The Elephant in the room.

The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.

First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.

Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.

Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?

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The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.

First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.

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Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?

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Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.

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Now this is a valid point.

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Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?

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So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?

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Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?

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Well religion is really synonymous with race for our purposes here, ultimately the Pakistani community as a whole regards white women as trash. Although they seem to frame it in racial terms themselves. As we heard earlier, "white women are for fun".

As to the perpetrators possibly picking white girls because their community would not allow them to attack their own, even if that was the case (which is unlikely given the above), it would only show how deep the racism was in the wider community.

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So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?

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Well we don't know the particulars yet, although it is possible that it is down to an accumulation of errors.

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Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded *and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

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I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

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Well religion is really synonymous with race for our purposes here, ultimately the Pakistani community as a whole regards white women as trash. Although they seem to frame it in racial terms themselves. As we heard earlier, "white women are for fun".

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Let me ask you this, would they have extended the same kind of treatment to muslim girls (of any race) or to Christian Pakistani girls(yes, they do exist)? Keep in mind that I'm not trying to sugarcoat what they did (personally, I'd rather see them dead or in an American prison picking up the soap for the aryan brotherhood), but there's a huge difference between a racial hatred and ideological one.

It's not religious. It's cultural. rather explodes multi-culturism wouldn't you think?

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It's not religious. It's cultural. rather explodes multi-culturism wouldn't you think?

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Never been a fan of multiculturalism myself. Speaking of culture though, don't Italian men oftentimes act pretty much the same (i.e. like complete pigs) way if they see an unescorted blonde on the streets of, say, Naples?
I can buy the cultural argument, but I can't consider this to be an indication of racism.

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Let me ask you this, would they have extended the same kind of treatment to muslim girls (of any race) or to Christian Pakistani girls(yes, they do exist)?

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I'm well aware of Pakistani Christians, they make up 50% of the population in one of the cities there, can't remember what one.

And the answer to your question is "no", no they do not treat Pakistani Christian girls that way, there are quite a few of them in the diaspora in Britain.

In their eyes, white girls are trash and their white skin is a clear indication of their trashy status. Not Pakistani Christian girls. Not Jewish girls. Not East Asian girls. Not any other group of girls that don't happen to be Muslim. Just white girls.

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Keep in mind that I'm not trying to sugarcoat what they did (personally, I'd rather see them dead or in an American prison picking up the soap for the aryan brotherhood), but there's a huge difference between a racial hatred and ideological one.

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Speaking of prison gangs the Islamists are getting massive in the UK prisons. Forcing young inmates from their community to convert to al-Qaeda ideology, taking down posters of women, banning music on their wings, smuggling tapes of suicide bomber memorials etc.

From what I've heard UK prisons are starting to sound a lot more like American prisons. Divided along racial lines and nastier in general. Another things we can thank diversity for.

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Never been a fan of multiculturalism myself. Speaking of culture though, don't Italian men oftentimes act pretty much the same (i.e. like complete pigs) way if they see an unescorted blonde on the streets of, say, Naples?
I can buy the cultural argument, but I can't consider this to be an indication of racism.

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Once you get away from northern europe/scandanavia women are, pretty much, in the main regarded as slabs of meat. To be used. At whim.*

*OK broad brush but made to make a point.

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Speaking of prison gangs the Islamists are getting massive in the UK prisons. Forcing young inmates from their community to convert to al-Qaeda ideology, taking down posters of women, banning music on their wings, smuggling tapes of suicide bomber memorials etc.

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Interesting. Citation needed?

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Once you get away from northern europe/scandanavia women are, pretty much, in the main regarded as slabs of meat. To be used. At whim.*

*OK broad brush but made to make a point.

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It worth mentioning that I was grabbed in the groin by a female totally unknown to me in London though. 'checking out your package'

Edit. hax you silly boy, don't know if I should give you a pet on the hat or slap you in your face

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Did they just make those figures up then?

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I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

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The perpotrators were caught by the police and sentenced by the courts. And they got additional sentencing because of their view on women.

Yes, what protection. So much for fascist paranoia.

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The perpotrators were caught by the police and sentenced by the courts. And they got additional sentencing because of their view on women.

Yes, what protection. So much for fascist paranoia.

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These things happen all the time, this just got in the news. Muslims are responsible for not 98, not 99, but 100% responsible for all streetrape in your own capital. Or aren't they

90percent of UK cases of child grooming for sex are against individuals from a west Asian ethnic/cultural background.

