Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Rhyfelwyr
O RLY? In that case I'll sign for San Marino, I reckon I could make their team and I get to play against the top guys in the world...
No problemo. Just gain citizenship, and if you don't have international games for another side, you're free to play for San Marino. Where you're born is irrelevant to which national side you play for. What matters is your citizenship. Hence why Patrick Vieira could play for France, even though he's from Senegal.
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Rhyfelwyr
Anyway, I'm not meaning to argue that football is bad, since I like football, it's my favourite sport and I played it up until I was maybe 15 or so, and I still go to watch my local team every week. But it is silly how this argument is getting so polarised, football can bring good and bad sides, OK? :yes:
YES!
Have I ever said anything else? Like you have argued that religion has positive effects, I have argued that football has positive effects. Because you linked football with domestic violence, I linked christianity with domestic violence. Tit for tat.
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
Tit for tat.
AKA revenge, and since when is that a good thing? :inquisitive:
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Husar
AKA revenge, and since when is that a good thing? :inquisitive:
You're German, Husar, I understand why you wouldn't want people to take revenge for what germany has done in the past.... ~;)
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
I'm not sure if that something anyone would consider anyway, remembering what happened after Versailles.. :smash:
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
No problemo. Just gain citizenship, and if you don't have international games for another side, you're free to play for San Marino. Where you're born is irrelevant to which national side you play for. What matters is your citizenship. Hence why Patrick Vieira could play for France, even though he's from Senegal.
It's not that simple, Viera, Henry etc only got to play for France due to Senegal being a former colony, otherwise they wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Hey, will you be decked in the national colours next Wednesday with a flag on your wall like a good fan/nationalist? We're gonna get revenge after that donkey Iwelumo let you off the hook last time...
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HoreTore
YES!
Have I ever said anything else? Like you have argued that religion has positive effects, I have argued that football has positive effects. Because you linked football with domestic violence, I linked christianity with domestic violence. Tit for tat.
Bah! Some people were suggesting that sport is all good and always works to bring people together, I simply said that that is not always the case. And then you brought up Christianity! :whip:
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
It's not that simple, Viera, Henry etc only got to play for France due to Senegal being a former colony, otherwise they wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Henry was born outside Paris.
And yes, it is that simple. Get citizenship, and you can play for the national team. The reason it rarely happens, is because good players usually get their national debut before they've played 3-5 years in a foreign league... But we(as in Norway) are always trying to convince the foreign goalies to switch nationality to play for our national team, as our own goalies are.... well, I'm trying to avoid warning points, so.... And we also tried it with Alanzinho before he was sold off to turkey.
For more examples, I give you:
- Mikkel Diskerud, from Oslo, declared for the US
- Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose, from Poland, playing for Germany
- Eduardo da Silva, born in Rio, playing for Croatia
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
Hey, will you be decked in the national colours next Wednesday with a flag on your wall like a good fan/
nationalist? We're gonna get revenge after that donkey
Iwelumo let you off the hook last time...
Not in a million years.
My shirt remains brown.
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Rhyfelwyr
Bah! Some people were suggesting that sport is all good and always works to bring people together, I simply said that that is not always the case. And then you brought up Christianity! :whip:
Bah! I never read threads before barging in! All I saw was you accusing football of domestic violence in a thread on religion!
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
Henry was born outside Paris.
And yes, it is that simple. Get citizenship, and you can play for the national team. The reason it rarely happens, is because good players usually get their national debut before they've played 3-5 years in a foreign league... But we(as in Norway) are always trying to convince the foreign goalies to switch nationality to play for our national team, as our own goalies are.... well, I'm trying to avoid warning points, so.... And we also tried it with Alanzinho before he was sold off to turkey.
For more examples, I give you:
- Mikkel Diskerud, from Oslo, declared for the US
- Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose, from Poland, playing for Germany
- Eduardo da Silva, born in Rio, playing for Croatia
True, but this recent phenomenon is the sort of thing that makes national football teams a bit redundant. If it's just going to turn into another club scene where you can sign who you want, then what's the point?
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HoreTore
Bah! I never read threads before barging in! All I saw was you accusing football of domestic violence in a thread on religion!
Maybe we could just compromise and blame everything on the Church of Rome?
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Rhyfelwyr
Maybe we could just compromise and blame everything on the Church of Rome?
Careful now. Having a sense of humor is strongly discouraged here.
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
It's not that simple, Viera, Henry etc only got to play for France due to Senegal being a former colony, otherwise they wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Hey, will you be decked in the national colours next Wednesday with a flag on your wall like a good fan/
nationalist? We're gonna get revenge after that donkey
Iwelumo let you off the hook last time...
Bah! Some people were suggesting that sport is all good and always works to bring people together, I simply said that that is not always the case. And then
you brought up Christianity! :whip:
not exactly becayse Afellay and Aisatti (both of full maroccan decent, however born and raised in holland) can play international apps for holland as long as they havent played any other int. caps for another country's first team. and afaik marocco has never been a dutch colony or anything like it.
Re: The misunderstanding of religion
All that is required to play for a national team is a grandparent who was a citizen or spending three years inside the country...
Move to San Marino and you could be in the national team within a matter of years... aslong as your half decent (I assume there are plenty of San Marinians who also love football and would like to play in the national side)
Militant Athiests are probably one of my biggest hates... i don't even nessecarily disagree with alot of the stuff they say but when will these idiots learn that attacking something usually strengthens people behind it (unless its a fatal blow) take Ryfelwyr's story as an example.. the attacks made his belief stronger...
I think the world would be better off without religion on the whole... but then i also think the world would probably be as equally well off if there were only the more moderate religious left (moderate in terms of views rather than zeal, see fanatical muslim jihadists or fred phelps as examples of what i mean as non moderate)
Its another thing to divide us...
