The Castration of Boxing

I can't resist:

You're right Vuk, everything was better in the past. people in the past were better at things than people now who have more time and better support to train for something specific.

We should have an org reunion, but instead of drinking and meeting one another, we can have Kumate. I can host, but in the interest of preventing cheating, I insist that all fighters fight naked

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Originally Posted by Vuk

Don't tell me that spending 10-14 hours a day for a few weeks a year splitting hardword to burn during the winter with a 12lb maul, starting when you were just a wee child is not going to teach you something about hitting hard and fast. Don't tell me that spending 12+ hours a day digging and hauling rocks for two months to fix a septic tank, get rid of an old leech field, and put in a new one is not going to build better core strength than training 1-2 hours a day at a gym.
Don't tell me that carrying huge field stones around all day is not going to build better full body strength than working for 1-2 hours in the gym.

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You are of course correct. it will in particular be giving a lot more stamina, something very important in boxing and not something you pick up by strength training in a gym.

And since we all know that all the training boxers do is 1-2 hour strength training in gyms, we see the result in that they barely last one round.

That professional boxers would spend most of thier days training everything needed for boxing is a proposterous idea.

I think Capitalism ruined it, they're simply making a lot more money now. Switch to Communism and you can have the government return the sport to a true art form.

This is because socialist/communist governments subsidize the true arts while capitalist inverstors only care about making money. Gloves make more money because the girls can watch it, too. Or in other words, the market obviously demanded that boxers wear gloves, if you have a problem with that, you've obviously got a problem with market economics.

Also never forget to consider the monetary aspect!

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I'll take your petty insults seriously Cent when you become team leader Seal Team six or any of the other absurd accomplishments you mentioned.
And for your information dollophead, when I first tried to join the military, I was not fat at all. I was rejected because of a genetic condition that was completely beyond my control. That has nothing to do with fitness or training.
I know though, you were an amateur boxer, so that makes you an expert. You were one of thousands of flabby idiots with no form and no skill who exhausted themselves by the second round throwing ineffective punches at each other for the sake of further degrading the sport of boxing and giving themselves hardons. Sorry for doubting you Mr. Pacquiao.

And to repeat myself (since you obviously did not read my post), I was not arguing that farmers are better fighters than professional athletes. I said that 100+ years ago when people did a lot of hard work since they were young (farm work being just one example of that), they had a lot better base to then go on and be athletes, then kids who grow up in the ghetto hanging out on the side of the street, or who sit in their 300k+ house playing Playstation as kids.

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I don't walk around suggesting we institute a draft and place focus in military training on bayonet training like yourself. Lol I'm a flabby idiot now I guess. Coming from a boy who has said he is 300 plus pounds and is probably in no position to call anyone flabby.... so forgive me if I don't take that very seriously. Golden Gloves is a more serious competition than anything you have ever been involved in in the course of your entire life.

So now people are inferior if their houses are worth more than 300k? I never thought you would disrespect an individual based on their monetary status or that of their parents but I guess you would after all, disappointing. You know what athletes do now? They train for their respective sports. I started boxing when I was ten as a birthday present from my father (it was not requested) andkept going because I displayed a basic aptitude. I started playing football and basketball from about the age of 7 or 8. I started lifting weights when I was reaching 13 or 14 and parents allowed me too. As soon as I hit high school I started taking supplements and taking in absurd amounts of calories.

At the end of the day Vuk you know nothing about any sports, you know nothing about the human body, you know nothing about the nature of the athlete in the 21st century, and you sure as hell don't know anything about boxing.

You are right however.... Boxing is a joke and has been for quite a long time. Your "solution" is absurd though.

Edit: The absolute absurdity of someone saying an actual boxer, even amateur who has received any training has no skill when he himself bases his knowledge of boxing on youtube clips of fat rednecks in backyards fighting (a number of which I suspect mr. vuk has submitted) and barroom brawls at the family reunion (aka his town bar)

Vuk knows what he is talking about guys. As he is typing out his boxing thesis, he wears his "Insanity Workout" T-Shirt and is about to finish his last week of P90X.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Vuk knows what he is talking about guys. As he is typing out his boxing thesis, he wears his "Insanity Workout" T-Shirt and is about to finish his last week of P90X.

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P90X doesnt involve enough farmwork or marines stabbing things with bayonets to interest The vuk

Man, you guys are just downright meanies.

Please stop the personal attacks, gentlemen. You don't want me to knock you all out with a blink of my left eye. Yes, I'm that awesome.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Please stop the personal attacks, gentlemen. You don't want me to knock you all out with a blink of my left eye. Yes, I'm that awesome.

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Did you train on a farm?

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

Did you train on a farm?

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Yes, but it didn't field good. After an hour of work, I suffered from so many acres and payins that I called the crops to get me out of there.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Yes, but it didn't field good. After an hour of work, I suffered from so many acres and payins that I called the crops to get me out of there.

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Did the horticopter have to fly you to the hosiptal?

These puns are amaizeing.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The padding in MMA gloves is mostly positioned by the knuckles to dissipate the majority of the force.

You punch harder with boxing gloves on. You are lying.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

UFC fighters often still break their hands, there's been talk about switching to heavier gloves for years. Boxers still break their hands too, although not as often.

Your head is pretty solid, guys. It can take a hit. The gloves are for the hands.

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Were just a few of the posts. Everyone on the thread was either arguing that less padding=less damage or were agreeing with them.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

You're not only a liar, you're also an idiot.

Life must be taxing

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Can we seriously just do some kind of big orgah me(a)tup and have our own fight club? I call dibs on Vuk. Then strike and I get to give Turkish Oil Wrasslin' a go.

I say we just cut to the chase and screw

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We should start a third thread for that

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The padding in MMA gloves is mostly positioned by the knuckles to dissipate the majority of the force.

You punch harder with boxing gloves on. You are lying.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

UFC fighters often still break their hands, there's been talk about switching to heavier gloves for years. Boxers still break their hands too, although not as often.

Your head is pretty solid, guys. It can take a hit. The gloves are for the hands.

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Were just a few of the posts. Everyone on the thread was either arguing that less padding=less damage or were agreeing with them.

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Let's see.

• StfS says that the padding in UFC gloves is placed to protect the striker's hands rather than to protect the strikee's head, and that strikes with gloves on are harder than with gloves off. No mention of the weight of the gloves having any effect on the force of the punch, just presence vs. absence.
• GC says that UFC fighters (with lighter gloves) break their hands more often than boxers, so heavier gloves provide more hand protection, and mentions talk of the UFC switching to heavier gloves, presumably to provide more protection. No mention of harder hits with more padding.

Can you find any actual instances of people in the thread claiming heavier gloves allow harder hits, or only more instances of people saying heavier gloves provide more protection?

Ajax

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

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Originally Posted by rvg

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

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Go rewatch the first few UFCs.

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Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

Let's see.

• StfS says that the padding in UFC gloves is placed to protect the striker's hands rather than to protect the strikee's head, and that strikes with gloves on are harder than with gloves off. No mention of the weight of the gloves having any effect on the force of the punch, just presence vs. absence.
• GC says that UFC fighters (with lighter gloves) break their hands more often than boxers, so heavier gloves provide more hand protection, and mentions talk of the UFC switching to heavier gloves, presumably to provide more protection. No mention of harder hits with more padding.

Can you find any actual instances of people in the thread claiming heavier gloves allow harder hits, or only more instances of people saying heavier gloves provide more protection?

Ajax

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SFTS was responding to my post where I said that a punch with a UFC glove had a greater effect on someone than a punch with an 18oz boxing glove. Strike's post was disputing that and calling me a liar. His post was obviously, when context is considered, not saying that a punch with a boxing glove is more powerful than a bare-fisted strike, but is more powerful than one with a UFC glove. (and in his limited mind, more power=more effect)

Also, what as the point of GC's post if not to say that heavier gloves are more effective because even the UFC is thinking of switching to them?
If you re-read my first post, I said that the sport of boxing should start using hand wraps and light protection (such as a layer of leather) instead of heavy gloves, so that boxing becomes more similar to bareknuckle boxing. My prescription was not to use the naked hand, but to use lighter protection to make it more similar to the naked hand. I only prescribed the naked hand for people training boxing for self-defense. The whole discussion about the effectiveness of the naked hand came about because I said that someone from the 1800s who trained with the naked fist would be able to defeat a modern boxer in a real fight.

At least half of the argument of this thread was over the advantages or disadvantages of heavy or lighter gloves, and everyone came down against me in the argument. Maybe you should reread the thread.

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Originally Posted by rvg

Let's just replace boxing with pankration. While we're at it, let's relax the rules a bit (we can call it Extreme Pankration) and allow biting and eye gouging. That should be fun.

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Hey, I got nothing against pankration, but it is not boxing. I am talking about the sport of boxing.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

UFC 1 is mandatory viewing for anyone who's interested in Martial Arts. Every fight is a classic, and some of them are downright absurd.

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Hey now GC, don't tell me you like bloodsports! :O Funny that when I talked about a version of boxing that would still have many more rules than UFC 1 did, everyone thought it was horrible, yet the love the UFC1 where many more things are allowed.