That was the 2nd part of your post, I was replying to the first part about locking them up and throwing away the key, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
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That was the 2nd part of your post, I was replying to the first part about locking them up and throwing away the key, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Well i already explained that in my original post. Ofcourse courts decesion is needed for them to be sentenced..While they maintain alive in jail if any new evidence springs up, their case can be reconsidered in court of law. What is your problem exactly with harsh penalties over such heinious crimes?
Fair enough then, you could commit suicide. If you wish to decide that you deserve death that's up to you, personally I don't think anybody, or group of people, has the right to say anybody else deserves to die, no matter what they have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
That is completely matter of point of view. By that logic you should also reject killing in war and for example death sentences given out by court marshalls in times of war. It is a nice ideal that no man or group of men should not take lives of others, but thats all what it is. Ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
It's true that a mistake would be irreversable, but when guilt is beyond reasonable doubt, confession, forensic evidence, I really see no reason to keep them alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
When you join the military you know what you are siging up for, and killing in war is totally different. The other side is trying to kill you too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
You forget that most countries still today have mandatory military service, which means you dont get to choose. If you are citizen you are egliglible for military service. Now you can serve time in prison to evade service during peace time, but that doesnt apply to wartime, when you will be shot for desertion if you dont follow orders given to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
In the end human societies are based on violence of majority which is given to them by constitutions of our Nations. Ultimately if you dont follow the rules of society, thus rebel against the government which draws its power from constitution you are eglible for death sentence in any country.
When i said i would not mind killing off criminals caught in act of most heinious crimes. That was practical advice as the situation can be resolved without benefit of doubt. If there is any doubt, death sentence becomes impractical because innocents will be executed sooner or later.
The death penalty has always been assumed to be like that. And yet there are many instances, such as poor Timothy Evans, where all the evidence at first appears to point towards an innocent man for a crime deserving the death penalty. You can never be 100% sure that someone is guilty, which is why the death penalty is unjustifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Also, punishment isn't that good of a deterrent. Anyone who commits a crime goes in thinking they will not get caught anyway.
That is true, it's of no use for discouraging criminals especially child-killers. But there is also the element of retribution. They deserve to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I didn't realize this thread started last year. I was blown away at the sudden tragedy.
The news has been airing things like this for a long time. It's about time that we figure out a way to prevent this from happening again. Right now, I can think of giving every kid a whistle or a mace. Make people be aware of any suspicious activities, such as a stranger waiting on the road or following someone for too long. I know these things don't happen often, but it takes just one tragedy to ruin it all so people must watch out at all times. Do schools educate children to watch out for strangers like they did before?
Over here, you cannot even go near a child that is yours without "paedophile" alarms ringing around everywhere. So if you ever come here, do not even go near a child, get a bargepole and push them out of the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
Let's say hypothetical example, you are walking down the street and you see Lemur with little-Lemur, and you say hello, and you sort of bend over and wave at little-Lemur. Before you know it, Lemur is grabbing his child away from you, police appear out of no where, handcuff you, and stick you in the partyvan and you end up on a sex offenders register and branded "Paedophile" from the press. This is the culture/environment/impression given off by the media and peoples overzealous 'protection'.
R.I.P
It's not much, but her website invites visitors to light a virtual candle. Perhaps this would be a good way for .org members who are isolated from the family and the area to pass on their condolences. You can do so here:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=Amber
LA Times reports that the guy arrested for another rape-murder also confessed to killing Amber. He'll do life without parole.
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With his head bowed, Gardner admitted Friday to Superior Court Judge David Danielsen that he strangled Chelsea and stabbed Amber. He also admitted to attacking a female jogger Dec. 27 in a rape attempt at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The victim managed to escape Gardner's grasp.
Something for the family. Not much but something.
There's no way someone like Amber's murderer will ever rehabilitate. It's just impossible. He killed two girls and tried to rape one who fortunately escaped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
Neither does a life sentence do anything. For some people prison is luxury.
Life sentences keep them off the streets. What do you achieve by killing more people?Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
About $120,000 (2.5 times my household gross income, before taxes) saved in prison maintenance costs per year, per perpetrator. Gardner is a 31yo white male, who already has cost society over 2 million dollars cleaning up after him, with a life expectancy of about 60 more years. 60 x 120K = 7 million, 200 thousand USD not spent warehousing an unrepentant, unremorseful, unrehabilitate-able human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
I share Subotan's "...moral ickiness of the state taking the life of one of it's own citizens...", but, if serial, chronic paedo's are truly un-fixable (which up until this moment I would have disagreed with in principle, but bowing to the words of penal, psychiatric, psychologic, and statistical experts) : I'm willing to squint my eyes, hold my nose, and pull the trigger.
I'm not saying that this guy can be rehabilitated. I highly doubt that he can, and by all means, he should be locked away until the end of his days. That is effectively a death penalty, but with the added bonus of it being A. Correctable (Even though he confessed, it is still possible that we have the wrong guy, See: Timothy Evans), and B. Morally Justifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Such an ignorant statement can only come from someone who has absolutely no understanding of what prison is like. The justice system grinds you up and spits you out a shell of a man, regardless of whether you're guilty or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
I remember reading somewhere that it's often just as, and sometimes more expensive, to execute someone, as you have to go through a tortuously long legal process, whilst the culprit languishes on death row. It certainly doesn't save a huge amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
I still think it's wrong. It brings the state, and by definition the nation down to the same level as this monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan