Israel and Hamas possibly facing a trial

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

*Sprouting Propaganda*

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It misses out the part where there was a small loving Palestinian family living on a farm, then Israel comes along and throws them out of their house, bulldozes their house and builds their farm house on top of it while the family is sat in a cardboard box, starving, crammed together like sardines with other ones in the corner, while Israel brings all his friends along to do the same. The Palestinians fight back, bringing some friends, then Israel comes with America, slaughtering them, and with superior firepower and technology from their friends, oppresses them and how Palestinian males take up terrorism and radical measures in order to stop Israel from evicting them from their homes for their out-of-town friends.

Seriously, get a clue on what is actually going on.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

*Spouting Propaganda*

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*Adds Insult For Good Measure*

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How is it propaganda? You post a political cartoon which conviently misses a massive part of the whole situation. I never denied saying Palestinians took up arms and terrorism in response.

In otherwords, I took your post and added 90% of the story you missed, while it still keeps your 10%.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

How is it propaganda?

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Well, it fits the definition thereof more or less as well as mine does.

Well, it is officially counter-propaganda. Unfortunately, you replied before I edited it. Doh. So I am going to say I said that bit on the spur of the moment and didn't have time to change it.

However, as I posted elsewhere before, this is one of those situations where you have conflicting morales.

On one-hand, you advocate nationalism, pride in your country, etc. In many regards, you should be supporting Palestine, the nation which had another nation placed right ontop of it, then getting kicked out of their own houses and forced to flee to other countries and into refugee camps.

However, you fully support Israel, because it fits in your your belief and support of American Imperialism in the region, and because the Palestinians are arabs, even though not all of them are Muslims. (There are Jewish and Christian Palestinians too)

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Well, it is officially counter-propaganda. Unfortunately, you replied before I edited it. Doh. So I am going to say I said that bit on the spur of the moment and didn't have time to change it.

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No, because it is still propaganda.

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On one-hand, you advocate nationalism, pride in your country, etc. In many regards, you should be supporting Palestine, the nation which had another nation placed right ontop of it, then getting kicked out of their own houses and forced to flee to other countries and into refugee camps.

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I disagree that it had another nation placed right on top of it (if you agree that it did, you must also agree that that nation was there first anyway), they weren't kicked out of their own homes in 1948 when Israel was formed, and they weren't forced to flee to other countries at that time either.

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However, you fully support Israel, because it fits in your your belief and support of American Imperialism in the region

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I don't support American "imperalism", mostly because I disagree that it is truly happening at all.

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and because the Palestinians are arabs, even though not all of them are Muslims. (There are Jewish and Christian Palestinians too)

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I couldn't care less what religion they are. In fact, I am quite concerned about the rapidly decreasing numbers of Palestinian Christians. You are actually ignoring the fact that Israel has quite a lot of Arab citizens.


I believe Israel is right. However, even if I didn't, I would still support them simply because their national interests coincide with those of my country.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

I believe Israel is right. However, even if I didn't, I would still support them simply because their national interests coincide with those of my country.

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I tried to stay away from that sort of trivia.

Nobody has commented on my comic :(

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Nobody has commented on my comic :(

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You didn't post it other than a link, so it took me 3 views of the topic trying to find it.

I liked it. Far more "the real story" than the previously posted one.

I thought a punch at the end was a little bit of an understatement, so I went for all out carnage, using my rubbish MS Paint skillz.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You didn't post it other than a link, so it took me 3 views of the topic trying to find it.

I liked it. Far more "the real story" than the previously posted one.

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It's very biased, read it anyway because it's really good. As an art-form.

It does have the part where terrorists attack Israel. But it is pretty correct. Hamas did get elected, for example and Israel doing embargo's ensuring food, oil and supplies don't reach the people of Gaza.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

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I tried to stay away from that sort of trivia.

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Why on Earth would you support something contrary to your national interests? Right, if you're an impractical internationalist. Enjoy yourself then. :2thumbsup:

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It does have the part where terrorists attack Israel. But it is pretty correct. Hamas did get elected, for example and Israel doing embargo's ensuring food, oil and supplies don't reach the people of Gaza.

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And why did Israel put up that embargo? It has to be because they want to starve innocent Palestinians, can't possibly be for a more sensible and less cruel reason, nope.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Why on Earth would you support something contrary to your national interests? Right, if you're an impractical internationalist. Enjoy yourself then. :2thumbsup:

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Some people actually realize that the people living outside your nation are actually human beings just like we are.

Weird, I know.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Some people actually realize that the people living outside your nation are actually human beings just like we are.

Weird, I know.

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Don't worry, I'm well aware of that. I think the vast majority of people are, to be honest. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't very smart to put someone acting contrary to your interests ahead of someone acting in favour to your interests, especially if you believe, as I do, that the one acting in favour of you is right.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Don't worry, I'm well aware of that. I think the vast majority of people are, to be honest. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't very smart to put someone acting contrary to your interests ahead of someone acting in favour to your interests, especially if you believe, as I do, that the one acting in favour of you is right.

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If someone isn't acting on the interest of humanity, he isn't acting in my interest. A person who acts solely in favour of Norway is not in any way acting in my interest.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Some people actually realize that the people living outside your nation are actually human beings just like we are.

Weird, I know.

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You forget, Kaiser Bill is an Evil Maniac from Mars.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

If someone isn't acting on the interest of humanity, he isn't acting in my interest. A person who acts solely in favour of Norway is not in any way acting in my interest.

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Suit yourself, but you may well have a different answer if you are ever directly threatened. Nonetheless, to an extent I agree with you. That is one of the reasons I take Israel's side - they are, in my opinion, on the side of right - or as close as you can get in the situation.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You forget, Kaiser Bill is an Evil Maniac from Mars.

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You forgot to acknowledge my response.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Suit yourself, but you may well have a different answer if you are ever directly threatened.

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So......

I guess terrorism is no longer a threat then? :beam:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

So......

I guess terrorism is no longer a threat then? :beam:

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Sure it is, but not to you or your country. In Israel it is a very real and ever present danger, and one of the reasons why Operation Cast Lead was launched in the first place, as well as the reason that Pakistan is now involved in operations against the Taliban in the north, thankfully with success so far.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Sure it is, but not to you or your country.

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Please, will you join me and try to get that fact into the thick skulls of our leaders?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

It's very biased, read it anyway because it's really good. As an art-form.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

It does have the part where terrorists attack Israel. But it is pretty correct. Hamas did get elected, for example and Israel doing embargo's ensuring food, oil and supplies don't reach the people of Gaza.

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:2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

I have never had anyone describe my "drawings" as an "art form" before :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Please, will you join me and try to get that fact into the thick skulls of our leaders?

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If I respond to this in the way I'd like to I'd be crossing the line into trolling. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Subotan

:2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

I have never had anyone describe my "drawings" as an "art form" before :2thumbsup:

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well hello

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

If I respond to this in the way I'd like to I'd be crossing the line into trolling. :laugh4:

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Hmm, I'm not sure exactly what you're after here, but... I can assure you that there is noone here who appreciates Norway-bashing more than I do :beam:

A bloody frozen hell-hole God forgot, that's what it is. I am so emigrating to France.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Hmm, I'm not sure exactly what you're after here, but... I can assure you that there is noone here who appreciates Norway-bashing more than I do :beam:

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Red-Green Coalition bashing is more along the lines of what I was thinking. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Red-Green Coalition bashing is more along the lines of what I was thinking. ~;)

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You think I have anything against that?

I have never in my life trusted Stoltenberg. The only reason I can tolerate him, is because he's being whipped by Halvorsen and Navarsete(the two other party leaders). I dread what would happen if the right won the election and we got a labour minority government...

Anyway, when I said "our", I meant me and you and everyone else, not just my own leaders... Because Stoltenberg actually isn't that hot on the tewwowist scare, it's only ever talked about when they're trying to prevent voters fleeing from labour to the progress party, and then it's delegated to some other party member, like Kolberg or Gerhardsen... The 3 top scaremongerers here are Jørn Holme, chief of the secret police, Erna Solberg, leader of the conservatives and of course Siv Jensen, leader of the progress party. Most others couldn't care less about a non-existant threat...

An interesting view, from the other side. I suggest the right-wingers here look at it.

AFAIK, the pretext why the Netherlands (and presumably some others) voted against was that while the report itself did have a small paragraph mentioning Palestinian attacks on civilians, the resolution wich was put up for vote was a one-sided condemnation of Israel.

Meh.

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Originally Posted by Hax

An interesting view, from the other side. I suggest the right-wingers here look at it.

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Utterly fantastic interview.