This tread was played out long ago...
...and my offerings were just the case in point, and words to the wise for further reference.
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This tread was played out long ago...
...and my offerings were just the case in point, and words to the wise for further reference.
I remember reading somewher that grabbing someone elses moustache was almost the ultimate insult. Don't quote me though.
I don't get it? Have you not heard about the Neanderthal Genome Project?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmacq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_Genome_Project
Foot
Well, that sample of part of one bone, looks very interesting? What do you think?
CmacQ
Indeed, I think that is one of the sources from whence came to be his thesis on the DNA. He went on to explain that now one could get DNA out of fossilized bones (only Mitochondrial or whatever is it named in English), but they could not recover the full DNA sequence because that was corrupted not too long from the death of the organism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foot
Well the main point with a lot of language is that it isn't used very carefully. "Fossilised" may not be quite adequate, but what *is* certainly possible is that a sort of air-thight seal was created around the object containing the DNA. (This tends to happen with stuff caught in a mud-flood for instance.) Such a seal would have prevented much of the "usual" damage DNA would undergo, though it must be said that DNA is a highly unstable substance so the object containing the DNA must have been very large or by default very isolated (e.g.: parts of the root of a tooth).
Didn't they find a dinosaur drumstick with meat still on it? Maybe there's DNA in that?
As for my blood, its been in Ireland and not doubt some of my ancestors have called themselves Gaelic, Goidel, Celtic, as well as English, Jewish, Francais, Romani, Sweboz, Boz Boz Boz, Triarii, and Grunt (or "Grnt" in Egyptian).
I conside myself a Pig of the Magpie totem, and you can insult me by denigrating my tribal or personal animal spirit. That or saying I'm a neanderthal (those splitters!).
Very well,
actually the pig/boar would indeed be a Celt/Gaulish totem, and a sign of noblity/kingship. The magpie/crow the Celtic/Gaulish symbol for prowess at war. See M Valerius and his personal combat with a giant Gaul and the crow. The boar was depicted on Gaulish coins and artifacts more than any other animal, except of course the horse.
CmacQ
The Neanderthalensis is normally dated from 130.000/32.000 B.P. (Before Present). Whereas dinossaurs generally ended about 65.000.000 B.P. Since the timeline difference is not that great, yeah, maybe they'll find meat on a dinosaur's bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
There are several processes by which fossilisation can take place. Not all involve total replacement of the organic material. In any case, the Neanderthal bones used to extract the DNA are relatively young and so can have some fragmentary DNA left.
The occasional 'mummified dinosaur' (I remember there being one found when I was a kid and this search threw up a more recent one- both duck billed dinosaurs interestingly) has soft parts preserved, but they have been replaced by mineral- so no Jurassic Park for you.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...dinomummy.html
I have no doubt that most people in Europe, and a majority in North America and Australia will have ancestors who are considered 'celts' (incidentally, is Keltoi Greek for the people around Massalia or the people of Pannonia?), along with a vast assortment of others, including Attila the Hun, probably. You can't call them all Celtic. Well you can, but that would be meaningless.
'Dinosaur mummies' are not all that uncommon, but they are simply fossilized remains of the soft tissues of an animal. A Tyrannosaurus rex skeleton found some years ago, however, actually included some soft tissue in the femur:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/
Does speaking a Celtic language make one a Celt? As opposed to utilising a Haltstatt or La Tene material culture.
Now I'm upset. Does that mean I'm a celt?~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
A quick wiki search (for what thats worth) says the first mentions put the Keltoi in W or SW Germany and at the root of the Danube. So I think Bavaria/Switzerland is intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
I knew he was a brother! Drank so hard on his wedding night his head popped before he could get to the bride! Now thats a true Celt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeran
Continuing to my previous post, but back to the Celt topic, and on the DNA issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
If Neanderthalensis DNA was already extracted from the previous timelines I mentioned before, how much more likely would it be to retrieve DNA from highly preserved Eastern Red-hairs in China (Celtic or otherwise), from 4.000/2.000 B.P., and be compared with other Celtic remains/present-day people? So yeah, I'd believe that could be done.
Well, Cadwalader had a very interesting idea, a few others had good suggestions, and Paullus tried his hardest to get this thread back on topic, but I'm afraid it didn't work. My intent was not to create a war over who the Celts were, but rather to accumulate research information for my story. Thanks all that tried to help. The rest of you--can keep arguing. . . :2thumbsup:
put the price of there wine up :P although that'll just get them to turn you into there bitch :whip: