IKEA mafia [Concluded]

resistance to gh wagon double-noted

Random.org says vote: atheotes

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Oh hai Punisher

What do you think of Raith's vote on you? Do you think he's been a very naughty boy and deserves some kind of behaviorally-triggered negative consequence?

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A [wiki=Two_Bad_Neighbors]spanking[/wiki] might be in order.

Fixing link for reference: spankings.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

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What kind of promise do you mean?

resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED

Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

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Originally Posted by Sooh

GH (1)

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*explodes*

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Originally Posted by Sooh

AdmiralKleenex (1)

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*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Why are there two votes on Atpg and not 12 on gh?

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finished your thought

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

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Because the mafia is particularly suicidal this game.

Well, except for Visor. He's townish.

Vote: Jarema

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Originally Posted by Jarema

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

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The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.

Vote: Jarema

@Pizza

your post was lacking something, figured I'd what you were missing:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally [i]know[i] that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of
them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?

Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

also GH is probably a wolf

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?

Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

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it was written by a man named CPHoya on 2+2

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Originally Posted by Visor

it was written by a man named CPHoya on 2+2

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Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

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no

but there will be a lot of people who write a lot of useless text

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

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Just a negative tonal reaction to your posts on the last page.

Vote: Pizza



Ohmigodusuck

Why does Al Sipsclar replicate Visor's votes?

Why not everyone?

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Originally Posted by Visor

also GH is probably a wolf

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Visor is town.

Player list:
1. Askthepizzaguy - town
2. AdmiralKleenex - town
3. Jarema - wolf
4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game
5. atheotes - null
6. BSmith - town by RNG
7. Al Sipsclar - town
8. Double A - null
9. GeneralHankerchief - wolf
10. Seireikhaan - mild wolf lean for using i instead of y on omygodyousuck, clearly faking over the top reaction to make it seem like he doen't care
11. johnhughthom - town by RNG
12. Visor - town
13. edse - null
14. Choxorn - nulll
15. Punisher - null
16. Raith Kemmler - town
17. Golden1Knight - null

i don't know why i did this, but enjoy

that post feels weird

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

that post feels weird

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if it feels really early and out of the blue thats because it is

I don't see how you can so easily conclude i am town and gh is a wolf, for example.

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

I don't see how you can so easily conclude i am town and gh is a wolf, for example.

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Because I didn't like GH's early posts and if he is a wolf you are a villager. And your early posts were okay too.

They're just snapreads.

anyway lynch gh imo

vote: jarrrrrrrrrrrema

Do you seriously think that GH is mafia?

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Originally Posted by Visor

Do you seriously think that GH is mafia?

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why are you asking double a?

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

why are you asking double a?

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i am asking you

visor, this is a matter of honor. There can only be one, and I will be that one.

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Originally Posted by Visor

4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game

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*note to self: must look scummier*

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Originally Posted by Visor

seriously

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

double a?

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*Does not compute*
*system error*
*required memory purge*
*proceed y/n?*

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

visor, this is a matter of honor. There can only be one, and I will be that one.

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do you legitimately have a wolf read on GH or are you just mucking around?

It's a wannabe-GH speaking about honour. That impostor, usurper. Cannot be serious.

We should table this discussion for later.

Because…?

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Originally Posted by Visor

do you legitimately have a wolf read on GH or are you just mucking around?

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idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

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Why not?

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Originally Posted by Visor

The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.

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Oh come on. You are better than this.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

Oh come on. You are better than this.

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what kind of defence is this?

A passive aggressive one Vote: Jarema

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, johnhughthom, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

Hey Jarema:

1) Your opening post directed at me sucked

2) Your vote on Visor really sucks, because he's an obvious villager.

3) Last chance to act like a townie this game. Go.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Vote: Jarema

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Al rising up the villager ranks based on this vote switch. I don't find that scumbags are so cooperative with vague suspicions when they've already placed a vote, especially given the short time frame between those two poasts.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Hey Jarema:

1) Your opening post directed at me sucked

2) Your vote on Visor really sucks, because he's an obvious villager.

3) Last chance to act like a townie this game. Go.

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How am I an obvious villager?

Why did you read me town earlier when I had only posted once and it was a vote for you?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Al rising up the villager ranks based on this vote switch. I don't find that scumbags are so cooperative with vague suspicions when they've already placed a vote, especially given the short time frame between those two poasts.

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I agree on this, regardless of Jaremas alignment.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Why does Al Sipsclar replicate Visor's votes?

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You can't spell replicate Visor's votes without Sipsclar.

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Originally Posted by Visor

How am I an obvious villager?

Why did you read me town earlier when I had only posted once and it was a vote for you?

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I used the force. The force is strong with me this game.

I really don't want to oppose the Jarema wagon, so let me think of who needs to die on day two.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I used the force. The force is strong with me this game.

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sorry bub, i'm the only soulreader in this game

But seriously, voting you there is something I would do in either alignment and you know that, so I have to ask, why did you village read me for it?