I am happy to conclude two things:
1) the culture is inferior in respect to British values, and assimilation ought to be a priority
2) immigration from these places should slow sufficiently to allow assimilation of those here already

I don't feel the same urge to apply this maxim to the finnish community.

This is discrimination, I am okay with that.

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These things happen all the time, this just got in the news. Muslims are responsible for not 98, not 99, but 100% responsible for all streetrape in your own capital. Or aren't they

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No, they are not.

But I have to admit, it makes such a good story, so why bother with the facts?

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90percent of UK cases of child grooming for sex are against individuals from a west Asian ethnic/cultural background.

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That kinda pulls the plug on the paranoia in this thread, that the police don't investigate muslims, doesn't it?

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No, they are not.

But I have to admit, it makes such a good story, so why bother with the facts?

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Yes, they are. And even if it was 99% it would be bad. Heck, if it was 80% it would be pretty bad. But it's 100% bad. A woman is more likely to get raped on the streets of Norway than she is when entering a township in South Africa.

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Yes, they are. And even if it was 99% it would be bad. Heck, if it was 80% it would be pretty bad. But it's 100% bad. A woman is more likely to get raped on the streets of Norway than she is when entering a township in South Africa.

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Considering that the norwegian police don't do statistics on religious affiliation, I'm not curious about where you got your number from, as I know it's fake, probably taken from some random racist blog.

As for the likelyhood of getting raped on the streets; it's insignificant. The last "rape-wave" was about 10 rapes or so in a months time, from a population of about 300.000 women. It's a higher risk than getting murdered though(20-30 murders per year in Norway).

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Considering that the norwegian police don't do statistics on religious affiliation, I'm not curious about where you got your number from, as I know it's fake, probably taken from some random racist blog.

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Comes from your own police in fact mia muca

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Comes from your own police in fact mia muca

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Then it's a garantueed fake, since they don't do statistics on religious affiliation.

Check thy sources.

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That kinda pulls the plug on the paranoia in this thread, that the police don't investigate muslims, doesn't it?

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Perhaps so, but that is not my concern.

My concern is why an immigrant group that makes up circa 5 percent of the population is responsible for 90 percent of child sex ring cases

Further, my concern is why it seems to matter so little when we all know that volume would be dialed up to 11 if this was catholic priests! I am not catholic, christian, or from a catholic country.

Inverse/positive racism does appear to be a problem, and a problem caused by the necessity to defend the creed of multiculturalism rather than expect assimilation from our many immigrant groups.

We are in effect electing to continue importing serious and socially divisive crimes, committed against british nationals! I am a civic nationalist, so it is the "british" part that I care about.

Again, to use the finnish situation, I know loads of them and many are friends, but they are always dispersed and never really socialize in clumps. Moreover, they appear to be responsible for an utterly negligible proportion of crime. They seem like an ideal immigrant group and I would discriminate in favorite of finnish nationals if we selected economic migrants.

Ergo, I would discriminate against other ethno-cultural groups. I am sure some useful criteria based on tendency to geographic dispersion and proportion of serious offenses could be drafted.

This of course being an entirely separate matter from asylum seekers.

The problem with the Catholic abuse wasn't the abuse itself, but the response from the church, ie. the cover-ups and internal investigations.

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Then it's a garantueed fake, since they don't do statistics on religious affiliation.

Check thy sources.

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I did. Did you. A little google will settle things really fast.

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The problem with the Catholic abuse wasn't the abuse itself, but the response from the church, ie. the cover-ups and internal investigations.

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How ironic.

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I did. Did you. A little google will settle things really fast.

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This is a list of all the assault rapes/attempts from 1.1.2011 to november 2011. Enoug to prove your ststement wrong.

As for religious affiliation, as I have already said, there is no statistics collected on that.

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This is a list of all the assault rapes/attempts from 1.1.2011 to november 2011. Enoug to prove your ststement wrong.

As for religious affiliation, as I have already said, there is no statistics collected on that.

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Disagree with the head of Oslo's police if you think my numbers are off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-scandal.html

And now the Scandal pulls in Afro-Carribeans.

It's because the girls are white, it's like that Chanel Four documentary that odious Black "journalist" did "White Girls are Easy".

Sure - the ones particularly looking for a black man might be.

I wonder if this article refers to these Oslo "statistics" (difficult to tell of course if no link is provided for the statistics...)
Norway: Gil Ronen distorts Oslo police report by claiming rapists are all muslims

NB: I acknowledge that I do not know anything about the "Baltic Review" - so it might of course be leftist propaganda ~;)

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I wonder if this article refers to these Oslo "statistics" (difficult to tell of course if no link is provided for the statistics...)
Norway: Gil Ronen distorts Oslo police report by claiming rapists are all muslims

NB: I acknowledge that I do not know anything about the "Baltic Review" - so it might of course be leftist propaganda ~;)

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You will find the police saying it themselve on youtube.

Link?

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Link?

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www.youtube.com

Cute ... and kind of predictable.

So, perhaps the videos that refer to "police statistics" are exactly in line with what is referred to in the article?

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Cute ... and kind of predictable.

So, perhaps the videos that refer to "police statistics" are exactly in line with what is referred to in the article?

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Ffs you will find it right there, I don't post links anymore. If you simply do a search you will find the official statement by Oslo's police.

:shrug:

Sorry - not going through all these videos that pop up from the usual suspects and that refer to the 5 assault rapes done by foreigners in 2010 (which seems to be the only kind of statistic that is out there) to provide you with a leg to stand on.

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:shrug:

Sorry - not going through all these videos that pop up from the usual suspects and that refer to the 5 assault rapes done by foreigners in 2010 (which seems to be the only kind of statistic that is out there) to provide you with a leg to stand on.

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I have yet to figure out how the copy paste function works, but the first video if you type in 'all rapes oslo' is the one you really don't want

The article
The clip

Both sources quoting the Police Chief of Oslo. She states that the last 3 years 100% of the assault rapes have been commited by non-western immigrants.

Looks credible to me.

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Cute ... and predictable

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Shut up and kiss me

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Shut up and kiss me

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Hardly - so I see that HoreTore (as well as the article I linked to) are entirely correct with the statement that no religion at all was mentioned - no?
And that also your statement "A woman is more likely to get raped on the streets of Norway than she is when entering a township in South Africa" is complete hyperbole?

Sorry - no good night kiss for that, Frag - at least not from me ~:)

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Hardly - so I see that HoreTore (as well as the article I linked to) are entirely correct with the statement that no religion at all was mentioned - no?
And that also your statement "A woman is more likely to get raped on the streets of Norway than she is when entering a township in South Africa" is complete hyperbole?

Sorry - no good night kiss for that, Frag - at least not from me ~:)

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Of course it's hyperbole what good would it be if it wasn't. It are still solid numbers though

That religion isn't mentioned isn't the same as it not being a factor though.

However, when they talk about non-western assault rapists, I am ready to bet pretty big money that they don't talk about Japanese Buddhists...

Well to quote from the other article on the 2010 numbers:

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“Statistics regarding assault rapists:
The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners”, which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.

Yours Sincerely,
Grethe Kleivan
Deputy Director General, “

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So - based on that religion, culture etc. might or might not be a factor. You can of course speculate - but the claim that statistics prove that all assault rapes (and suggesting that all is a pretty massive number) are done by muslims is false - plain and simple.

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That religion isn't mentioned isn't the same as it not being a factor though.

However, when they talk about non-western assault rapists, I am ready to bet pretty big money that they don't talk about Japanese Buddhists...

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No, the main perps are easterrn europe, africa and the middle east.

And the number is 41 in three years. If we exclude serial rapists, that means at most 41 offenders, from an immigrant population of about 600.000. Yes, those 41 are obviously reason enough to throw out the other 599.959....

And as usual, the nonsensical rambling from the racists about "100% muslims" is utterly false. But having 100% muslims does make a good story of course, lies are usually good stories.

You are of course right Ser Clegane.

It would have been better phrased "from the statistics it is safe to assume that a immigrant from a islamic country is several thousand percent more likely to commit rape than a Norwegian borne one". Depending on how you work the numbers, I get that they are between 2000% (if HoreTore would do the math) - 5000% (if Fragony did the math) more likely to commit a rape crime.

I'd estimate it to be around 3500% more likely, which is the number I got doing the math for Sweden.

So yes, of course no one would claim that only Muslim immigrants rape.

But isn't the real question why we allow a culture with several thousand percent higher rape statistics to take root in our society.

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No, the main perps are easterrn europe, africa and the middle east.

And the number is 41 in three years. If we exclude serial rapists, that means at most 41 offenders, from an immigrant population of about 600.000. Yes, those 41 are obviously reason enough to throw out the other 599.959....

