Concerning the great worries about the self defence capabilities of Europeans.

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*ranting and BS*

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And where do you get the idea that I glorify war or think that we should be going overseas doing this and that? Am I not the one that is always arguing that we should keep our nose out of this happening abroad as much as possible (and much more so than we have done)?
Don't pretend you know anything about me, because you don't. The only reason that I did not join the Corps (and that is how it is spelled BTW my educated intellectual individual) is because I was turned down by recruiters because of a pre-existing condition that greatly limits what I can and cannot do. (and which is none of your business)
Also, many of the opinions that I have expressed were either based on things told to me by friends who are in the military, or opinions expressed by friends in the Corps.
You don't know what you are talking about, so mind your business and go do something more your speed...like lifting weights...

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Originally Posted by Vuk

No, not at all. First of all, the larger the engagement, the more chance of melee combat. In a large war, esp in urban areas, the chance goes up. Why even give our troops bayonets if we do not show them how to use them? They are just as likely to hurt themselves as they are to use them effectively.
Also, as I said in my above post (2 above), the rational behind teaching melee combat is to condition troops to stressful circumstances where split second decisions matter. To get them used to feeling consequences for their actions, taking hits, being aggressive, etc. It is considered by many to be one of the best preps for actually sending soldiers into combat. That is why it is important a lot more than the practical side of melee combat in modern warfare.

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You sound like a Marshal of France circa. 1913.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I toatly have a buddy in the core who claims to steal his British commarades lunch money and then rape them in the lunch line

Vuk is what is wrong with America, a fat slob sitting on his couch claiming America is teh best and can't be defeated because of some intrinsic awesomeness, when in reality the people who serve in the US military are just that, people. Putting this rediculos onus on them is why Americans supports retarded ventures that get my friends killed because when I see a guy who I once talked to for 4 staight hours because his best girl broke up with him the night before the big game, Vuk sees some caricuture out of a Michael Bay movie

You'd better pay your damn respect and think long and hard before commting to anything because its not your ass or even your creature comforts that are on the line. Its someone elses and chances are he is just like you.

You mouth breathing philistine

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I toatly have a buddy in the core who claims to steal his British commarades lunch money and then rape them in the lunch line

Vuk is what is wrong with America, a fat slob sitting on his couch claiming America is teh best and can't be defeated because of some intrinsic awesomeness, when in reality the people who serve in the US military are just that, people. Putting this rediculos onus on them is why Americans supports retarded ventures that get my friends killed because when I see a guy who I once talked to for 4 staight hours because his best girl broke up with him the night before the big game, Vuk sees some caricuture out of a Michael Bay movie

You'd better pay your damn respect and think long and hard before commting to anything because its not your ass or even your creature comforts that are on the line. Its someone elses and chances are he is just like you.

You mouth breathing philistine

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The cancer that is killing /USA/

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The cancer that is killing /USA/

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lol, oh yes, Vuk the cancer...says the self-proclaimed "Professional Internet Troll"...

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Originally Posted by Vuk

lol, oh yes, Vuk the cancer...says the self-proclaimed "Professional Internet Troll"...

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Trolls don't cause cancer, they provoke the cancer for lulz. This is internet 101. I'm sorry, you were saying something about how some guys you know told you that they think soliders from New York and Europe are pussies?

I know some guys who knew a guy who wanted to join the marines who apparently said that the Air Force might as well be 16 middle aged men taking baby boomers on tourist flights over the grand canyon because they were so undisciplined.

Why is our military neglecting to teach our soldiers the practical art of swordsmanship on the battle field? You can't cut off a terrorists head with a tactical knife, you need an Irish Claymore. God, I swear, no wonder our military is so ineffective.

EDIT: AND WHY ARE ALL THE CLAYMORES BEING MADE IN IRELAND!? WHERE ARE THE GOOD OLE AMERICAN MADE CLAYMORES THE GREATEST GENERATION USED TO GUT NAZIS!?!

Gents, You all know the rules on personal attacks.

This is not my forum but anyone can report a post.

I suggest that you all put away the verbal clubs and take cover under a near by bridge and rethink your positions.

I recommend you use your edit functions and reassess what you would say. To include those who have quoted those words and applauded the matches...

Else a number of people are going to spend some time on the beach, in a manner of speaking.

A better choice would be to lock this joke of a thread.

Take it as a lasts opportunity to at lest avoid further difficulties. Once it is locked nothing can be changed.

And those quoting such are as culpable as those who said it, in these instances.

Use EDIT.

My apologies. This thread was supposed to be something else it turned out to be.My mistake.

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My apologies. This thread was supposed to be something else it turned out to be.My mistake.

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You started a thread off as a personal attack on another member and expected it to turn into something good? Yeah...right...

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My apologies. This thread was supposed to be something else it turned out to be.My mistake.

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No need for you to apologize, I wasn't criticizing you. You can't control it when other people hijack a thread.

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You started a thread off as a personal attack on another member and expected it to turn into something good? Yeah...right...

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Maybe you should read the OP.Otherwise i am completely done trying to have any kind of discussion with you.

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Maybe you should read the OP.Otherwise i am completely done trying to have any kind of discussion with you.

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So you deny then that the entire point of your opening post was to ridicule my (already completed) thread and me as a poster? If so, then you are not being honest.

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So you deny then that the entire point of your opening post was to ridicule my (already completed) thread and me as a poster? If so, then you are not being honest.

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You simply dont get it do you. If i challenge your opinion in certain matter that is not a personal attack. Please show me where i commented your personality, mental abilities or something similar to that?

"I have this reasonable argument countering an argument from a previous thread, I would like to discuss it here since by the time I fully developed it, the original thread was dead/locked."

"STOP ATTACKING ME!!"

I recommend that someone needs a (forced) break from the backroom for a while.

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This picture serves a sarcastic purpose better, imo, but the post of stfs had to be said.

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You simply dont get it do you. If i challenge your opinion in certain matter that is not a personal attack. Please show me where i commented your personality, mental abilities or something similar to that?

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I took your post as a parody of mine (you even admitted that it was in jest), which is a ridicule. The fact that I was personally attacked multiple times by following posters in agreement with you confirmed that in my mind. I am sorry if that is not how you intended it, but that is how it came across to me.

:wall: Will someone please lock this thread allready?

I don't understand the demands to lock the thread. Why? So we can have more time to read about Ayn Rand's Social Security scandle or claw our way through yet another tedious Israel/Palestine thread? :sleepy:

This and its sister have been two of the most entertaining threads in a while and what used to make the Backroom so fun - people getting passionate about a subject. It is (relatively) new and interesting. If your innocent eyes cannot stand it, don't click through. Vuk will decide when he's had enough and the thread will die soon enough after. :drama2:

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

all true, but our part in southern iraq was only half the battle fought, if you want to hear about the other half then read Task Force Black, and see what Patraues and Co had to say about British Forces.

southern iraq was a failure but not by the military, rather it was a political lack of spine to let the military do the necessary to pacify Southern Iraq. blair wanted a quiet life and pissed away SI to get it.

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Just to be clear, I was not slagging of the British Military. They are, of course, one of the best in the world.

I was only trying to highlight that the two sides have always been highly critical of each other in the best of times, and especially when things don't go according to plan. I guess you could say that about any married couple, though. ~;)

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I took your post as a parody of mine (you even admitted that it was in jest), which is a ridicule. The fact that I was personally attacked multiple times by following posters in agreement with you confirmed that in my mind. I am sorry if that is not how you intended it, but that is how it came across to me.

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Still you dont follow.I was jesting over your claims, not you as person.What part dont you undestand about that? If someone says that you are wrong about something. That is not a personal attack but different opinion. If i claim something and someone does not agree with me. Should i think that as personal attack or a different opinion? If someone is making degratory remarks about other people should i consider that as a different opinion or verbal attack against the said people? Capiche?

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Still you dont follow.I was jesting over your claims, not you as person.What part dont you undestand about that? If someone says that you are wrong about something. That is not a personal attack but different opinion. If i claim something and someone does not agree with me. Should i think that as personal attack or a different opinion? If someone is making degratory remarks about other people should i consider that as a different opinion or verbal attack against the said people? Capiche?

