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Re: Things you learned from playing vanilla RTW
I have to admit that I myeslf never heard too much about the Seleucid Empire before I bought Rome :embarassed:
And I also learned a lot from it - I hadn't known about the kind of warfare the romans had before the Marian Reforms.
I had never heard of a Ptolemaic Dynasty before (actually only the name Cleoptar seeemd fermiliar).
I had hardly heard of Phyruss before (I guess EB depicts him more accuratly but Rome also mentioned him)
I also got some insight on how ancient warfare worked - before that I couldn't even Imagine it - movies were to predetermined for me:laugh4:
It was the spark which started my interest for Ancient history - till then I was only interested about the history of the 20. century.
And a few more guestions to the people:
Who was Attila??
Name atleast two theories about his death...:juggle2: (I'm not really expectig an answer)
Who was the first Emperor of the Rome Empire?
Which Roman emperor ordered the consturction of the Wall (or boder defense) in Northern England?
(and a funny one:laugh4:: Was the Seldjuk Empire the direct heir to the Seleucid empire?:laugh4::laugh4:
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I learned that pigs set on fire help fighting elephants! Invaluable knowledege, that is 4 sure!
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I learnt that worshipping certain gods makes you a better fighter or improves how sharp your sword is.
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There are some funny comments on this thread :laugh4:
However, I have to say, Ancient History (however important WE might think it to be) is a very intricate and specialist period that is not studied (in detail or often at all) by the vast majority of people, even those who have received an excellent education. Instead all our societies have people that study this branch of knowledge in order for it to be kept alive for the rest of us. It really is not a necessary for the average person to know what and where Bactria was for example.
I will propose some alternative questions for those above to see if really we as a forum really know so much about other periods of history as our own. Obviously looking at wiki/google etc is cheating.
1. Name three tribes/clans conquered by Shaka Zulu.
2. Where in the world are the earliest cave paintings found?
3. Who lived in Tikal and why provide one recognised theory as to why the city fell?
ANyway, Im sorry if Ive offended anyone, but really IMO its unreasonable to expect "normal" people to know a great deal about ancient history. In the same way many of us might struggle to explain even the most basic concepts of quantum physics.
Its far more important for people to understand the basics of where their own nation/civilization came from and where is stands in the world today. And Im not even going to get into the whole social history vs factual history debate.
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Re: Things you learned from playing vanilla RTW
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Maeran
As for Spore. It's quite fun.
Spore=SUCK i aint taking THAT kind of customer BS for a game that aint replayable. Sims was awesome, Spore sucked donkey bawlz.
As for what i learnd from RTW it learned pretty much the same as HunGeneral.
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Honestly, RTW has taught me a lot, more than the history lessons in school. By playing the game I started to get interested in ancient history. I guess it's because of the huge difference of reading a text about the Battle of the Trebia and playing it yourself...
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Cambyses
However, I have to say, Ancient History (however important WE might think it to be) is a very intricate and specialist period that is not studied (in detail or often at all) by the vast majority of people, even those who have received an excellent education. Instead all our societies have people that study this branch of knowledge in order for it to be kept alive for the rest of us. It really is not a necessary for the average person to know what and where Bactria was for example.
I agree ont that. Most people who know alot about a certain area of knowledge mostly do because there personal interest not necesserealy the need to know or because they can use it in Real Life.:yes:
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Cambyses
Its far more important for people to understand the basics of where their own nation/civilization came from and where is stands in the world today.
Thats true. Most peoples should know where they come from.
Every Nation expects there citizens to have some basic knowledge about there past.(usually something others wouldn't care about)
Cambyses brought some quite good exampels:
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Cambyses
1. Name three tribes/clans conquered by Shaka Zulu.
2. Where in the world are the earliest cave paintings found?
3. Who lived in Tikal and why provide one recognised theory as to why the city fell?
(I really wonder if anyone knows the answers?)
I just remembered some myself:
1 Who did Saint Stephan (I.) "offer" his kingdom to after his son (and only heir) died in a hunting accident? - more a cultural than political effect.
2.Why do the Bells ring at noon? (If anyone can answer this please do:yes: - I'd really like to know if anyone here knows it:yes:)
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HunGeneral
Name atleast two theories about his death::laugh4:
He banged a Goth chick too vigorously and drowned in his own blood.
Do we even need a second theory?
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Re: Things you learned from playing vanilla RTW
I learned that Berserkers existed 1000 years before the Vikings.
I learned that lines of succession were always simple and uncontested.
I learned that revolting peasants fought with nothing but small knives.
I learned that it's possible to "train" peasants, and yet after enlisted in the army they are still referred to as "peasants."
I learned that peasants always fight in a perfect circle.