And as usual, the nonsensical rambling from the racists about "100% muslims" is utterly false. But having 100% muslims does make a good story of course, lies are usually good stories.

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No, the MENA immigrants should be kicked out for plenty of other reasons as well. That 41 of your fellow countrymen got their sexual lives destroyed because people like you are doing a social experiment is but a minor factor compared to the other problems.

I have to admit I'd be very curious to see your calculations...

Does "depending on how you work the numbers" include in this case the option to make up numbers based on what you feel must be true?

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Well to quote from the other article on the 2010 numbers:


So - based on that religion, culture etc. might or might not be a factor. You can of course speculate - but the claim that statistics prove that all assault rapes (and suggesting that all is a pretty massive number) are done by muslims is false - plain and simple.

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100% isn't straightforward enough for you tastes?

Ser Clegane, I have been interested in these questions for years, so it's not a simple calc.

And again, depending on how you factor stuff in you get very different outcomes.

Run some numbers yourself, plenty of info out there.

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And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator?

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I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

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Like I've posted on page two, the only thing that suggests the police ignored the case because of their ethnic background is a former Labour MP making that accusation in the Telegraph- or at least, I've not found anything else. If there is actually any other evidence of it I'd certainly like to see it.

I take it you're basing all this on "common sense" as opposed to information, right?

Another interesting rape statistic:

99.99-whateverpercent of rapes(and similar for most other crimes, in fact) are committed by men. Why isn't the extreme right calling for severe limitations on the liberty of males? It would be silly, that's why. Just as silly as putting restrictions on any other group X.

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Another interesting rape statistic:

99.99-whateverpercent of rapes(and similar for most other crimes, in fact) are committed by men. Why isn't the extreme right calling for severe limitations on the liberty of males? It would be silly, that's why. Just as silly as putting restrictions on any other group X.

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I just happen to care more for the women who just want to do their thing than I care for men for men who won't let them. In the seventies I would be seen as extreme left, just saying

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Another interesting rape statistic:

99.99-whateverpercent of rapes(and similar for most other crimes, in fact) are committed by men. Why isn't the extreme right calling for severe limitations on the liberty of males? It would be silly, that's why. Just as silly as putting restrictions on any other group X.

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Is that reported cases of rape? Who would believe a man was rape by a woman? What man would come forward and admit such a thing? Domestic abuse is also massively underreported. Do the authorities help, as is the case when women are underreported victims? Nope. A NHS poster even used the female gender in all their ads

Women can claim rape based that they were too drunk to consent. And as far as I am aware, no man has ever stated he was rape as he was too drunk to consent. The alcohol tolerance of men is amazing!

~:smoking:

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100% isn't straightforward enough for you tastes?

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Read it again.

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The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture.

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Interesting. Citation needed?

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Here you go. If you google "islamist gangs uk prisons" or something similar you will see plenty of articles.

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Read it again.

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I'll take the official statement of the police over that if you don't mind

mr hollande is sending us a boat load more immigrants:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/g...to-France.html

I am quite happy to receive them.

there taxes will be nice too. :)

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But isn't the real question why we allow a culture with several thousand percent higher rape statistics to take root in our society.

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indeed, that is THE question.

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99.99-whateverpercent of rapes(and similar for most other crimes, in fact) are committed by men. Why isn't the extreme right calling for severe limitations on the liberty of males? It would be silly, that's why. Just as silly as putting restrictions on any other group X.

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well, a simple difference is that we would not be talking about whether to keep on importing non-nationals men from outside , to rape passport-holding people on the inside.

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The Hunk thread?
No I really havent heard of such a subforum. Theres not one the index page.

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dear god boy!

we need to acclimate you to human sarcasm and give a brief lesson on interpreting it through writing. Did you think that Swift really wanted to eat Irish babies as well?

Strike if I may weigh in a little bit on your statement regarding statistical reckoning.... as someone who does stats and stares at excel all day for work I feel the need to point out to you that those numbers differences between each other are more than workable with. The math would be a bother and I would never do it because those two numbers aren't really enough for an accurate assessment but any individual who take a couple semesters of stats in university could do it with some references. The issue would be verifying the reports and dealing with the inevitable outliers.

That being said our dear friend Kadagar's numbers are in fact off. I doubt he took any of the variables you mentioned into account and probably did some basic division across the population parameters and didnt even account for a potential rejection of his hypotheses as well as likely operated under the assumption that the factors would all remain constant throughout the levels of population which of course they would not do.

