour membership.

When the labour movement started off in the late 19th century, they allied with the grasroot christian movement(lekmannsbevegelsen). They did this for several reasons, the primary one was of course that they both viewed themselves as in opposition to the establishment. Another reason was their fight against the absolute poverty and the social disaster area Norway was at that time. Amalie Skram paints rather shocking images of how life was on the outside back then in all of her novels(If you haven't read anything of her, I heartily recommend Hellemyrsfolket). Alcoholism was seen as one of the key factors that ruined peoples lives(and it is in Skram's work too, along with power abuses), and both lead people to damnation(christians) and tightened the upper classes grip on the status quo(workers).

This alliance between the workers movement and the evangelicals is what has shaped our nations alcohol policy, and it is still in effect today. Even if the associated political parties are in different blocks at the present time, the bond is still strong in the organizations themselves.





Not that I have the slightest problem with all this.

It should also be noted that I was speaking in more international terms. Let's face the facts Viking, nobody else gives a [insert naughty word for manure here] about what happens in our little neck of the woods ~;)





Don't be fooled by those speeches from Mother Gro, she was on meth the entire time.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Let's face the facts Viking, nobody else gives a [insert naughty word for manure here] about what happens in our little neck of the woods ~;)

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Oh poppycock, Hore. We are interested in your place! Just because Norway is small does not mean we all don't know all about your LEGO and Carlsberg and Little Mermaid. :book:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Oh poppycock, Hore. We are interested in your place! Just because Norway is small does not mean we all don't know all about your LEGO and Carlsberg and Little Mermaid. :book:

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You shouldn't make fun of your future feudal overlords.

You know the future; Europe is covered in debt, while we, through our oil fund, are busy buying up everything... Think ahead, Louis, and start pleasing your Norman overlods now. You never know, we might throw you some leftovers when the time comes ~;)

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Uhm, we were discussing Christianity, not catholicism ;)

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yeah i realize im not mentally incompetent......

i was referring to this post ;)

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epends on the brand of Christianity you're getting. The New World sects of Christianity tend to be more firebrand about the booze than old world.

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@horetore..... the chinese of europe hahahahaha

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

@horetore..... the chinese of europe hahahahaha

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Indeed we are! In 20 years, when the rest of the world has bankrupted, India, China and Norway will divide the world between us!

What's the biggest pile of money in the world? The norwegian oil fund. What's the fastest growing pile of money in the world? The norwegian oil fund. 300 billion 10 years ago, 3000 billion today. Deep down, you know where this is going. I recommend brushing up on your Norwegian, I promise I'll be gentle when I enslave your firstborn daughter ~:)

The situation with labour and alcohol isn't unique to Norway, the early Labour Party in Britain supported prohibition, with alcohol being seen as keeping the working man down and causing all sorts of social problems.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

The situation with labour and alcohol isn't unique to Norway, the early Labour Party in Britain supported prohibition, with alcohol being seen as keeping the working man down and causing all sorts of social problems.

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Yes, but it is arguably the only place where the restrictive alcohol policy is still in force, which is evident in our alcohol prices, who are waaaaaaay above any other country in Europe.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Yes, but it is arguably the only place where the restrictive alcohol policy is still in force, which is evident in our alcohol prices, who are waaaaaaay above any other country in Europe.

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Scotland's hoping to join you soon though, yay for devolution! (that being a sarcastic yay)

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Scotland's hoping to join you soon though, yay for devolution! (that being a sarcastic yay)

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Then I support the scots, as I support our high tax on alcohol.

But then, I have always viewed the scots the good guys over in Britainland, a true shame that they're being kept down by the Man in westminster...

Tell you what, I'll get the Swedes in on the plan and you convince your fellow scots, and we can form a glorious union from Edinburgh to Helsingfors! We're brothers in the spirit, you know this. Let's make it official! We'll rule the world!!

