Dispatches: Undercover Mosque

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On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.

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:yes: IIRC a significant part of the Communist Party of Great Britain's funding and active members came from MI5.

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Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags.

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And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. :juggle2: I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

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Originally Posted by English assassin

And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. :juggle2: I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.

The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.

Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.

Think about it chaps.

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I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

:wink3: :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by King Henry V

Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.

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Never claimed I had one. But I'm not the one advocating the deportation of those nasty foreigners and their Godless habits either, now am I ?

No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.

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I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.

What are you trying to do, put me out of business?

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So anyway, should all guns be banned, or only those belonging to creationists? :hide:

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Originally Posted by English assassin

So anyway, should all guns be banned, or only those belonging to creationists? :hide:

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:jumping:

OK, you can stay.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It's now Kukri's watch...:bounce:

From the article:

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Women, too, are inferior in Abu Usamah's eyes. He tells his audience: "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."

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A great big load of manure from this baboon. You would be tempted to laugh at him if it wasn’t for the fact that he has an audience. Demagogues like this (convert) lunatic thrive on audiences of likeminded fools, even if it’s a small audience. And the best demagogues, of course, are trained and financed by the most staunch and noble ally in the war on terror.


I’m not surprised though. When you pander to the lowest common denominator you’re bound to get a following.


Oh, and I love this one:

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.

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They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.

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~:rolleyes: I eat pork, and I have a mild temper.

I do, however, still get turned away at night clubs, because I’m “one of them”. A shame, as I do enjoy integrating with the clubbing community.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.

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If you narrowed it down to the demagogues with Saudi dollars, I’m all for it.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

Isn't the Mirror kind of the UK equivalent of the Nat'l Enquirer? Celeb stories, Poli scandals, sex romps and UFO sightings? If they've got undercover reporters monitoring mosques, I'd presume the gov't does too. That's not exactly "doing nothing".

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Yes its exactly like that but it was the only link at the time there is probably a better one by now.
It was the tv program I was wandering about the clerics, they talking about who wear taking about hitting 10 year old girls for not wearing the hijab (head to tow in black), saying paedophilia is ok because the prophet mohammed married a 10 year old girl, blowing up Indian business killing Jews and all other non-Muslims, they where also taking about brainwashing at one point.
And thanks for that Marshal Murat I thought it was something like that but it wouldn’t be a republic they don’t believe in that sort of nonsense apparently,

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Originally Posted by Watchman

No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.

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That would depend on the consequences of a lack of a solution.

The Patently Wrong one would turn out worse per definition.

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport them whenever legally possible.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".

I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport if legally possible, imprison otherwise.

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There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

It occurs to me that the main test of integration is whether you identify more with where you "come from" or where you are.

The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

As to an "Islamic Republic" in Britain, it won't ever happen, there's already a backlash and multi-culturalism has been binned. Long before any minoriety group become truely significant the British will drive them out, litterally.

Right now the English, including myself, are willing to put up with quite a lot but any remotely serious rumblings of an Islamic state would put a lot of us, probably myself included, on the litteral warpath.

I will fight tooth and nail to protect my way of life, but I'd much rather not have to.

A new religious war in Europe is becomming one of my reccuring nightmares.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

We all saw what happened in France last year.

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We saw Muslim leaders and youths siding with the French government against home-grown terrorism, Iraqi kidnappers and anti-Israeli hate propaganda from Syria. Is that what you mean?

Probably not.

I guess it depends on what tv channel 'we all' tune in to. :inquisitive:

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The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?

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no that test fails miserably because England are crap at cricket .:laugh4:
How many of the plastics down the pub do you see shouting for Ireland against England in the Rugby ?

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Originally Posted by Watchman

The Patently Wrong one would turn out worse per definition.

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If severe civil disturbance were to occur, then I fail to see how the deportation of seditious members of a group would be a worse alternative.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

We saw Muslim leaders and youths siding with the French government against home-grown terrorism, Iraqi kidnappers and anti-Israeli hate propaganda from Syria. Is that what you mean?

Probably not.

I guess it depends on what tv channel 'we all' tune in to. :inquisitive:

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That story didnt reach us across the pond

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".

Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.

However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.

When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.

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I don't think that outside funding (including from S.A.) should be refused to mosques or islamic organisations at all times, however the source would have to be reviewed.

I too, recognise the value of free speech - if one was to say he would like to see Sharia law implemented in my country, that's part of his right. However if he says that muslims should implement it by overthrowing the existing laws and state...

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Muslims must grow in strength... then take over.

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This quote is however vague, possibly on purpose. (and it's of course possible that Bobby deliberately replaced part of the text with those dots to suggest) he could argue in court that he meant that a majority of muslims should be converted and then implement their ideas via democracy. Not much room for a criminal charge here.
Still, it's mildly discomforting.

Wasn't there an anti-hate speech law passed in the UK like, last year or so ? :inquisitive:
I can't remember precisely, but I was pretty sure it was at least proposed... didn't it pass ?

I think it was revised not to long ago, and a government spokesman said they might do it again because some BNP chiefs weren't found guilty in trial :inquisitive:

Edit: Douple Post.

Personally I'm far more afraid of the Neo-Nazi's, the Christian Fundamentalists, and the Klu Klux Klan than I am of the Muslims, who seem rather complacent and don't want to be hassled by the government. They keep a low profile, in hopes that eventually people will forget about them, but in fact it just seems to make people more suspicious. Islam needs to open up a little bit and be less reserved, if you show someone a monster really isn't hiding in the closet, people will tend to believe you.

I've been called a Kek and a Dirty Jew by a few people before... and I'm German-Irish Catholic. :laugh4:

A depressing - though not too surprising - investigation into what is being preached at the major mosques of Britain:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...er_Mosque&only

Part I 7:35-
"By the age of ten it becomes an obligation of us to force her to wear the hijab. And if she doesn't wear hijab we hit her"

I'm sure that doesn't mean any women in Britain are actually being forced to wear it, that it is 'their own choice' to completely cover themselves and we're all just intolerant racists if we say it shouldn't be worn in western society :rolleyes:

CR

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Wow Rabbit , you managed to miss a whole two page topic on this.
A depressing - though not too surprising - occurance~;)

I wanted to start a new thread with the actual video, thank you very much.

Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this? (And not some useless drivel, unrelated to the topic or actual discussion, like what tribesy posted (A depressing - though not at all surprising - occurance ~;p))

The preachers in this video want to make England into an Islamic state, to prosecute unbelievers and wage jihad on others. What is Britain going to do?

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I wanted to start a new thread with the actual video, thank you very much.

Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this?

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I couldnt get the vid to work, but i dont think anyone would claim "all muslims" are peaceful, its only a very small minority in question

--> prob best to stick to original thread....

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this?

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I prefer to leave the crude generalizations to your side, sir. ~;p

Besides, a certain quota of jerks is a statistical inevitability.

...this thread is redunant, you know ?

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Originally Posted by King Henry V

If severe civil disturbance were to occur, then I fail to see how the deportation of seditious members of a group would be a worse alternative.

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You may have noted the original post I was referring to did not have the conditional you put in.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

That story didnt reach us across the pond

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HAHA! And that's where 'we all' live!

Seems you guys have a cancer in your country.

It is a particularly sad satiation when the enemy can prosper and become more powerful within your own borders and the leadership is too weak to do anything about it. :no: