New Paris Tapes: Sooner than Expected?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Why is she being punished for a lax sheriff?

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That was my original thought, but then she did claim a medical condition that she couldn't back up to get out of jail. It's pretty much a given that the sherrif got bribed. The judge had specifically asked for proff of the medical condition but none was given.


And her behaviour (very calm three days ago, histerical now) indicates this was all planned. The original verdict specified that she had to serve her time in jail. She showed bad behaviour, she has to do all of it now.

That said, I think she is being judged rather harshly now, I fully support tough sentences for drunk drivers (hell, they can try all of them for attempted murder if it were up to me), but according to the article, she's been giving a tougher sentence than most people would have gotten.

Well...

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The judge interrupted several times to say that he had received a call last Wednesday from an undersheriff informing him that Hilton had a medical condition and that he would submit papers to the judge to consider. He said the papers never arrived.

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Hilton's attorney, Richard Hutton, implored the judge to order a hearing in his chambers at which he would hear testimony about Hilton's medical condition before making a decision.

The judge did not respond to that suggestion.

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Sounds fishy.

Well, regardless of the whole sheriff/judge wrangling (and that sheriff is in a LOT of trouble if you guys are right) I think Paris is about to enter a whole new world when it comes to physical relationships. I actually feel bad for her, getting thrown into general population when you're that famous? You're guaranteed to get raped, man or woman.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Well, regardless of the whole sheriff/judge wrangling (and that sheriff is in a LOT of trouble if you guys are right) I think Paris is about to enter a whole new world when it comes to physical relationships. I actually feel bad for her, getting thrown into general population when you're that famous? You're guaranteed to get raped, man or woman.

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Someone will watch for her, no warden would want to risk that sort of publicity.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

That said, I think she is being judged rather harshly now, I fully support tough sentences for drunk drivers (hell, they can try all of them for attempted murder if it were up to me), but according to the article, she's been giving a tougher sentence than most people would have gotten.

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True, but if she tried to game the system, she deserves what she is getting. The sheriff is in trouble as well, I imagine.

As for "hard time", she is being held in a special wing for high-profile inmates, so it's unlikely that she needs to worry about dropping the soap. As a plus, it's probably cheaper and more effective than some celebrity detox clinic.

I'm just saying, she may come out of the pokey, looking for a date with Ellen DeGeneres. This is a huge problem I have with the American criminal justice system, that it seems unwilling, or unable, to provide for people's safety and physical integrity. When you take somebody into custody, you're responsible for them. And nobody deserves to be repeatedly raped (man or woman, by men or by women) for their crimes. It makes a mockery of our justice system. The only consolation I can find is that supposedly (and I have no statistics on it) is that its nowhere near as prevalant as popular culture seems to think. It happens, but not all the time, every inmate...

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Well, regardless of the whole sheriff/judge wrangling (and that sheriff is in a LOT of trouble if you guys are right) I think Paris is about to enter a whole new world when it comes to physical relationships. I actually feel bad for her, getting thrown into general population when you're that famous? You're guaranteed to get raped, man or woman.

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Where does it say she'll get thrown in general population ? She'll just get her own little private cell back.

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Originally Posted by drone

True, but if she tried to game the system, she deserves what she is getting. The sheriff is in trouble as well, I imagine.

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Well, that's what parole on good behaviour is about, you're cooperative and don't try to 'game the system' or escape, at least imo.

I wonder if the role of the sherrif and his motivation for releasing her is going to be investigated, I'd hope so.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

I wonder if the role of the sherrif and his motivation for releasing her is going to be investigated, I'd hope so.

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I can all but guarantee it. If he took a bribe to acknowledge her medical condition and let her out, he may be facing a little time himself.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Where does it say she'll get thrown in general population ? She'll just get her own little private cell back.

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Yup, it was stated early on that she'd have a private cell.

I missed the bit about a private cell. Only seems fair since she'll have a huge bullseye on her back the whole time. That being said, isn't that the same as being in solitary?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I missed the bit about a private cell. Only seems fair since she'll have a huge bullseye on her back the whole time. That being said, isn't that the same as being in solitary?

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Strange according to swedish newspapers she has a roommate that was handpicked because she wouldn't cause Paris any troubles.

Solitary confinement. :inquisitive: Hmmmm....If so, barring meal times, that would leave Ms. Hilton alone -- with only her thoughts for company -- for as long as six weeks. There's a bit of irony in that, no?


Ultimately, this sentencing etc. is a fiasco. My country is spending millions of dollars on the reportage of this series of escapades and I don't even want to think about the hours of work time wasted over this. Iraq, Afghanistan, Polish prisons, Congress failure to deal with immigration, the Jefferson arraignment -- all of this is sidelined in favor of the redolent tripe of this episode in "justice."


For celebs, with misdemeanors/no victims, its probably just wiser to fine them and move on. They are, by definition, among the "beautiful people" to whom such tawdry minutia should not apply -- and all of us are punished when some well-intentioned soul insists on treating them the same as the rest of us. All the money and adulation mean that we have to cope with an inane circus with everyone falling all over themselves to assert that everything is being handled "normally." That is fatuous at best. Move on, cut the losses and get back to life.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm just saying, she may come out of the pokey, looking for a date with Ellen DeGeneres. This is a huge problem I have with the American criminal justice system, that it seems unwilling, or unable, to provide for people's safety and physical integrity. When you take somebody into custody, you're responsible for them. And nobody deserves to be repeatedly raped (man or woman, by men or by women) for their crimes. It makes a mockery of our justice system. The only consolation I can find is that supposedly (and I have no statistics on it) is that its nowhere near as prevalant as popular culture seems to think. It happens, but not all the time, every inmate...

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Don, I'm replying to the bolded bit:


(Warning: the links point to pages from the Human Rights Watch's website. While there is no profane language that I've noticed, some of the links contain descriptions of a ... shall we say, unsavory nature.)

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_prisons&document_limit=60,20

Check out the 3 lines that summarize the findings of the third listed article.

Also, check this out, from here: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report7.html

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Originally Posted by The Article

Past academic research has confirmed the prevalence of underreporting. The 1996 Nebraska study found that only 29 percent of victimized inmates had informed prison officials of the abuses they suffered.(364) Similarly, a 1988 survey of correctional officers in Texas found that 73 percent of respondents believed that inmates do not report rape to officials.(365) A groundbreaking 1968 study of Philadephia penal institutions found that of an estimated 2,000 rapes that occurred, only ninety-six had been reported to prison authorities.(366)

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From the same report:

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None of the types of prison rape described [what he calls "confidence rape," "extortion rape," "strong arm rape," etc.] are rare. If anything they are rarely reported. To give you an idea of how frequent rape is in prison, if victims would report every time they were raped in prison I would say that in the prison that I am in (which is a medium minimum security prison) there would be a reported incident every day.

--Pennsylvania inmate.

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That is why "popular culture" doesn't know much about it - because correctional facilities keep little, if any, statistics. And no, the reason they don't keep statistics is not because "it's not a problem", as the numerous confessions and reports of inmates present everywhere through the (378 pages) Human Rights Watch report repeatedly explain.

Btw, Don, please don't take this as a jibe against you personally, or anything like that. You just made a statement which I happen to disagree with, and I'm trying to provide some evidence that things are not as "ok" as popular opinion seems to believe. My reply is in no way "personal", but I replied because until not long ago, I was sharing your opinions myself, and I believe that many others among us do.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Solitary confinement. :inquisitive: Hmmmm....If so, barring meal times, that would leave Ms. Hilton alone -- with only her thoughts for company -- for as long as six weeks. There's a bit of irony in that, no?

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Alone with her thoughts? Hmm, oughta be pretty quiet then. :laugh4:

No offense taken, Blodrast. I was hoping that wasn't the case, but :shame: . Seriously? I'd kill myself before I'd do any length of time. I couldn't face getting raped and what have I got for 'street-cred' once I get in there?

Best thing you can do when you go to Max Security is get in a brawl, doesn't matter if you win or lose, if people know your willing to fight they leave you alone for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

No offense taken, Blodrast. I was hoping that wasn't the case, but :shame: . Seriously? I'd kill myself before I'd do any length of time. I couldn't face getting raped and what have I got for 'street-cred' once I get in there?