The number of these immigrant groups (slav (that one hurts my heritage to write), muslim, african) would likely be higher but not that dramatically high of a number. I must say though I also expect rape victims that those kinds of men would find themselves most able to target (other poor immigrants from similar ethnic backgrounds) would be much more likely to under report than ethnic Norwegians.

Well im off to write a fifteen page paper in 36 hours. Kill me now.

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Easily answered, during the oil crisis in the seventies what was then the EU struck a deal with the Arab countries, we get their oil as long as we don't halt islam in any way. We basicly got sold out. And yes I got links for that

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Easily answered, during the oil crisis in the seventies what was then the EU struck a deal with the Arab countries, we get their oil as long as we don't halt islam in any way. We basicly got sold out. And yes I got links for that

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But... Are they valid?

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Strike if I may weigh in a little bit on your statement regarding statistical reckoning.... as someone who does stats and stares at excel all day for work I feel the need to point out to you that those numbers differences between each other are more than workable with. The math would be a bother and I would never do it because those two numbers aren't really enough for an accurate assessment but any individual who take a couple semesters of stats in university could do it with some references. The issue would be verifying the reports and dealing with the inevitable outliers.

That being said our dear friend Kadagar's numbers are in fact off. I doubt he took any of the variables you mentioned into account and probably did some basic division across the population parameters and didnt even account for a potential rejection of his hypotheses as well as likely operated under the assumption that the factors would all remain constant throughout the levels of population which of course they would not do.

The number of these immigrant groups (slav (that one hurts my heritage to write), muslim, african) would likely be higher but not that dramatically high of a number. I must say though I also expect rape victims that those kinds of men would find themselves most able to target (other poor immigrants from similar ethnic backgrounds) would be much more likely to under report than ethnic Norwegians.

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I based my math on state criminal reports, immigration data, local geographical data and so on...

I think that the very crude base - If I remember the BRÅ report correctly - data states that 0,7 out of 1000 people with Swedish parents are accused of rape, whereas 5,6 out of 1000 who are not borne here are accused of rape.

If you then factor in that the other nordic countries are big immigrant groups, and that we also have western immigration, you have to try to discern what different groups of immigrants are doing.

Asian (as by Frags wonderful definition of Asian) immigrants are, as an example, underrepresented. So some group must pick up that slack.

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Yeah this is just about the summary http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=49 but you can easily find it, Strassbourgh 1976

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Easily answered, during the oil crisis in the seventies what was then the EU struck a deal with the Arab countries, we get their oil as long as we don't halt islam in any way. We basicly got sold out. And yes I got links for that

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Ah, the sweet, sweet scent of a paranoid mind....

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Ah, the sweet, sweet scent of a paranoid mind....

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Take it how you want it but it is very much real, islamisation is a EU project. Kinda a coincidence all of course.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Take it how you want it but it is very much real, islamisation is a EU project. Kinda a coincidence all of course.

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Is "positive neutrality" a term you're familiar with, frags?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Is "positive neutrality" a term you're familiar with, frags?

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There is nothing passive about Europe's immigration policy. There is even a quotum on how many immigrants are supposed to wash up here. Also check out EAD if you think I don't know my stuff.

1) the EU did not exist in its current form in 1976; it was called the EC
2) the "Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Co-operation" was not an initiative from the EC. It just has parliament members from EC member states in it, who don't even represent their entire respective parliaments.

Even if we were to assume that this PAEAC is the EU, and that it had the authority to do what anything you're accusing them of, there's nothing in that declaration that comes close to what you described.

As for that resolution itself, a google search only returns results that have Bat Ye'Or written all over it. Except maybe this one, which doesn't list a conference in Strasbourg that year.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

1) the EU did not exist in its current form in 1976; it was called the EC
2) the "Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Co-operation" was not an initiative from the EC. It just has parliament members from EC member states in it, who don't even represent their entire respective parliaments.

Even if we were to assume that this PAEAC is the EU, and that it had the authority to do what anything you're accusing them of, there's nothing in that declaration that comes close to what you described.

As for that resolution itself, a google search only returns results that have Bat Ye'Or written all over it. Except maybe this one, according to which there wasn't a conference in Strassbourg that year.

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I know the EU in didn't exist in the form it does now. Bat Yor is for the full 100% fully sourced by the way, there isn't a hint of a claim she was forced to take back. That you won't find it on your quality media doesn't really surprise me, they are kinda silent about the Euro Stability Mechanism they are going to fistfuck us as well.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

There is nothing passive about Europe's immigration policy. There is even a quotum on how many immigrants are supposed to wash up here. Also check out EAD if you think I don't know my stuff.