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And you don't get what I mean. If I think your idea is stupid, I will tell you that your idea is stupid. When you make jest of an idea and the logic that makes one arrive at the idea, you are making jest about someone's reasoning capabilities (ie, their intelligence). Maybe you did not mean it that way, but that is how I interpreted it.

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I don't understand the demands to lock the thread. Why? So we can have more time to read about Ayn Rand's Social Security scandle or claw our way through another tedious Israel/Palestine thread? :sleepy:

This and its sister have been two of the most entertaining threads in a while and what used to make the Backroom so fun - people getting passionate about a subject. It is (relatively) new and interesting. If your innocent eyes cannot stand it, don't click through. :drama2:

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I agree. If you don't like a thread, you don't go throwing personal insults at people and then crying for the thread to be locked! That is only disruptive. People are entitled to their opinions and the expression of them. If you don't want to argue with them, then don't!

EDIT: No, this post is not aimed at you PJ.

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I don't understand the demands to lock the thread. Why? So we can have more time to read about Ayn Rand's Social Security scandle or claw our way through another tedious Israel/Palestine thread? :sleepy:

This and its sister have been two of the most entertaining threads in a while and what used to make the Backroom so fun - people getting passionate about a subject. It is (relatively) new and interesting. If your innocent eyes cannot stand it, don't click through. :drama2:

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Yeah it was interesting but it's just devolved into:

Vuk: "are you insulting me?"
Anyone else: "No"
"I'm sure you insulted me"
"No i didnt."
"Yes you did"
"No i didnt."
"Yes you did"
etc.

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Yeah it was interesting but it's just devolved into:

Vuk: "are you insulting me?"
Anyone else: "No"
"I'm sure you insulted me"
"No i didnt."
"Yes you did"
"No i didnt."
"Yes you did"
etc.

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You are saying that people were not insulting me in this thread? Then why did a mod have to warn them to edit their posts? The only one that was disputed was the original post which I admitted could have been a mistake. It is the people who are not involved in any discussion who come to threads with the sole purpose of killing them who are the problem.

oh vuk excuse me that your friends in the corp told you that regular army sucks. this of course coming from a marine makes it the absolute truth.

you want to know about the corp vuk. they are a bunch of juiceheads. the average marine has trouble spelling his own name. they are a collection of primadonnas who see themselves as complete badasses when in fact they are just more boots on the ground. all of their needs are taken care of by the navy logistically and in terms of their ridiculous desires for their own organic air and artillery components its ridiculous. the organic air is a drain on money since the navy and airforce can more than supply their needs and your trying to tell me the army does not have enough artillery to help out the marines as well? The marines make operations demonstrably more difficult because they are always perceiving slights to their and the corps "honor".

Off base marines cause a plethora of problems because they simply cannot stand for anything less than recognition as top dog when they are far from it. The public and government panders to their constant nonsense because of the aura of invincibility they insist on surrounding themselves with.


so shut up with your stereotypical bull vuk we all have our own. how about you get some actual knowledge and experience about i dont know anything before you run your mouth off. im tired of hearing about your martial arts bullshit its completely ridiculous.

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You are saying that people were not insulting me in this thread? Then why did a mod have to warn them to edit their posts? The only one that was disputed was the original post which I admitted could have been a mistake. It is the people who are not involved in any discussion who come to threads with the sole purpose of killing them who are the problem.

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No, I'm saying that you realy need to let it go, the lot of you. It getting boring.

It is extremely hard to debate with someone who doesn't use facts or reason

Guys like PJ and Centurion, while probably being the most in line with your views (altough lets be honest, most retards would laugh at what you try to pass off as reasoning skills and cognitive ability, lumping these guys in with you is physically painfull) still maintain grounding in reality

But Vuk look on the bright side, you are literate (using that term loosely) and able to use the interwebz. I'm sure you have destroyed the grim prognosis the doctors gave your parents.

You my friend are a winner :thumbsup:

Great - I feel like having to clean up after a party were half of the guest puked in the living room :stare:

Some patrons have PMs

:no:

And I am happy to have signed off before that to get ready for my evening meetings. Though I also feel a little guilty that it got dumped on you Ser. --SF