Secularists having a paddy over the KJV Bible Readings

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

No.

Christian leaders have actively persecuted knowledge and science. Because it went against the church, because it came from the jews or muslims, because they saw enlightenment towards something other than god was a sin, etc etc.

To say that it is simply a "coincidence" that science had a massive revolution once christianity lost its grip on soceity is beyond delusional - its an outright lie.

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Wow, this looks like "Radical Atheism 101 - Kindergarden Level". I'm absolutely no fan or religions (I actually loath them all), but you've written such a huge pile of clichés and other "it's common knowledge" BS in this topic it's quite mind-blowing. You sound like me when I was 15.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

No.

Christian leaders have actively persecuted knowledge and science. Because it went against the church, because it came from the jews or muslims, because they saw enlightenment towards something other than god was a sin, etc etc.

To say that it is simply a "coincidence" that science had a massive revolution once christianity lost its grip on soceity is beyond delusional - its an outright lie.



....is this where I list a ton of books explaining how Communism saved the world from unchecked capitalism and fascism?

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its funny how everyone that doesnt agree with horetore is either a liar or a nutcase.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

its funny how everyone that doesnt agree with horetore is either a liar or a nutcase.

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What nonsense.

To claim that Liverpool has a world-class team is an outright lie too. Yet I do not consider those who claim this to be liars or a nutcases, they are simply loserpoolfans.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Wow, this looks like "Radical Atheism 101 - Kindergarden Level". I'm absolutely no fan or religions (I actually loath them all), but you've written such a huge pile of clichés and other "it's common knowledge" BS in this topic it's quite mind-blowing. You sound like me when I was 15.

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Atheism 101? I fail to see what relvance it has with christianity today, what some people did centuries ago.

The 14th century catholic church has absolutely nothing to do with the catholic church of the 21th century. All those associated with the former have been dead for centuries now.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

What nonsense.

To claim that Liverpool has a world-class team is an outright lie too. Yet I do not consider those who claim this to be liars or a nutcases, they are simply loserpoolfans.

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u are hilarious.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

The 14th century catholic church has absolutely nothing to do with the catholic church of the 21th century. All those associated with the former have been dead for centuries now.

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Catholics main unique selling point is their direct linkage to Peter, the first Pope (as he himself said he was and no-one else had travelled to Rome to refute this). Can the church trim the bits that don't fit in with today whilst still holding onto this tenuous link?

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Catholics main unique selling point is their direct linkage to Peter, the first Pope (as he himself said he was and no-one else had travelled to Rome to refute this). Can the church trim the bits that don't fit in with today whilst still holding onto this tenuous link?

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Sure it can.

Just like you could call Wankerpool a crappy team because that's what they are today, whithout being affected by the throphies they won back in the days of horrible haircuts and facial hair. Yet they are still a continuation of the team that started playing in Liverpool over a hundred years ago.

I don't really see why acknowledging the horrible crimes committed by guys wearing the pointy hats way back yesterday should affect their link to the very beginnings of the church. They could just see it as a longer version of this: good times -> some rotten years -> good times again.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Actually, Christianity changed the nature of the Empire on a fundamental level. Instead of the bloodthirsty "Go against us, and you will be on a cross from here to Rome", they became far more 'nicer', preaching peace and other things. Which led to the destruction of the Empire, and the loss of technology, scienfitic advances and philosophical thought, which were recovered from the Muslims around 700 years later..

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Christianity only began a true rise during the age of Constantine, and by that time the Roman Empire had been sliced, diced, carved, seperated and segregated to no good effect. The idea was to spread Christianity in order to reunify the Empire ideaologically and recreate the early Us (now Christian) and Them (now heathan) mentality that had dissapated with the ethnic widening of the Legions and Roman Citizenship.

It wasn't about being nice.

Well, at least this topic has been lievely while I have been down.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Sure it can.

Just like you could call Wankerpool a crappy team because that's what they are today, whithout being affected by the throphies they won back in the days of horrible haircuts and facial hair. Yet they are still a continuation of the team that started playing in Liverpool over a hundred years ago.

I don't really see why acknowledging the horrible crimes committed by guys wearing the pointy hats way back yesterday should affect their link to the very beginnings of the church. They could just see it as a longer version of this: good times -> some rotten years -> good times again.

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They're not a footie team. Every Pope states he speaks on behalf of God. Did God have a bad patch then? Is he having a good one now? How do we know?

Football has very simple rules to measure teams against. The Pope effectively condems thousands if not millions to die due to refusal to budge on condoms for example. Is this a bad patch - and hence should be ignored, or is this the good times when the Church is speaking for God?

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

They're not a footie team. Every Pope states he speaks on behalf of God. Did God have a bad patch then? Is he having a good one now? How do we know?

Football has very simple rules to measure teams against. The Pope effectively condems thousands if not millions to die due to refusal to budge on condoms for example. Is this a bad patch - and hence should be ignored, or is this the good times when the Church is speaking for God?

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No, every Holy Father does NOT make such a claim. Speaking "Ex Cathedra," pronouncing for the Faith and relying on the idea of Religious infalibilty, has been exceedingly rare. I would venture to say that they dearly hope, and take as an act of faith, that their pronouncements are moved by the Holy Spirit. The KNOW that those pronouncements are almost invariably the result of quite a bit of mediation, study, and prayer. You are being entirely too glib here.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

No, every Holy Father does NOT make such a claim. Speaking "Ex Cathedra," pronouncing for the Faith and relying on the idea of Religious infalibilty, has been exceedingly rare. I would venture to say that they dearly hope, and take as an act of faith, that their pronouncements are moved by the Holy Spirit. The KNOW that those pronouncements are almost invariably the result of quite a bit of mediation, study, and prayer. You are being entirely too glib here.

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He is being too glib, but that is because the Church has presented it glibbly. I present the case of William Ockham, who was condemned not because he dissagreed with the Pope, but because he said his agreement was based on the use of Ockham's Razor, not on acceptance of the Holy Father's pronouncement.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Football has very simple rules to measure teams against.

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Try telling that to a Liverpool fan....

I'm a secularist, and I don 't care, since I know that atheist programming will get its fair share of the airwaves as well. Next "controversy" about the "creeping secularisation" of Britain, please.

By the way.....

Vuk's finals should be over by now, yet he still hasn't delivered....

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

By the way.....

Vuk's finals should be over by now, yet he still hasn't delivered....

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Yes, because you told me not to bother because you would not even read it. Did you forget that?

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Originally Posted by Vuk

Yes, because you told me not to bother because you would not even read it. Did you forget that?

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Jabarto was the one who wanted the explanation, not me.

This thread contains too much papism and Liverpool.