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Originally Posted by Visor

vote: atpg

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Townish Visor

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: AdmiralKleenex

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

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Assuming GH and AK-Zack are both villagers is a risky bet at this stage. I don't want to take such a bet, especially given how neither one is especially villagery so far. Plus, the random gods never lie. someone inside my 5 shot is scum, and someone is a villager. (<---Duh, play the odds much pizza)

Assuming they're both woofs, would mean the woof team is exactly Jarema, Zack, and GH. Kind of a craptastic opening round from this team if that's the case.

Way too many words: I'd be willing to lynch inside of AK and GH on day two.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

Vote: Punisher

No one with that stereotypical a name could have a screw loose like a real, properly sat in butt warmer.

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Can't clear Raith for this post using my brain. But the force says he's probably innocent.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

vote: ATPG

Anyone got an Allen wrench? I think I've got a screw loose.

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I was all set to vote for the peoples voting for me after my OP, but they both look really good right now, and their votes directed at me felt villagery.

At this point, as you're reading this, someone will think that this is classic scum pizza buttering up the village by declaring with infinite wisdom and PIS how villagery the village is. Congratulations, you're wrong. But I'd totally do this, so you're right. Except you're still also wrong.

I'm onto you! I know how your paranoid brain works, generic other villagers!

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

hardclaim Swedish meatball

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Is it a spicy meatball?

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

Agreed.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

ps navy > army

pps kleenex > handkerchief

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

resistance to gh wagon noted

#wagonomics

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Corporal Capeman would totally own both of you, by the way. First, he's a marine, secondly, he's got a frickin' cape. That's way more surface area to wipe one's schnoz on.

Zack with the very active opening. No bet.

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Originally Posted by Jarema

vote: Visorslash

Pizza, why are you making false promises?

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Vote one person for no raisin while addressing another is often mafia.

Next pg

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Assuming GH and AK-Zack are both villagers is a risky bet at this stage. I don't want to take such a bet, especially given how neither one is especially villagery so far

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This part of your post smells decidedly wolfy.

You don't want to take a bet on something like that when it is basically 75% * 75% that they are both villagers? Weird wording. Smells like setting up a mislynch.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

*explodes*

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

finished your thought

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This just in: You can only multiquote 6 posts at a time, then it starts de-selecting it automatically.

Good jerb

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Originally Posted by Visor

This part of your post smells decidedly wolfy.

You don't want to take a bet on something like that when it is basically 75% * 75% that they are both villagers? Weird wording. Smells like setting up a mislynch.

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Your brain is farting loudly rite now.

Shhh and lynch Jarrema and GH.

Seriously Pizza, explain how you town read me for something which is completely not alignment indicative, and more importantly that you know is such?

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

resistance to gh wagon double-noted

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I don't think Zack does this to GH on d1 as w/w because of how terrible it is. And risky given our group contains a lot of villagers who might wander in and give it 2 second's thought and go OTAY and vote GH.

Unless GH is about to leave for vacation and feels crap about subbing out, this bus doesn't happen. PS it would still be a stupid move and Zack doesn't play stupid moves.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Random.org says vote: atheotes

A [wiki=Two_Bad_Neighbors]spanking[/wiki] might be in order.

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Meh.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Fixing link for reference: spankings.

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Meh.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What kind of promise do you mean?

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Ok, this guy is definitely a townie. I like the cut of his jib.

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

resistance to gh wagon is OUT OF CONTROL INFINITY-NOTED

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Would lynch Zack if GH is town. Would give Zack the first shot.

^Scummy thing for me to say. Vote: Pizza even though I'm lick lack lock lØk låk clear, and definitely way clearer than even Visorslash. Yes, even Visorslash. And votes for me would be utter garbage and you can do better, yes, khaan can do better and move his vote because I'm afraid the worst day one of all time might repeat itself despite the current wagon totals.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Votecount:

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Double A, Seireikhaan, johnhughthom, edse, Choxorn, Punisher, Golden1Knight

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A random smattering of village reads.

The green is very weak in this context, it merely means that if the person voting for you is a wolf, you're a villager until final 9, or whatever is LOL-1 round depending on who dies.

For example, GH doesn't look that villagery at all so far but if AK was scum, then he'd be okay. Of the two, AK looks better. Atheotes is a big fat null.

Don't like Barto, Jarema can die in a fire, would lynch GH or one of the non-voters that isn't colored in blue.

Why Punisher blue, Pizza?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

THE FORCE SAYS SO.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Seriously Pizza, explain how you town read me for something which is completely not alignment indicative, and more importantly that you know is such?

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Ugh, do you want to examine this even further?

How many turbos and games have I played where I have placed myself in a position of reading someone's alignment based on trivia or nothing? Hell, I strongly scum-read someone once for being one of three non-posters. Specifically that player, too, not the other two.

Right now, I have a dead to rights villager in the non-poster pile.

You want me to explain that? I can't. I'm not going to do so. There's absolutely nothing I could possibly say that could make anyone ever come around to understanding how I do that.

I'm dropping that subject Visor, pursue it at our mutual peril.

Continuing ON

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Ugh, do you want to examine this even further?

How many turbos and games have I played where I have placed myself in a position of reading someone's alignment based on trivia or nothing? Hell, I strongly scum-read someone once for being one of three non-posters. Specifically that player, too, not the other two.