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Ah, you do not know the term. Figures. My question then, is this:

How can you claim to possess a deeper knowledge(one few people are aware of) of the policies of the mid-east in the 70's, when you do not even know about the very basic policies of that time period?

"Positive Neutrality", by the way, is the term given to Nasser's policy(no idea why it hasn't been called "the Nasser Doctrine") that he would cooperate with both blocs, but align himself with none of the two. It was a policy he actively tried to spread among the third world(third world refers to non-aligned countries), and he did manage to spread it to quite a few countries, most important among those is probably the Ba'ath movement.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Bat Yor is for the full 100% fully sourced by the way, there isn't a hint of a claim she was forced to take back.

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That means nothing. You never take back anything, yet you are wrong all the time.

For those in this thread that minimizes or otherwise deflects the issue of immigrants raping children, ponder on this.

A childs life was ruined. Never to be the same again. I have personal experience of this. It never goes away and causes emotional and psychological problems that manifest long after the event. This isn't some academic exercise in a third rate debating society. It's reality.

Hang your heads in shame.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

That means nothing. You never take back anything, yet you are wrong all the time.

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Can't just decide I am wrong, I would have to say something that isn't true to be wrong. This is the first time you heard about the Euro Stability System by the way isn't it

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For those in this thread that minimizes or otherwise deflects the issue of immigrants raping children, ponder on this.

A childs life was ruined. Never to be the same again. I have personal experience of this. It never goes away and causes emotional and psychological problems that manifest long after the event. This isn't some academic exercise in a third rate debating society. It's reality.

Hang your heads in shame.

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Nonsense.

No it's not, I've heard and read about it in quality media ~;)

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

For those in this thread that minimizes or otherwise deflects the issue of immigrants raping children, ponder on this.

A childs life was ruined. Never to be the same again. I have personal experience of this. It never goes away and causes emotional and psychological problems that manifest long after the event. This isn't some academic exercise in a third rate debating society. It's reality.

Hang your heads in shame.

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Maybe I've missed a post or two, but I don't recall that anyone here said that child rape isn't bad or anything of the sort. That's not the issue that people are disagreeing with you about.

How about you hang your head in shame for making such a low accusation?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Can't just decide I am wrong, I would have to say something that isn't true to be wrong. This is the first time you heard about the Euro Stability System by the way isn't it

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It's a new time for the both of you then; it's Krazilec's first encounter with a random crackpoot theory, and it's your first encounter with basic knowledge. You should do a dance together!

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Nonsense.

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Sure he is just making it up to rain redicule on your cranbeary meatballs.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

It's a new time for the both of you then; it's Krazilec's first encounter with a random crackpoot theory, and it's your first encounter with basic knowledge. You should do a dance together!

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My older brother believes in a lot of crackpot theories, and actively tries to convert everyone he knows, me included. It caused a lot of fights in our family; nowadays we usually manage to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Sure he is just making it up to rain redicule on your cranbeary meatballs.

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The appeal to emotions is nonsensical, as I know he would disregard it as "not his problem" if anyone pointed out the massive amounts of abuse and hardship many/most immigrants will be subject to if thrown out of Europe. Like Somali street kids, for example, the group most commonly wanted out of Norway.

People expect me to cry a river over a couple of europeans who get abused, yetthey care absolutely nothing about the tons of somalians who live in hellish conditions.

In short, such an appeal to emotion is pathetic, and more suited to a 15-year old.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

My older brother believes in a lot of crackpot theories, and actively tries to convert everyone he knows, me included. It caused a lot of fights in our family; nowadays we usually manage to agree to disagree.

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It's perfectly documented, or did your brother claim it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

No it's not, I've heard and read about it in quality media ~;)




Maybe I've missed a post or two, but I don't recall that anyone here said that child rape isn't bad or anything of the sort. That's not the issue that people are disagreeing with you about.

How about you hang your head in shame for making such a low accusation?

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This is an issue of immigration because the perpertrators all all immigrants - without our current immigration policies these men would not be here, or would have been forcefully integrated.

The point is - you have unintegrated immigrants in the UK and these immigrants are targeting the native white girls as "other" and basically less than human.

In that context, HoreTore's handwringing alternating with denial looks pretty pathetic.

Nobody's claiming we don't have native perverts - but we have managed to import this particular kind of pervert from outside.