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Good, I'm glad you didn't take it personally, especially since it wasn't meant that way. :bow:
Like I said, I had the same opinion myself, until I started reading some material on the topic. It is ... shocking, to say the least. To me, at any rate. And even more scary, since I'm white, and not exactly with an imposing physique. And I, as well as a number of inmates, share your opinions on getting raped - if you spend more time on those pages, you'll see quite a few of them saw suicide as the only escape. Either that, or become one of the others, so you can survive.

Anyway, I apologize for somewhat hijacking the thread, and also for feeding you all such depressing material right before the weekend and all that. But at the very least we can, and probably should, be aware of some of the more unsavory aspects of the society we're all living in.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

No offense taken, Blodrast. I was hoping that wasn't the case, but :shame: . Seriously? I'd kill myself before I'd do any length of time. I couldn't face getting raped and what have I got for 'street-cred' once I get in there?

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Dude, all you have to do is either beat someone up on your first day, or start collecting "underlings" (can't say the real word, remember?). Else I'd watch your butt. Also, I don;t mean to shock you, but:

WARNING: REAL SCREWED UP STUFF:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html

Also, I got something cool:

EDIT: Some may consider the picture cool, but there is a point where exulting in the misery of others, no matter how deserved, is no longer appropriate for this forum. Removed link. BG

I know we have a prison guard here on the board, so I'd like to hear his input. I don't know about medium security prisons, but I have a relative who's a guard at a maximum security prison in PA. There's basically nothing an inmate can do, where they aren't watched by a guard. Assaults can and do happen- but they're always responded to quickly by guards and, obviously, documented. I know for sure that rape isn't a daily occurrence there.

If prison and government officials under report I also expect that HRW is over estimating the results of their studies.

*Why the hell are we discussing this in a Paris Hilton thread?

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

*Why the hell are we discussing this in a Paris Hilton thread?

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Apparently because people want Paris to be lezzy-raped.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I'm just saying, she may come out of the pokey, looking for a date with Ellen DeGeneres. This is a huge problem I have with the American criminal justice system, that it seems unwilling, or unable, to provide for people's safety and physical integrity. When you take somebody into custody, you're responsible for them. And nobody deserves to be repeatedly raped (man or woman, by men or by women) for their crimes. It makes a mockery of our justice system. The only consolation I can find is that supposedly (and I have no statistics on it) is that its nowhere near as prevalant as popular culture seems to think. It happens, but not all the time, every inmate...

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I agree, not all criminals who serve sentences are guilty, and many aren't serving for the worst of crimes (heck don't some people get to choose jail instead of fines when they can't afford to pay them, for instance?). Security of the prisoners is a necessity in a democracy.

Why doesn't someone start another thread about prison abuse ? This really isn't the place for that. This is place is for being the lesser man and enjoying the misfortunes of the rich and famous !

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Originally Posted by TB666

Strange according to swedish newspapers she has a roommate that was handpicked because she wouldn't cause Paris any troubles.

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From what i read, there was a roommate selected but she had the cell all to herself since they had sufficient space to put all the 'special' prisoners into their own cells.

I heard that she was having a nervous breakdown due to the fact that she isn't allowed moisturiser and leg wax. The trials and tribulations of a 'special one'.

The bit that made me chuckle was when she insisted on attending court via a telephone. The judge took a differing view and had her brought to him in chains. So let's re-cap.

She gets caught driving over the proscribed limit. Goes to court and gets her licence suspended. A few weeks later she is caught driving and given a ticking off. (unbelievable) Then a few weeks after that she is again stopped, this time for speeding as well. This time the officer did his job and she is summoned to court. She gets 45 days in the nick, this is reduced immediately to 23 for 'good behaviour'. :dizzy2:

She hands herself in and gets the orange makeover she aspires to. A couple of days later her psychiatrist convinces the sheriff that she should be released and she is. The judge hears about this (here come the judge, here come the judge :yes: ) and the rest we know.

Now I have an admission to make. Back in '87 I got caught driving OPL and was banned for a year. If I had driven in that time I would have expected to go to gaol. She gets caught 3 times, spends 2 days in't nick......draw your own conclusions. :sweatdrop: