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I got news for you my good man your country sucked in the good old days too or the rest of the world would not have been so happy to kick ye out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
By all means be proud of individual achievements like the the steam engine etc etc but I am afraid you cant separate the racist element from much of Britains achievements as an empire.
By the way I laugh at your assertion that english people are not patriotic and don't wave there flag they do
...You realy dont know what you are talking about do you?
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
Actually I bet I know more about the dangers of flag waving than you ever will
Update:
The courts released her today. The government-instructed prosecutor appealed the decision, however, and Maria remains in Trandum concentration camp.
The former minister of Justice, Anne Holt, and the leader of the lawyer assocation has today said that:
1. There are legal grounds for Maria to stay. There is no reason to change any laws to allow her to stay.
2. The law does not exiest to treat us all equally. The law is designed to treat us unequally, or in other words, to take into account the different sitiuations we find ourselves in.
Yes the constant Hellmans and Heinz battle has torn the relam of mayo apart for decades nowQuote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
Uh huh, you really do know nothing about the british empire.
Ahem.
Racist and exploitative come to mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
To harken back to the days where you kept 1 billion people under your jackboot is an odd thing, your time in the sun is only that way becuase you're being held up by the billions of African and Asains who humanity you stripped
My country and it's politics is still shaped by our relationship to your country, just like the moon causes the tide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
My family is still shaped by our early part in the independence struggle, which many members suffered greatly for.
have you guessed where I'm from yet
:laugh: sep 2003 to jan 2011 I was wondering how long it would take to see that joke on the orgQuote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
No and I dont much care.Quote:
have you guessed where I'm from yet
We were the first country to end the slave trade we even went to the trouble of invading france's and other colonies to preven them from shipping slaves to america. In fact our golden age was well after the fact. The only reason we didn't help the confederates secceed from the US was because they had slaves.Quote:
but I am afraid you cant separate the racist element from much of Britains achievements as an empire
To be frank, when the world was racist we started the whole acceptance thing off. Now we dont even get a blasted T-shirt.
I live here I look out of my window and I see no flags, I go to london the only flags are on government buildings. The only time we do get flags out is for football and even then its the george cross not the Union Jack.Quote:
By the way I laugh at your assertion that english people are not patriotic and don't wave there flag they do.
see aboveQuote:
Racist and exploitative come to mind
As were the french and the spanish and the dutch and even the poxy belgians. You say jackboot but I realy have to point out that in comparison to all the other empires of the world we may not have been the best but we sure as heck wornt anywhere near the worst.Quote:
To harken back to the days where you kept 1 billion people under your jackboot is an odd thing, your time in the sun is only that way becuase you're being held up by the billions of African and Asains who humanity you stripped
I lol'd hardQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
You only ended it in certain places in the colonies your merchants still made money from it for ages after it was supposedly illegalQuote:
We were the first country to end the slave trade we even went to the trouble of invading france's and other colonies to preven them from shipping slaves to america. In fact our golden age was well after the fact. The only reason we didn't help the confederates secceed from the US was because they had slaves.
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To be frank, when the world was racist we started the whole acceptance thing off.
And Britain was still racist after she decided to stop profiteering from slavery
I see lack of flags means hatred of the nation, I suggest you go to Belfast and see what flag waving does then.Quote:
I live here I look out of my window and I see no flags, I go to london the only flags are on government buildings. The only time we do get flags out is for football and even then its the george cross not the Union Jack.
Its true I got it from wikipedia (!)
But that's my entire point, I didnt even know we had an empire until I was 13 for goodness sake.Quote:
I see lack of flags means hatred of the nation.
English support for the confederates fizziled because of a good cotton crop and the correct English assumption that the CSA wasn't viableQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Don't get in my wheelhouse
Down below, my good man:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
That's what I mean. You may try to see an actual concentration camp, that you may tell the difference with a Norwegian intitute of incarceration.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
And I'm not sure public prosecutors are directly instructed by the Norwegian government either.
As with all things there was other factors but according to wikipedia (which is true. wikipedia says it is so. all hail the wiki!) The emancipation proclemation ended all chances of sending aid.Quote:
English support for the confederates fizziled because of a good cotton crop and the correct English assumption that the CSA wasn't viable
Don't get in my wheelhouse
THATS RIGHT WE TEXANS KICKED THE ENGLISH OUT OF TEXAS IN 1776Quote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
Uh forgive me if I'm wrong but wasnt texas a part of mexico at the time?
Your point on lack of flags showing lack of love for the nation is silly, if I was born in soviet russia and lived to see Putin should I be glad he has brought back the soviet anthem cos "We were strong then".Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
You can be proud of individual achievement during the soviet era but you cant separate the suffering of ordinary people during the time so it's rightly reviled.
It is exactly the same with the British Empire the difference is that Britain has the time to evolve and revalue certain national myths and has grown up.
SpainQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
A Spanish territory.
~:smoking:
seriously dude smoking is bad for you does the org have any rules on secondhand smoke in the workplace for the moderators??
The prosecutor appealed because he was instructed to do so. There is nothing extra-ordinary about that. You're confusing instructing prosecutors, which is OK and kinda mandatory in cases like this, with instructing judges or defense attorneys, which is what they do in dictatorships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
As for Trandum: it is a camp where immigrants are put so we can have them all at one place, ie. to concentrate them. What else can you then call the place? Is it Auswitzch? No, but auswitzch was an extermination camp. Norwegian Prisons are like heaven compared to prisons in the Congo, for example, but does that mean I can't call Norwegian prisons "prisons"?
Most likely but this is the internet... 'nuff saidQuote:
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
No because russia still is strong.Quote:
if I was born in soviet russia and lived to see putin should I be glad he has brought back the soviet anthem cos "We were strong then".
Except in russia most of the suffering was caused intentionally by the government, in the UK it was down to the various companies and individuals, and to widen the gap even further the government actually tried to prevent alot of it.Quote:
You can be proud of individual achievement during the soviet era but you can separate the suffering of ordinary people during the time so it's rightly reviled.
We didn't grow up we just went into denial.Quote:
It is exactly the same with the British Empire the difference is that Britain has the time to evolve and revalue certain national myths and has grown up.
But I've taken up way too much space and too much of horetore's patience so I'm going to give up on this argument and apologise for the aformentioned stupidity
Hahahaha!
No need to apologize, my friend! The backroom rules clearly state that after page 2 is reached the originsl topic can no longer be discussed, by page three gunbortion must be brought up, goodwin at page four before it all ends with a discussion of hot babes on page five.
Hurrahs for teh interwebz!
How can a Chechen be Norwegian of the year?
What did you drink, HoreTore?
Chechen? She's ethnic Russian, from North Ossetia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
And she is the norwegian of the year because Ny Tid awarded her the prize...
Bit of a similar case here, 14 year old Afghan girl, lived here for 10 years, completely westernized, studies at the gymnasium. Doubt she will be kicked out but it's an ugly dilemma, she should have been gone years ago but the immigration-industry pays the procedures to slow things down, that can take years it's simply sabotage. Now she simply can't go back anymore it would be inhuman. Two gestures can be made, sending her back as a message to the immigration-industry to stop that crap, or bending the rules because she's the perfect immigrant. I would opt for the latter, but that would also be unfair
Single minors automatically get to stay here.
She's here with her parents, should have mentioned that. She's more Dutch than windmills and her parents are worried her western lifestyle will get her into trouble, pretty :daisy: valid a concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Madina Salamova (Marie Amelie) left the country on the 13:35 plane to Moscow today.
I have an urge to rebel.
Edit: Sigurd, did you notice the writing on the wall on that picture of her sitting on a bench at Gardemoen? "Hitler is good"?
What was that about?
Edit2: found the photo: http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bild...760439_848.jpg
Now that she's gone you can legally get her back as an expat, all it takes is a Norwegian company offering her a job, she won't aquire Norwegian nationality very soon though, if ever.
Reductio ad Hitlerum :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Most likely a holding cell for expelled people and someone's disgust carved into the concrete wall and a photographer's eye for drama.
edit: Link to the picture in question