hitpoints

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Originally Posted by kayapó

I think there's a little misunderstanding going on...
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Well, I understood that we were talking about bodyguards nor generals. And I think they should keep 2 HPs. But I admit my first post was not very well worded in this respect.

I was reading somewhere that it was standard (Ottoman?) tactics to drive straight at the enemy general and try to kill him, decapitating his army. So our temptation as players to try to kill the general is not ahistorical. However, for both historical and gameplay reasons, I don't think game designers should make it easy.

If the Generals' Bodyguards are hitpoints are lowered , then perhaps their base number {of individual bodyguards} should be increased ?

Pro: It occurs to me that having most generals with just over half the combat power of a normal unit of heavies [i]might[/b] make the A.I. more careful in deploying them .

Con: The trouble however could be that Generals' units' moral seems {to me} to be effected by percentage of troops {in their own unit} lost just as are normal units . Weakened body guards would die faster and thus increase the chance the General would rout .

The question then remains , does the Pro outweigh the con , or the reverse hold true ?





As for EBs' apparant take on Hit Points , I did much the same in my own modding which comforts me in anticipation of what EB will eventually be like for : Great minds think alike ~;) ~D ~:cool:

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It means that our scripts and traits literally have 27,000 lines of code

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Actually, we passed the 30,000 mark a month ago I reckon.

Well, Malrubius has just rightly correct me, it's actually 60 thousand... ~:)

edit: only traits, course. Not counting ancillaries. ~D

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I think vanilla's has a few hundred.

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Yep 3 thousand to be exact.

~:)

Ahhh.. The traiters with their puny 5-digit line counts :grin:

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Originally Posted by Mr Frost

If the Generals' Bodyguards are hitpoints are lowered , then perhaps their base number {of individual bodyguards} should be increased ?

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The number of bodyguards each general has is hard-coded as well.

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Originally Posted by The_Mark

Ahhh.. The traiters with their puny 5-digit line counts :grin:

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...scripters...pfff.... :duel:

You also only have 3 files, whereas we have 5... bwahahaha! :evilgrin:

Giving bodyguards extra DS and AF is a far more sensible way to make them tougher troops than giving them an extra HP. They are the elite of the elite so it is justifible to make them even better than elite soilders, but an extra HP, IMO, is not a sound way of doing it.

There are also ancillaries and traits that can boost the chevrons of the bodyguard unit, as well as experience gained through actual battle. :duel:

I think bodyguard size may be tied somewhat to Influence and Personal Security, as well, although the jury's still out: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47146

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Originally Posted by Epistolary Richard

You also only have 3 files, whereas we have 5... bwahahaha! :evilgrin:

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We actually have 6 files, counting the ancillaries. ~;p

I haven't done a full line count of all of them, but that number kayapó quoted was from our largest file. 2 of them are very small, just listing the ancillaries and traits.

So before anyone gets carried away, imagining great things from all those lines, I must inform you that a lot of the lines in the traits file are taken up with very monotonous things, due to the limitations we work under. We don't have "or" clauses, just "and", so there's a lot of duplication. We don't have the ability to handle variables or do mathematical calculations, just comparisons. Something that might take a handful of lines in a computer program takes us thousands in the main traits file.

One trait may need hundreds of triggers for it to work properly. Like keeping track of which season it is.

Yes, that's the same with the script files. Some of the coolest features need only a few scripting lines (one of the best, in fact, only has three) but the huge bulk are made up of a few game-wide features that just need endless repetition.

My kingdom for an 'or'. :crown:

It always seems strange to me when generals rout too easily, unless it's just his personality to do so (cowardly or something). It should be pretty rare for a brave general to mess his pants and run like a rabbit, even if his bodyguard only has 1 hp. But I hadn't realized generals themselves had a bonus, so, knowing that, I don't see a problem with his men having only 1 each (they aren't elephants, I assume). Ah, a general's bodyguard mounted on elephants :) Well, in any case, any change that makes the AI use his generals more intelligently is a good one to me I think.

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Originally Posted by Danest

Didn't Caesar claim to also have personally engaged in at least one battle?

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yeah, he did at the Battle of Alesia

i always thought the hitpoints were just a reflection of the units skill, to like... make it seem that the unit were really really good at fighting.

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Originally Posted by khelvan

It means that our scripts and traits literally have 27,000 lines of code. I think vanilla's has a few hundred.

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~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek:


IS that... what's that?.,.. oh my?!

WOW!


I still don't know what that means... ~:confused:

Scripts and code? Is that what makes the game go, or what makes the game look a certain way?

This stuff:

Countdown to Open Beta - Features and Gameplay

Scripts are code, and traits are code, but scripts are not traits, and traits are not scripts. Put it all together, and we can do some neat stuff ~:grouphug:

Number of code lines its not the indicator how great features we have but its an indicator how unflexible and repetitive scripting in RTW is. So thers nothing to brag about. If script language would be less tight then we could make really great things

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Originally Posted by Malrubius

This stuff:

Countdown to Open Beta - Features and Gameplay

Scripts are code, and traits are code, but scripts are not traits, and traits are not scripts. Put it all together, and we can do some neat stuff ~:grouphug:

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Hey! I'm not hugging any scripters....they are dirty ~D

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character        Mark, general, command 6, influence 3, management 5, subterfuge 8, age 67, , x 95, y 131
traits GoodScripter 4 , GoodTactician 4 , Untidy 5 , Senile 2 , MegalomaniacLineCounter 2

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age 67

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WOW ~:eek: is that true?

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MegalomaniacLineCounter 2

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~D

LOL, no, that just fits my avatar.

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Originally Posted by khelvan

It means that our scripts and traits literally have 27,000 lines of code. I think vanilla's has a few hundred.

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Woah! Awesome! I really can't wait now!

I think that trait/ scripts stuff is going to take the immersiveness of this game to a whole new level...
Thanks.


ENSAIS

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Originally Posted by Epistolary Richard

The number of bodyguards each general has is hard-coded as well.

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Not quite !
I just tested it to be sure and you can change the base number like any other unit .

So long as you remember to change both Early and Late versions of a said Factions' Bodyguards {for some reason it crashed when I only increased the Early ones} , it works just fine in Campaign !
The size limit including extra numbers for more important Family Members is 124+General {Family Guy ~D } on Huge Setting . Thus it would be wize to set the base number at , say , 3/4 of the numbers of a normal heavy cavalry unit {would be 60 on Huge for RTR cavalry numbers for example} given the most important characters can get near to maximum numbers already when in the last decade or so of a long life {I have a Bactrian Leader in RTR whom has some 90+ Bodyguards -Huge Setting} .


It has been proven . You may now heap me with praise and glories ~D .

Personally, I'm off the opinion that a general's bodyguard should consist of no more than ten men. Someone who's security conscious could raise a special unit of protectors (ie: Praetorians).

Besides, isn't it true that the AI tends to send it's larger units in first? Maybe not, I thought I read that somewhere though.