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I promise I'll be gentle when I enslave your firstborn daughter

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Ah, good to see the Viking spirit up and running.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

But then, I have always viewed the scots the good guys over in Britainland, a true shame that they're being kept down by the Man in westminster...

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Until the present lovely couple showed up just remember where the man in Westminster came from...

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

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Originally Posted by Sonic

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

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Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

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wow nice! so I guess if I just take that, I won't go to hell? :grin:
:2thumbsup: but if someone go to hell, he just have bad luck then :clown:

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Originally Posted by Sonic

geez, don't believe CW said, I just merely want to have the same lottery ticket to heaven, as almost all of my friends now turned Christians (well, having legally able to bought booze is better than having to bribe extra for the shop)

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How does that work? Were they Muslim before? I thought that those who choose to give up the faith are to be put to death.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

How does that work? Were they Muslim before? I thought that those who choose to give up the faith are to be put to death.

~:smoking:

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luckily for them, our governments are still largely secular, unlike malaysia...
that's why Islamic parties try to change our "easy going" government :wall:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Honestly, Viking, you just disappointed me. I thought you knew this. But, since you don't, I'll explain:

First off, do you remember Labour's flirt with KRF last year? A lot of people thought that alliance was far-fetched and surprising, and showed that labour was desperate to find new partners. In reality, however, it was not. The christians and the social democrats in Norway go way back. I assume you know of Arild Edvartsen, norway's missionary king? He was just one of many important christian leaders with labour membership.

When the labour movement started off in the late 19th century, they allied with the grasroot christian movement(lekmannsbevegelsen). They did this for several reasons, the primary one was of course that they both viewed themselves as in opposition to the establishment. Another reason was their fight against the absolute poverty and the social disaster area Norway was at that time. Amalie Skram paints rather shocking images of how life was on the outside back then in all of her novels(If you haven't read anything of her, I heartily recommend Hellemyrsfolket). Alcoholism was seen as one of the key factors that ruined peoples lives(and it is in Skram's work too, along with power abuses), and both lead people to damnation(christians) and tightened the upper classes grip on the status quo(workers).

This alliance between the workers movement and the evangelicals is what has shaped our nations alcohol policy, and it is still in effect today. Even if the associated political parties are in different blocks at the present time, the bond is still strong in the organizations themselves.





Not that I have the slightest problem with all this.

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I knew the abstinence bit, thus I was surprised to read your previous post and felt the need to reply. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Well got bad news for you, it's all predetermined. You burn or you don't. Unless you are a catholic than you can just take what you really really want. All kinda silly imho

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And you know who´s predetermined or not? Please tell me, am I one of the lucky ones?

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Originally Posted by The Mad Arab

Yeah, not drinking alcohol is one of the Buddhist precepts, so that kinda works.

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Go and tell that to all the freaking hippies who bring up how buddhism is awesome everytime they get drunk.

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Originally Posted by Viking

I knew the abstinence bit, thus I was surprised to read your previous post and felt the need to reply. :inquisitive:

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The workers movement is behind a lot, if not almost everything, of what makes Norway a pleasant country to live in.



But to take the fight against alcohol from the christians is unfair. They have simply done more than the workers movement in that area.

frag predestination is in the minority of christian sects even protestant ones.

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Go and tell that to all the freaking hippies who bring up how buddhism is awesome everytime they get drunk.

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Believe me, I'm very much familiar with the Shambhala Buddhists who have a very, let's say, "liberal" interpretation of the Five Precepts. They suggest that the Precepts are somehow "optional" and what makes you a Buddhist is the taking of Refuge. Still, I'm very much in disagreeance with anyone claiming to be Buddhist while getting drunk. I personally don't want to have anything to do with them.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

frag predestination is in the minority of christian sects even protestant ones.

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But they're the best ones. :wink:

Plus they'll be the ones Frag is used to given he is from Dutchland.

I like booze, therefore I am whatever the people at burning man are

and someone just stolen somebody else's muslim fiancee, despite allready having a nice girlfriend :clown:
I wonder is that because she want booze or not?