I learned that a single trireme can hold an army of 2000, including 20 elephants, 160 horses, and 3 catapults.
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Time for some Barbarian Invasion guys.
I learnt that Berbers were already Muslims even though Mohhamad (Spell?) was born 300 years after the game actually starts.
I learnt that Western Roman Empire governers sucked up 50% of the cities income.
I learnt that The Eastern Roman Empire had better copies of Cataphracts than their neighbours.
I learnt that it took only 3-6 turns to convert a city.
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And for Alexander
I learned while garrisoning the town "Bactria", Alexander acquired the trait "Sober". I found it strange considering he was an alcoholic.
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I learned from BI vanilla that my ancestors were perfume wearing, silk cushioned pansies whose best troops can't even fight the lowest grade romans and sassanids, and had not the slightest hint of civilization (guess that's jahiliyyah):clown:. same for the amazighen*:no:
I learned that the romans in BI had crappy troops, with less armor and training of the days of Caesar.*(yeah, right-way more complex):clown:
I learned that the sassanids had exactly the same basic all cavalry cruddy infantry of the Parthians (In RTW Vanilla)*.:clown:
*I knew better.:laugh4:
this makes me wonder:
@TPC: Arabs in Sweden are telling ye that pre-Islamic north arabians (Arabs) had nothing? If so, there is a SERIOUS misunderstanding on there part:no:
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Re: Things you learned from playing vanilla RTW
1) I learned that Scipio,Scipionis was actually a second declension noun
2)I learned that the Romans had to build the Pantheon in order to learn how to construct the Covus
3)I learned that militia hoplites were so poor that they couldn't even afford shirts
4)I learned that Parthia was clearly the richest Empire at the time because all of them, even the peasants, could afford to dye all their clothes purple
5)I learned that nobody lived north of Hadrian's Wall. In fact, the only reason the Romans didn't expand north of their British provinces was because there was nothing there, it was literally the edge of the world.
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Actually, it's where the term "Black hole" stems from.
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I learned that if you have two units of Praetorian units of Cavalry nothing can beat you, no matter the quality of your infantry.
I also learned that America was even more influenced by Romans than I previously thought, even our accents are similar!
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kekailoa
I'm sorry, but all those questions that you guys came up with I don't think ten percent of the population anywhere in the world be able to answer those.
I think more basic questions like these would be more along the lines of answerable queries.
"What is your name?"
"How old are you?"
"Do you like ice cream?"
I kid. But I'm serious, some questions are extremely specific. The first two, about Hannibal and Carthage seem decent enough, but asking about Baktria and the development of Roman military tactics would be too much for people who don't even know where Iraq is.
I'm not even being a elitist snob.
Questions maybe like this could be acceptable:
Who were the Romans?
Who was murdered by his fellow senators, uttering the famous lines "Et tu, Brutus?"
Who were the Celts? Where did they live?
Who was Hannibal, and where did he come from?
Describe Pre-Dark Ages history of the British Isles.
If Caesar really spoke out these legendary words, It would be: Et tu Brute.
Vocative, Vocative!!
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I always thought he said "και συ, τεκνον?"
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yeah some say he said it in greek....
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Hax
I always thought he said "και συ, τεκνον?"
either suetonius or Tacitus, just can't remember.:wall:
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Hax
I always thought he said "και συ, τεκνον?"
Actually Hax, that would be "καὶ σὺ τέκνον".
Diacritics, Diacritics!!
Which of course is far from "You too, Brutus?", more like "You too, my child?". Personally I prefer the version were Ceasar says "You too my son", not as a question, but in reference to a well-known Greek sentence "You too my son, will have a taste of power.", foreshadowing Brutus own violent (though slightly less involuntary) death.
Of course, most likely he didn´t say nothing, just like Plutarch and Suetonius reports.
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Ibrahim
either suetonius or Tacitus, just can't remember.:wall:
Suetonius said that some people claimed Ceasar said "καὶ σὺ τέκνον" when he died, though Suetonius himself claims that Ceasar didn´t actually say anything at all.
IIRC, no ancient historian what so ever claims Ceasar said anything in Latin. Not sure who first used it in Latin, oldest I can find is in Richard Eedes' Latin play Caesar Interfectus, 1582, though it appears it might have been used before that.
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Skullheadhq
If Caesar really spoke out these legendary words, It would be: Et tu Brute.
Vocative, Vocative!!
I apologize.
Latin has never been my strong suit. In fact, I know all my latin from this forum and EB.
That's pretty bad.
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Re: Things you learned from playing vanilla RTW
I learned that:
The world is really flat
The Oliphaunt actually existed
Phalanxes settled disputes with dance-offs-- no actual fighting took place
An army of dogs led by a general could defeat an army of generals led by the AI
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