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A culture cannot assimilate into another. In sociological terms "assimilation" means to lose your original culture and accept the culture of the host. Only individuals can assimilate, but not cultures. And that´s partly my problem with this discussion. I would prefer talks about groups of individuals rather than cultures.
A British native is someone who has had a family in this country for many generations black or white.
I have to disagree... I was served with a guy that his parents were Brittish but he had lived in England his whole life. He drank piss warm beer, talked like some mop head from Liverpool, wore fruity clothes, thought the government should put its tit in your mouth from when you were born (or allowed you to be born) till the day you died, and liked butt love with chicks (he called it butt buggery). Totally Brittish if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ragnar
...and yes, I'm drunk, the wife's out of town and I'm posting even if it kills me!!! Hooozah!!!! ~:cheers:
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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
Oops, I meant ot say his parents were American, but I can't edit my posts. Sorry... :dizzy2:
The fact is that the Muslim minority is bound to increase because they have much larger families whilst 4 decades of liberalism amongst the indigenous population have made people only want small families much later on in life than before.
There seems to be more to the story then what is being shown in the polls. The thing is that with freedom of speech - you get a vocal minority that express their views in a manner that is designed to play either into the fears of the majority or is done on purpose to strike contraversity (SP) within the community.
For instance some recent news and some not so recent articles coming out of Britian.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wosse705.xml
July 2004
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An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.
Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ar...ls.php?id=6992
This is an interesting read - and because the article needs to be read in detail I won't post bits and pieces of it. However I think it has a lot of insite into the issue.
Maybe it is unsocialistic, but as for my country - it would be pleasing to see all muslims driven back to their homelands, if not then imprisoned and sent to build roads in Syberia.
Edit: About the roads - measure for those who won't want to leave the country.
Worrying numbers indeed Radier. As ive said, these terrorists feed off the passive support they get in the muslim community.
And dont let them make you feel guilty about wanting them out of your country.. Troublemakers are troublemakers no matter what color their skin is or what culture they come from (and try to force on you). If they are there living off your tax dollars, you have every right to question their presence without being labeled racist, ect.
Good point BTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Panzer, IliaDN and Radier... (adds names to list)
Yes multiculturalism doesn't work. Seal the borders! Countries created from immigration are a disaster - full of weirdos with too many guns.
None of you realise how tedious it is to hear these things. Go and read a few history books and see that this knee jerk, pitchfolk waving nonsense is as old as the hills. And that's coming from someone who's great grandfather couldn't speak a word of english and lived in an ethnic ghetto.
Opening borders to early will erase civilizations, read some books too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
lmao, what on earth do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by IliaDN
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lmao, what on earth do you mean?
Does Rome ring a bell?
Overcrowding country with less educated people.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Then educate them. That is if you have a civilisation worth more then its history books and the educated citizens who can teach.
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Look at what happened to Japan when it isolated itself from the world. China too when it decided to batten down its borders.
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Australia is a multicultural society. It has problems, but like anything you can use change to your advantage or hide in fear. It has a good standard of living, highly competitive at sports and a diverse range of foods... all of which are enhanced by being a multicultural society. There is cultural clashes some of which fuse into something worse or better.
Things like soccor clubs are not allowed to use ethnic names as a means to difuse tensions... doesn't always work. On the other hand Perth has a single national club and a far more unified fan base.
Pap, no one is arguing against a multi-cultural society. Kicking out a specific group of people who are detrimental to the society does not make it mono-cultural, unless that society only has 2 cultural influences to begin with.
For example, lets say European countries kick out all the muslims.. there are still many other cultures present that are a positive benefit to the larger society.
Stopping a certain group that happens to present an above-average danger does not equate to what Japan or China did.
So, you are advocating ethnic cleansing? How charming.Quote:
Originally Posted by IliaDN
I have the feeling that some people are happy that the terrorist attacks give them a welcome opportunity to get rid of some people they did not like anyway.
I guess this mindset will never cease to exist - no matter waht happened in the past...
I suggest you guys look at what happened when the Normans took over Sicily. It flourished far more then its neighbours because it was more open minded.
Part of the USAs success has been in attracting acadmeics who have fled their less open minded home countries. In WWII the Manhatten Project was staffed by a majority of foreign born and trained scientists that had fled facist Europe.
Also once you start targeting people with such a broad brush as an entire religion where do you stop? Australia only recently (in historic terms) got rid of its racist white Australia policy and stopped counting Aborigines in the wild life census and added them to the human one. Apartheid South Africa is another dispicable example. Where do we stop?
On a pragmatic approach, if you go down that track what stops all Muslim nations from doing an Oil embargo on the nation that implements such a policy?
I think we are capable of making the distinction between beneficial cultures and dangerous ones.
Besides the fact that they need our money, what makes you think that muslim countries would be upset if their best and brightest werent allowed to migrate out of the country?Quote:
On a pragmatic approach, if you go down that track what stops all Muslim nations from doing an Oil embargo on the nation that implements such a policy?
It saddens me to see that a lot of people here would love to see me forced out of the country I call home… because I am a Muslim.
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Originally Posted by IliaDN
Sad indeed . But if that ever happens you have no one to blame but your fellow Muslims.Quote:
It saddens me to see that a lot of people here would love to see me forced out of the country I call home… because I am a Muslim.
Nonsense. The people to blame are small minded people like you who have a limited grasp on what western civilisation is really about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
What do you expect from a Russian? They've been ethnic cleansing for hundreds of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Why do I even bother…
Nice resorting to personal attacks. I could say the same of you but at least I I know better. Radical Muslimss are giving the rest of them a bad name just like many rappers and Black gangsters over here give Blacks a bad name. In both cases the only ones who can stop it are the regular Muslims or Blacks. Theres nothing we can really do about it.Quote:
Nonsense. The people to blame are small minded people like you who have a limited grasp on what western civilisation is really about.
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Originally Posted by Idaho
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Originally Posted by Idaho
WOW! So THIS is what western culture is about right?
Where is my hyprocrisy thread again...? this is going there!
Azi
Ha! I would say the pot is calling the kettle black, but that would be insulting to Gawain. ~;)Quote:
Nonsense. The people to blame are small minded people like you who have a limited grasp on what western civilisation is really about.
A pinko trying to lecture on western civilization.. what a crazy world we live in. There wouldnt even be a western civilization if you had your way. :laugh4:
You don't even understand the basic principles of the things we are discussing Panzer. It's like debating with an 8 year old with ADD.
With Gawain it's more like an 80 year old with CJD.
Well, the interrment of Japanese-Americans was carried out with many of the same arguments, and I think we can all agree (well, most of us anyway) that it was a crime. We had no right or reason to incarcerate American citizens because their ancestors were Japanese, and we have no right to expel people due to their religion. If we ever resort to that... I'm going too because the America I'm a citizen of will be dead.
Bravo! A light of intelligence in a sea of mud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
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