Right now, I have a dead to rights villager in the non-poster pile.

You want me to explain that? I can't. I'm not going to do so. There's absolutely nothing I could possibly say that could make anyone ever come around to understanding how I do that.

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Well, I beat ya there, I have two villagers in the non posting pile. :p

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

*explodes*

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It's the mildest of the mild, because it's Zack, but I want to believe he is enjoying the game on this level because he's a villager.

But I'm sure he could replicate it.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

*does a way cooler and more memorable explosion*

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Gonan lynch GH d2.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Why are there two votes on Atpg?

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Don't trust El Barto, gonan lynch him d3. Haha just kidding I'll be dead by then I suck pepperoni.

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

finished your thought

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Because the mafia is particularly suicidal this game.

Well, except for Visor. He's townish.

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Was hoping I'd actually draw more voters toward me here. That's what the bolded was about.

They have a tendency to attack villagers who cannot possibly counterattack all their accusers at once. Plus votes moved off of me

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Originally Posted by Visor

Vote: Jarema

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Force read of villager on Visor here became a legit one with this and his follow up.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Well, I beat ya there, I have two villagers in the non posting pile. :p

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Yeah but mine is my n0 so he's kind of making this #awkward

j/k I don't have peeks and certainly not n0 ones.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Oh hai Punisher

What do you think of Raith's vote on you? Do you think he's been a very naughty boy and deserves some kind of behaviorally-triggered negative consequence?

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Yes. Yes I do. It was completely out of line.


Also, I concur with atpg's read on Visor, and Visor's read on Jarrema (not as strongly as they do).

vote: Jarrema

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

idk how you could legitimately have a wolf read on anyone at this point

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atpg, i want your thoughts on this post in particular

because it basically stopped my village read of zack dead in its tracks

(and IMO, the jokes between gh and zack could easily be w/w especially because zack will surely find a different focus later today, and I can't even remember if GH is voting zack)

It's in order but not consecutively
Why you never lynch Visor
And why you lynch Jarema and then never lynch Al if Jarema is scum

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Originally Posted by Visor

The tone of this post is completely off for town Jarrema.

Lynch him with great prejudice.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

Vote: Jarema

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Originally Posted by Visor

@Pizza

your post was lacking something, figured I'd what you were missing:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*SNIP*

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Originally Posted by Visor

Player list:
1. Askthepizzaguy - town
2. AdmiralKleenex - town
3. Jarema - wolf
4. El Barto - town by posting something relevant to the game
5. atheotes - null
6. BSmith - town by RNG
7. Al Sipsclar - town
8. Double A - null
9. GeneralHankerchief - wolf
10. Seireikhaan - mild wolf lean for using i instead of y on omygodyousuck, clearly faking over the top reaction to make it seem like he doen't care
11. johnhughthom - town by RNG
12. Visor - town
13. edse - null
14. Choxorn - nulll
15. Punisher - null
16. Raith Kemmler - town
17. Golden1Knight - null

i don't know why i did this, but enjoy

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Originally Posted by Visor

if it feels really early and out of the blue thats because it is

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Originally Posted by Visor

sorry bub, i'm the only soulreader in this game

But seriously, voting you there is something I would do in either alignment and you know that, so I have to ask, why did you village read me for it?

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Blue: even scum Visor doesn't replicate this train of thought which is less a train and more like a teleportation device, because it's all over the place and doesn't indicate an agenda. Yes, even scum Visor. This read is null in future games.

And Al, because Jarema looks like he blundered legit and I want to see him flip barring some major development today. Then if scum Al is good.

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Originally Posted by Punisher

Yes. Yes I do. It was completely out of line.

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Meh!

Mostly I just wanted you guys to attack each other for my own data collection purposes. AORN I think you're both fine.

Just telling you where I'm at.

Punisher let's be mason buddies this game. I promise I will never vote you and vice-versa.

I was gonan invite Visor to be my mason buddy but he's unfortunately spewed himself never my mason buddy, he could only be my peek

U suck visor

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I was gonan invite Visor to be my mason buddy but he's unfortunately spewed himself never my mason buddy, he could only be my peek

U suck visor

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masons suck

i didn't want to be a part of your masonry anyway >:(

#openlymasoning

Vote: Admiral Kleenex

Thats not your name.

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn, Golden1Knight

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Vote: Admiral Kleenex

Thats not your name.

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you know i never thought about it like that

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Is that a copypasta or did you write that all yourself?
Because if it's the latter then you have my unquestioning vote for, like, at least a couple phases.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Ugh, please tell me that's not what I have to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Why do you think I'm probably scum?

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Don't like any of this. The first one is bad on its own and the middle one is also possibly bad. The third one is a normal question, but the timing of it feels bad. Before this turns into a tunnel I will just say I can be wrong. I'm not there yet where I absolutely must rip out GH's barely-beating old heart and stomp all over it. But at the same time, his opening feels really weak to me this game, self-conscious, and he doesn't feel engaged. It feels like he's standing back waiting for townies to screw up, imo.

#secretlymasoning
#itsasecrettoeverybody